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[Abingdonboy]

@Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA @Blue Marlin

Hollande realized that he must hug the Modi to get the billions of €. Smart man. *
When billions of € and thousands of jobs depend on a hug.

*Abroad,not at home.

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Modi would never miss an opportunity for a good ol' hug.

A workoholic childless bachelor must get lonely

 

[Blue Marlin]

@Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA @Blue Marlin

Hollande realized that he must hug the Modi to get the billions of €. Smart man. *
When billions of € and thousands of jobs depend on a hug.

*Abroad,not at home.

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i think hollande needs to got back to india and give him a big hug to make sure he gets those billions
i could not find that weird pink bear you like so i thought this will do

 

[Abingdonboy]

i think hollande needs to got back to india and give him a big hug to make sure he gets those billions
i could not find that weird pink bear you like so i thought this will do

 

[Vergennes]

i think hollande needs to got back to india and give him a big hug to make sure he gets those billions
i could not find that weird pink bear you like so i thought this will do

I find surprising that someone wants to hug Hollande,in fact the average french would spit at his face.

Back ? Surel not ! I might regret the former president Sarkozy when France had incredibly warm and dynamic relations with all the emerging powers and powers of this world. India,Brazil,Russia... China...

Soon...

 

[Abingdonboy]

Back ? Surel not ! I might regret the former president Sarkozy when France had incredibly warm and dynamic relations with all the emerging powers and powers of this world. India,Brazil,Russia... China..

I'm sure Hollande has another Indian visit in him, India will make it worth his while.....

Soon...

How likely is this?

I always liked Sarkozy, he seemed good for Indian-French ties.

 

[Hellfire]

Indian bureaucracy has always been a hurdle or at least this is the impression i always get from you guys. But i thought with Modi things would be different. He was seen as a man of action.
India still enjoy conventional superiority over Pakistan by 3 or 4 to 1. With whats going on in Pakistan i doubt if these numbers are ever going to change in our favour.

True that. Bureaucracy has been a pain

The Indian strategic thinking (howsoever rudimentary it is) has shifted from Pakistan to China. Reason for it is the unsettled boundary dispute. The Pakistan 'threat' has been factored in as India is shifting it's focus to China. The Chinese pressure will be directly proportional to its thinking of achievement of synergistic economic-military development. As the socio-economic development occurred, the thrust on modernizing the armed forces came to fore. The Chinese military today feels confident of asserting its claims militarily in South China Sea. Their recent incursions into Indian side can be seen in the wider context of sending message to India to keep clear of SCS ..... something that will only push India to increase a co-ordinated response with others in region. The present governments game plan is of a longer term, what remains to be seen is the execution. There are things occurring off the radar, which do not find mention in the mainstream media. An overhaul of the system is occurring, but too much time is being spent on staving off controversies created by idiots from the saffron brigade.

About China. You are free of that issue for now due to the Sino-Pak boundary agreement of 1963. As long as the Kashmir issue is not settled, your relations with China will not be affected. The issue comes into fore with settlement of Kashmir issue bilaterally. The Chinese equation will become pertinent for both Pakistan and India in that case.

Reason? The temporary nature of your agreement with them and clause for re-negotiation of agreement on settlement of Kashmir issue. China historically claims inheritance of all rights and suzerainty over areas even briefly held by it at some point in history. Tibet had some suzerainty over Gilgit-Ladakh-Nirthern Areas at some point in history. So the contention.

Sarcasm mode On

We will get Koh-i-noor back from Britishers and buy not 36 but rather 54 Rafales with it..

Sarcasm mode off

You will get categorized along with @Joe Shearer and me for that ...

so i guess this is a big blunder then.
i tell you what would hurt is if france drops india and turns to pakistan and a deal goes through. i dont think they would want tech to help with the thunder but if they have deep pockets they order 70+ to replace the rose ll/lll and build them locally

Not exactly. We have been deft in using Europeans against US against Russia. At the end of the day, it's about money. And we have that

Modi won't hug you if you carry this expression

 

[Vergennes]

I'm sure Hollande has another Indian visit in him, India will make it worth his while.....

