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[dbc]

No MICA was fired 27th february.

So how many aircraft has the MICA shot down?
Answer a big 0
Why were no MICA's fired on the 27th of Feb? Two Mirage 2000's were on CAP but they did not engage.
The IAF chief admitted the IAF were at a disadvantage against the AMRAAM so MICA isn't competitive against AMRAAM

American missiles (AIM's and AMRAAMs) have blown over two dozen Mirages out of the sky and you boast about 1 accidental kill by a French missile - desperate much?

 

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So how many aircraft has the MICA shot down?
Answer a big 0
Why were no MICA's fired on the 27th of Feb? Two Mirage 2000's were on CAP but they did not engage.
The IAF chief admitted the IAF were at a disadvantage against the AMRAAM so MICA isn't competitive against AMRAAM

American missiles (AIM's and AMRAAMs) have blown over two dozen Mirages out of the sky and you boast about 1 accidental kill by a French missile - desperate much?

No MICA was fired maybe because these M2000 were not equipped? How many M2000 were uptated by the so famous HAL by that time? 2? 3? ....

Some US fighters were shotted down by french missile during the Iran-Irak war, including F5, F4, even F14... another accidental kills ?

Mirage 2000 : 1 / F16 : 0

so have a nice beer, have a sleep and come again when no more brain ill, my sweet small head think tank.

 

[dbc]

No MICA was fired maybe because these M2000 were not equipped? How many M2000 were uptated by the so famous HAL by that time? 2? 3? ....

Some US fighters were shotted down by french missile during the Iran-Irak war, including F5, F4, even F14... another accidental kills ?

Mirage 2000 : 1 / F16 : 0

so have a nice beer, have a sleep and come again when no more brain ill, my sweet small head think tank.

upgraded Mirages were flying CAP on 27th Feb, no point flying CAP without MICA. The MICA's on upgraded French Mirages were useless on the 27th of Feb..

Wait when were US fighters shot down by French AAMs? Source?

You mean US made fighters?

You say Iran-Iraq war, looks like the F-14's clubbed the Iraqi air force like baby seals.
120 reported kills for the Iranian F-14 Tomcats. Iraqi fighters jettison their ordnance and ran away. Exceptional surrender and run away skills - the Iraqi's were probably French trained!

When F-14s were sent up to do battle against the Iraqis, the deployment usually deterred the Iraqis from flying into that area for several weeks. One or two Iranian Tomcats could force a formation of Iraqi fighters to abort their mission or jettison their ordnance before reaching the target.

https://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/persian-cats-9242012/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iranian_aerial_victories_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war

negative rating for resorting to name calling ..good day man ami!

 

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upgraded Mirages were flying CAP on 27th Feb, no point flying CAP without MICA. The MICA's on upgraded French Mirages were useless on the 27th of Feb..

source please?
As the modernised Mirage are very few in the IAF inventory, I have a big doubt.
So give me source, or it will be another fake news.

Wait when were US fighters shot down by French AAMs? Source?

A Turkish F16D was fired by a Mirage 2000 with a Magic 2, during a air to air dog fight, in 1996

 

[dbc]

Turkish F16D is not a US Fighter - it is a US made fighter. The Greek Pilot admitted it was an accident he forgot his weapons were armed and personally apologized to the recovering F-16 GIB Cicekli in a Greek hospital . 2. The Turkish F-16 was not armed - no AAMs @cabatli_53

Shooting down an unarmed aircraft is not really a heroic act that should be commemorated as you seem to be doing. The Greek air force demoted the Mirage pilot to fly transport aircraft after that incident. Why do you think the Turks are pressing the courts to convict the Greek pilot for murder? Its because the F-16 was not armed, Greek and Turkish fighters routinely engaged in mock combat over the Aegean seas before this tragic incident.

A Turkish F16D was fired by a Mirage 2000 with a Magic 2, during a air to air dog fight, in 1996


source please?
As the modernised Mirage are very few in the IAF inventory, I have a big doubt.
So give me source, or it will be another fake news.

Two sources good enough?

@Windjammer can provide more if still unconvinced.

9:54 AM: Indian Air Force swings into action. IAF's MiG 21 Bisons, Sukhoi Su-30MKIs and Mirage 2000s are scrambled to intercept the incoming Pakistani fighter jets.

The MiG-21 that was shot down on Feb. 27, 2019, was part of a formation of eight Indian fighters which included four Sukhoi 30s, two upgraded Mirage 2000s and two MiG-21 Bisons that were dispatched to engage

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...-dogfight-minute-by-minute-1472548-2019-03-07

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-did-india-send-old-mig-21s-take-pakistans-f-16s-46162

Go wave your French flag on an Indian forum - only Indians will believe the nonsense you are peddling.

 

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You say Iran-Iraq war, looks like the F-14's clubbed the Iraqi air force like baby seals.
120 reported kills for the Iranian F-14 Tomcats. Iraqi fighters jettison their ordnance and ran away. Exceptional surrender and run away skills

Iraki F1 destroyed F4, F5 and at least one F14.

I know it's hard for a proud unbrained US citizen.

Turkish F16D is not a US Fighter - it is a US made fighter. The Greek Pilot admitted it was an accident he forgot his weapons were armed and personally apologized to the recovering F-16 GIB Cicekli in a Greek hospital . 2. The Turkish F-16 was not armed - no AAMs @cabatli_53

Shooting down an unarmed aircraft is not really a heroic act that should be commemorated as you seem to be doing. The Greek air force demoted the Mirage pilot to fly transport aircraft after that incident. Why do you think the Turks are pressing the courts to convict the Greek pilot for murder? Its because the F-16 was not armed, Greek and Turkish fighters routinely engaged in mock combat over the Aegean seas before this tragic incident.

