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It is, all submarine cooperation with French as a result is likely dead in future.
So no SSN technology as some reports were coming
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It is, all submarine cooperation with French as a result is likely dead in future.
So no SSN technology as some reports were coming
Are you sure? What kind of propeller?What I specially took umbrage at was French said propeller subs will get outdated soon
Are you sure? What kind of propeller?
Now a days big players are moving towards pumpjet propulsion for subs, which is having less noice level compared to propeller driven boats.Are you sure? What kind of propeller?
Follow on Scorpenes will still be ordered.It is, all submarine cooperation with French as a result is likely dead in future.
Follow on Scorpenes will still be ordered.
Could be since the IP was being developed from Australia, they wanted exclusivity or their share in future sales. Kind of like UAE F-16 deal. @Taygibay
What I specially took umbrage at was French said propeller subs will get outdated soon, the same propeller subs which they are selling to India.
OK! Let's separate three things!
1- OZ had the exclusivity part in the tender's objectives :
"The Government insists the evaluation provided the "information required to select DCNS as the most suitable international partner to develop a regionally-superior future submarine to meet our unique national security requirements, as detailed in the 2016 Defence White Paper.""2- There is substantial ToT involved as public opinion would not accept full offshore construction.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-27/barnes-what-are-the-submarines-really-protecting/7361554
The last subs will be partially made in Oz. But the transfer is for the Shortfin Barracuda! There
are other models in that family.
3- Yes, proprietary pump jet tech is going to replace old school propellers. Saying so is thus a com-
mercial argument of worth and DCNS knows it and uses it.
http://dcnsgroup.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/DCNS-SEA1000-Insert-FINAL_low-res.pdf
The stealth aspects are part of the deal.
I get the bad taste this could leave in an Bharati mouth but that's business! Do consider however
that India is rumoured to be getting our help in AIP through the strategic partnership. This alone will
completely change the operating ways of IN. And then there are the nuclear heaters ...
At this point, it might be simpler to take note of what happened and work to counter it
Find another pump jet source or develop one yourselves. After all, just as the sale to OZ
doesn't forbid getting a different Barracuda, just order it under the name SMX Ocean,
http://aviationweek.com/blog/not-just-concept-smx-ocean-dcns , it cannot bar help for a
pump jet study with say L&T if the result is local and branded Sacred Swimming Cow!
There are always workarounds, always!
Besides, your Navy and that of Pakistan share French submarine equipment.
Shouldn't that worry you more than Oz?
GTG' have a great day all, Tay.
Salesmen will say anything to secure a sale, I wouldn't take it personally but it is a pretty unfortunate thing to have said.When according to the OEM they are obsolete! God Save India
Right, and when you look at the potential size of the Rafale demand in India (easily >250 units if you count IAF and IN needs by 2025) then there is a great deal of scope to receive signifcant "side benefits" from the Rafale deal with France.keeping in view it is the size of the deal and probable profits which would dictate size and scope of ToT.
Salesmen will say anything to secure a sale, I wouldn't take it personally but it is a pretty unfortunate thing to have said.
Right, and when you look at the potential size of the Rafale demand in India (easily >250 units if you count IAF and IN needs by 2025) then there is a great deal of scope to receive signifcant "side benefits" from the Rafale deal with France.
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I am not too sure that would be easy. I knew french are going to win once Japan was out. Japan wanted to make then in Japan itself which went against them. Japanese had the more stealthy and advanced sub hands down.No Barricuda tech which is SSN in French and the modified version for Australia is conventional.
I am not too sure that would be easy. I knew french are going to win once Japan was out. Japan wanted to make then in Japan itself which went against them. Japanese had the more stealthy and advanced sub hands down.
(A personal comment) But is a P75 ride for Australia.
F21 is again on drawing board I think.Hi, it was always Type216>Diesel Baracuda >Soryu
And it will be untill the Japanese come up with their promised lithium ion batteries.
Scorpenes are " very good " SSK today , to replace and augment our Type209s. No ifs and buts here, we got what we ordered.
What we need to do is , "STICK WITH OUR OWN TORPEDOES and AIP " on it.
The French are developing I think something named F21 torpedo which is touted as the best torpedo ever, better than Spearfish etc.....
I am not pointing towards TOT or F21, i was just making a point we can get them (Friendly help from French) to improve ours!