We hope that it would be signed as soon as possible. It's not 'if',it's just 'when'. At least,signing 3 Rafale deals,bringing billions into the defense industry and creating jobs would be among the best thing he did before the end of his quinquennat.

How likely is this

Officially,he isn't candidate in the primaries of his party,but is likely to announce it soon.
He has very good opinions within his party's voters.
Before his come back into politics (after the defeat of 2012),the right was so divided,had many internal conflicts and was near bankruptcy. He saved it by bringing order and avoid the implosion. He unified the right and avoided his party to fall to the point of no return.
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Then in the presidential elections,the second round will most likely see Marine Le Pen vs Sarkozy (admitting he wins the primaries) and he will be seen as the only one to prevent Marine to win. He will most likely try to gain the votes from those that feel betrayed from the socialists and the left in general,because I suggest that many would want to go to the FN.

I always liked Sarkozy, he seemed good for Indian-French ties.

He has a vision and knows that the future lies with emerging powers.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Not exactly. We have been deft in using Europeans against US against Russia. At the end of the day, it's about money. And we have that

never underestimate them, god knows what they have planned

Modi won't hug you if you carry this expression

 

[Joe Shearer]

We hope that it would be signed as soon as possible. It's not 'if',it's just 'when'. At least,signing 3 Rafale deals,bringing billions into the defense industry and creating jobs would be among the best thing he did before the end of his quinquennat.





Officially,he isn't candidate in the primaries of his party,but is likely to announce it soon.
He has very good opinions within his party's voters.
Before his come back into politics (after the defeat of 2012),the right was so divided,had many internal conflicts and was near bankruptcy. He saved it by bringing order and avoid the implosion. He unified the right and avoided his party to fall to the point of no return.
-
Then in the presidential elections,the second round will most likely see Marine Le Pen vs Sarkozy (admitting he wins the primaries) and he will be seen as the only one to prevent Marine to win. He will most likely try to gain the votes from those that feel betrayed from the socialists and the left in general,because I suggest that many would want to go to the FN.



He has a vision and knows that the future lies with emerging powers.

@Vergennes

What the devil is it about the love affair between the British, the French and the Germans with the Hungarians, and of the British and the French with the Poles? To an outsider, it sometimes reaches mythical proportions.

 

[Vergennes]

@Vergennes

What the devil is it about the love affair between the British, the French and the Germans with the Hungarians, and of the British and the French with the Poles? To an outsider, it sometimes reaches mythical proportions.

Sorry I don't think I understood this question.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sorry I don't think I understood this question.

It seems to me that the three great European powers have a soft corner in their hearts for some of the outliers. The amount of time and attention given to them is disproportionate; the Scandinavians don't get anywhere that kind of affectionate mention. These are both swashbuckling, boldly moustached, nations of gallants, sabres swinging at their sides, and swooning maidens in their arms, out for death or glory. Poniatowski (the son, the French Marshal) dying a hero's death in battle, apocryphal Polish lancers charging German panzers (never happened, but why spoil a good story?), Hungarians riding through windmills, or wheeling a coach and pair down a city staircase - such totally outrageous figures, so hugely larger than life.

Is it my imagination or do the Brits, the French and the Germans have very soft corners for these two races? (just think Uhlan, Hussar and Lancer, for instance; all light cavalry seems to have stemmed from these two). Even the British adopted lancers, not just their own, but the incredibly good light cavalry they found in India.

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

@PARIKRAMA
A written reply from Parikkar to a question asked about Rafale by a minister.

" As per the India-France Joint Statement issued by the two countries during the Prime Minister’s visit to France, Government of India conveyed to the Government of France that in view of the critical operational necessity for Multirole Combat Aircraft for Indian Air Force (IAF), Government of India would like to acquire 36 Rafale jets in fly-away condition. Both the sides also agreed to conclude an Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) for supply of the aircraft. A Negotiating Team has been constituted to negotiate the terms and conditions of the procurement of 36 Rafale jets and recommend a draft agreement. On 25th January, 2016, a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for procurement of 36 Rafale was signed by the Governments of India and France. The details like cost of procurement, training of fighter pilots of Indian Air Force, etc. would emerge after the conclusion of IGA. "
From a Press Release.