LOL.
An accident..... incredible. He forgot his planned was armed

Are you so stupid?

Shooting down an unarmed aircraft is not really a heroic act that should be commemorated as you seem to be doing. The Greek air force demoted the Mirage pilot to fly transport aircraft after that incident. Why do you think the Turks are pressing the courts to convict the Greek pilot for murder? Its because the F-16 was not armed, Greek and Turkish fighters routinely engaged in mock combat over the Aegean seas before this tragic incident.

Turks are pressing the court for a die in a dog fight. OK...
What about a court for the hundreds and hundreds victims of the turkish armenian massacre ?

 

[ziaulislam]

No MICA was fired maybe because these M2000 were not equipped? How many M2000 were uptated by the so famous HAL by that time? 2? 3? ....

Some US fighters were shotted down by french missile during the Iran-Irak war, including F5, F4, even F14... another accidental kills ?

Mirage 2000 : 1 / F16 : 0

so have a nice beer, have a sleep and come again when no more brain ill, my sweet small head think tank.

Its a common knowledge that MICA is short to medium range missle and is easily outranged by both sd10 & aim120c. For some reason french refused meteor for miragea.
Print.in reported that mirage were having glitches

 

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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...-dogfight-minute-by-minute-1472548-2019-03-07

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-did-india-send-old-mig-21s-take-pakistans-f-16s-46162

NO EVIDENCE MIRAGE 2000 WERE CARRYING MICA !
NO EVIDENCE ANY MICA WAS FIRED.

(If a turkish F16, trying to violate the greek airspace, is supposed to be unarmed , why did an Indian M2000, not aware of a **** attack, be fully equipped ?)

Its a common knowledge that MICA is short to medium range missle and is easily outranged by both sd10 & aim120c. For some reason french refused meteor for miragea.
Print.in reported that mirage were having glitches

A drone was shooting down by a Taiwanese M2000 in 1997 at a range of 67km....

Meteor, as AASM Hammer, is marketingly dedicated to Rafale.

 

[ziaulislam]

Also i dont understand what indians are talking about meteor..
Not only do chinese have pl-15 in service for a very long time they are even teating PL-XX seen on multiple jets

PL XX is humnongous missle and probably just by looking at its size its range is >300km
Both are pulse rocket missles..seemingly the new norm which both the americans and chinese are moving towards

NO EVIDENCE MIRAGE 2000 WERE CARRYING MICA !
NO EVIDENCE ANY MICA WAS FIRED.

(If a turkish F16, trying to violate the greek airspace, is supposed to be unarmed , why did an Indian M2000, not aware of a **** attack, be fully equipped ?)


A drone was shooting down by a Taiwanese M2000 in 1997 at a range of 67km....

Meteor, as AASM Hammer, is marketingly dedicated to Rafale.

As i said the manufacturer states MICA is short range to medium range missle and is easily out ranges by both sd10&aim120?
What range a fighter hits a target depends upon numeeous kinetic parameters..
E.g was dronw flying towards or away the target..

Who are you or I to change MICA from short to medium range missle to a medium to long range missle..

Manufactuer is thinking to develop MICA NG thought to be a medium range missle

 

[dbc]

NO EVIDENCE MIRAGE 2000 WERE CARRYING MICA !

So the IAF sent the Mirage 2000 on Combat Air Patrol (CAP) without Air-to-Air missiles?
So what was the plan? The IAF Mirage 2000 - takes off, climbs to 20,000 ft and performs the famous French surrender maneuver?

It's like the Pugachev Cobra but you press the surrender button (standard on all French aircraft) at the apex to unfurl a white flag.

 

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Manufactuer is thinking to develop MICA NG thought to be a medium range missle

The main goal of MICA NG is less the range than the speed and the NEZ.

For longer range we already have Meteor.

Strange, you forgot the 1914 history.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The main goal of MICA NG is less the range than the speed and the NEZ.

For longer range we already have Meteor.


Strange, you forgot the 1914 history.

Did France win the 1914 one??

 

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Did France win the 1914 one??

YES, We won, with GB.
And the main burden was taken by france, then GB.
All the north of France, the industrialized part, was nearly destroyed. The fights never touched GB or Deutchland, only France and Belgium.
The level of destructions and deceases were so high that the french people enter in the WW2 without the correct fighting spirit. It was a deep but understanding error.

NB : the US help during WW1 was with few effects (they arrived late, and too few). It was totally different in WW2. But in WW2 the main burden was taken by Russia.

 

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So how many aircraft has the MICA shot down?
Answer a big 0
Why were no MICA's fired on the 27th of Feb? Two Mirage 2000's were on CAP but they did not engage.
The IAF chief admitted the IAF were at a disadvantage against the AMRAAM so MICA isn't competitive against AMRAAM

American missiles (AIM's and AMRAAMs) have blown over two dozen Mirages out of the sky and you boast about 1 accidental kill by a French missile - desperate much?

"None of the IAF MKIs and M-2000s were allowed to break RoE. Only Abhinandan broke it because his situation was unique enough that allowed him to break it, without permission"

https://www.******************/foru...-air-force-news-and-discussions.3/post-127199

 

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1240938746863734784

Indian Rafale production halted.