Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[MirageBlue]

The first IAF Rafale single seater, BS003

image credit in the pics

 

[BON PLAN]

 

[BON PLAN]

 

[Constantin84]

@BON PLAN I have a noob question....Is the F3R just a software upgrade or it needs general restructure of the air frame?

How much will it cost France to upgrade all its 144 F3's to F3r standard and how long ?

Obviously, if anyone else in here has answers to these questions, pls don't hesitate.
Thank you

 

[BON PLAN]

@BON PLAN I have a noob question....Is the F3R just a software upgrade or it needs general restructure of the air frame?

How much will it cost France to upgrade all its 144 F3's to F3r standard and how long ?

Obviously, if anyone else in here has answers to these questions, pls don't hesitate.
Thank you

Hi !
F3R is mainly a software update, with some new loads cleared (Talios pod, but eased by the fact that it use the same frame than previous Damocles pod, Meteor... )

It's only with the F4 standart that the older Rafale will be limited to F4.1, because it needs new hardware, when the newer one will be cleared to F4.2. All the export models are "newer" ones, except may be the Egypt ones.

F3R costs 800€ millions to french army.
F4 will cost 2 € billions. F4 is a more ambitious evolution than F3R, with sat link, a more evolved "private" data link than L16, new IFF, more radar modes, new optronic suite, maybe a new AESA antenna, wider band Spectra, new and cheaper AASM "Hammer", MICA NG, sustain of M88.... and some RCS refinements.

 

[BON PLAN]

Good news for Indians, and not really for some others....

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2...Flights_for_Indian_Rafale_Pilots#.Xp2ozsgzbct

 

[BON PLAN]

For those who think Rafale can't fly with 4 Meteor....

 

[Ali_Baba]

For those who think Rafale can't fly with 4 Meteor....

But still a lot less than the Typhoon can !!!!

 

[BON PLAN]

But still a lot less than the Typhoon can !!!!

The point 3 under the wings remain free. It is possible to add MICA or Meteor there.
And the option to use a pylon with 2 missiles, like the US, remains a solution.

But is it usefull? Since 1980, I'm quite sure that no fighter fired more than 2 AA missiles in a single mission. May be I'm wrong, and I will be interested in your answers, all.

 

[MirageBlue]

But still a lot less than the Typhoon can !!!!

4 Meteor missiles is more than adequate, given the range and the NEZ that the Meteor has. 2 Rafale fighters with 8 Meteor missiles plus 4 MICA-IR missiles would be deadly on CAP, OCA or even DCA missions.

 

[Armchair]

@BON PLAN is a hilarious person who claims Indian M-2Ks on CAP, that too after IAF bombing of Pak territory, were not armed with a2a missiles. There has to be a ban for people who are too patriotic. Ruins the level of the forum.

 

[BON PLAN]

@BON PLAN is a hilarious person who claims Indian M-2Ks on CAP, that too after IAF bombing of Pak territory, were not armed with a2a missiles. There has to be a ban for people who are too patriotic. Ruins the level of the forum.

@Armchair is writing fake news.
I have never write that.
I just say that it is possible that these M2000, JUST BEFORE or DURING the pak attack, may be not equipped with AtoA missiles.
Why? because AtoA missile have a quite short life under wings, so you have to preserve it in peace time.

I never wrote "AFTER IAF Bombing".

It is a pure fake news. You are reported for that.

 

[BON PLAN]

some details about F4 standart

Since the entry date is anticipated by one year.

Rafale and GaN technology

Thales and the DGA are actively preparing the future radar developments that will be introduced on Standard F4.2, incorporating cutting-edge Gallium Nitride (GaN) technology for the radar and jammer antennas. Thanks to additional radar apertures, detection capabilities will be unmatched and electronic attack capabilities will become a reality. The programme director explained: “Even though we are entirely satisfied with the current RBE2 AESA radar, we are already working on the next generation scheduled to appear on new-build aircraft in 2025. “For the same volume, GaN technology will offer an expanded bandwidth, more radiated power and an even easier ability to switch from one mode to another, or from one functionality to another. With the same antenna, we will be capable of generating combined, interleaved radar, jamming and electronic warfare modes as part of an electronic attack mission. “GaN emitters will not be restricted to the radar and they will also equip the Spectra suite.

For example, for the antennas in the wing apexes, ahead of the canard foreplanes, we could obtain a very quick emission/reception cycle, either saving some volume or augmenting radiated power. On Tranche 5 Rafales, we will have at our disposal twice the amount of transmitted power for the radar and jamming antennas. Thales has already produced and tested in laboratories a series of GaN module prototypes for the new radar and initial testing results look extremely promising. “Following the entry into service of the AESA in 2013, the deliveries of the Meteor in 2018 will push the Rafale into a class of its own – we will be the only ones in the world operating a fighter equipped with an AESA and a ramjet-propelled missile – but we have to keep investing to maintain our leadership.

This is the reason why this GaN technological path is so important, especially for the development of additional emitting panels and apertures that will offer extended radar angular coverage. “It is not just an improvement; it is a real technological breakthrough in the field of detection. Jamming modes will not be left untouched and will push the Rafale’s electronic warfare capabilities to unprecedented levels thanks to the introduction of what we call ‘smart jamming’, with a wider band coverage and GaN emitters from 2025. These capabilities will be further expanded thanks to the adoption of MFAs [Multi-Function Arrays].” The Rafale’s Front Sector Optronics (FSO) will be fitted with a new-generation infrared search and track (IRST) sensor optimised for the tracking of air targets, either alone, or in conjunction with the RBE2 radar.

 

[MirageBlue]

@Armchair is writing fake news.
I have never write that.
I just say that it is possible that these M2000, JUST BEFORE or DURING the pak attack, may be not equipped with AtoA missiles.
Why? because AtoA missile have a quite short life under wings, so you have to preserve it in peace time.

I never wrote "AFTER IAF Bombing".

It is a pure fake news. You are reported for that.

Mirage-2000Is that escorted the Mirage-2000H fighters that were carrying Spice-2000 and Crystal Maze missiles were armed with 6 MICA missiles each.

And obviously they were expecting something to happen in the days following Feb 26th, so all fighters on CAP were armed with live missiles.

 

[BON PLAN]

Mirage-2000Is that escorted the Mirage-2000H fighters that were carrying Spice-2000 and Crystal Maze missiles were armed with 6 MICA missiles each.

And obviously they were expecting something to happen in the days following Feb 26th, so all fighters on CAP were armed with live missiles.

We were not speaking of these M2000, but those on the air when the Pak made their attack.