This is from today in the parliament , and he is not revealing anything.

The question was about " Did India and France have signed any agreement on fighter jets ? "

 

[PARIKRAMA]

@PARIKRAMA
A written reply from Parikkar to a question asked about Rafale by a minister.

" As per the India-France Joint Statement issued by the two countries during the Prime Minister’s visit to France, Government of India conveyed to the Government of France that in view of the critical operational necessity for Multirole Combat Aircraft for Indian Air Force (IAF), Government of India would like to acquire 36 Rafale jets in fly-away condition. Both the sides also agreed to conclude an Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) for supply of the aircraft. A Negotiating Team has been constituted to negotiate the terms and conditions of the procurement of 36 Rafale jets and recommend a draft agreement. On 25th January, 2016, a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for procurement of 36 Rafale was signed by the Governments of India and France. The details like cost of procurement, training of fighter pilots of Indian Air Force, etc. would emerge after the conclusion of IGA. "
From a Press Release.



This is from today in the parliament , and he is not revealing anything.

The question was about " Did India and France have signed any agreement on fighter jets ? "

Yes. The MOU to IGA is like a Step 3. We are done with Step 4 and awaiting Step 5 from quite some time.

1. Initial Discussion
2. Understanding and initial negotiations
3. MOU to IGA
4. Final Negotiations (could not reach in jan 2016)
5. DM MP Note to CCS
6. CCS Approval
7. Formal IGA (people will come from France)
8. Formal Contract ( DA and party will come formally
9. Payment to confirm the terms as per the contract
10. Waiting period
11. Training process and other agreed steps in IGA under process
12. Rafale for India will undergo certification
13. Rafale in IAF colors (handover to IAF)

Bear in mind step 13 (oh yeah number 13 !) is when Rafale In IAF colors officially.

Its a long process.. and bear in mind IGA and MOU to IGA has MII component as well implying Step 11 will have a very different approach as well.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Yes. The MOU to IGA is like a Step 3. We are done with Step 4 and awaiting Step 5 from quite some time.

1. Initial Discussion
2. Understanding and initial negotiations
3. MOU to IGA
4. Final Negotiations (could not reach in jan 2016)
5. DM MP Note to CCS
6. CCS Approval
7. Formal IGA (people will come from France)
8. Formal Contract ( DA and party will come formally
9. Payment to confirm the terms as per the contract
10. Waiting period
11. Training process and other agreed steps in IGA under process
12. Rafale for India will undergo certification
13. Rafale in IAF colors (handover to IAF)

Bear in mind step 13 (oh yeah number 13 !) is when Rafale In IAF colors officially.

Its a long process.. and bear in mind IGA and MOU to IGA has MII component as well implying Step 11 will have a very different approach as well.

Everything up to step 10 should be completed by Q4 2016 otherwise........

 

[Grevion]

Yes. The MOU to IGA is like a Step 3. We are done with Step 4 and awaiting Step 5 from quite some time.

1. Initial Discussion
2. Understanding and initial negotiations
3. MOU to IGA
4. Final Negotiations (could not reach in jan 2016)
5. DM MP Note to CCS
6. CCS Approval
7. Formal IGA (people will come from France)
8. Formal Contract ( DA and party will come formally
9. Payment to confirm the terms as per the contract
10. Waiting period
11. Training process and other agreed steps in IGA under process
12. Rafale for India will undergo certification
13. Rafale in IAF colors (handover to IAF)

Bear in mind step 13 (oh yeah number 13 !) is when Rafale In IAF colors officially.

Its a long process.. and bear in mind IGA and MOU to IGA has MII component as well implying Step 11 will have a very different approach as well.

What do we do during step 10?