Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[Blue Marlin]

Hello Sir what Are your sources telling you

Any luck so far

@PARIKRAMA @randomradio

Even UAE deal is getting postponed

UAE Could Defer Dassault Rafale Order to 2017 or 2018

that means you wont be getting jets till that time too.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

that means you wont be getting jets till that time too.

No that means that if we can close the deal in 2016

We would be ahead in the queue ; First come first served isnt it
Now Egypt and Qatar are ahead in the queue to get New Rafales

 

[Immanuel]

EDIT: Meteor is estimated to have a range of 250-300 km with ballistic flight path, which suggests an improvement over initially cited goal. That being said, best option is to wait for performance figures after it enters service.

Is there some valid source for your hot air claim?

 

[randomradio]

the f18 is more expensive than the rafale is that unit cost vs unit cost or is that 36 rafales vs 100+f18's ?
ok so you say single engined fighters have a good chance, so what about the gripen? [im forgetting the f16 here]
all of this is now a sh!t show. you were supposed to get the rafale and call it a day. now you have tom, d!ck and harry and his mate paul trying to sell jets there.
the roi investors must put back to india is 50% not the tech. the tech is seen as an investment.

There is some kind of confusion here. The F-16, Gripen etc are fighting for a new contract that's separate from the Rafale.

According to Parrikar, we will have signed $12B in offsets over the next few years, so the offsets for new orders will be directed towards building a production ecospace.

the mig 35 is perfect. you already have the mig 29 to intragation is no problem its got the latest kit. its dirt cheap, much less than the rafale. the russain spean the language of the indian's. they know how to do

business with you as they have been doing for a very long time.the french kinda know but its still rust and still doing business under the pretense of selling carpets. guarantied supply. if your dumb enough to go to war the french will stop deleveries but the russains wont.

Out of all the western nations, we trust the French the most. We are working out a system in which our imported fleet's upkeep will not be dependent on the countries the companies represent. They will make it as sanction proof as possible.

We have a massive contract with the Russians with FGFA which dwarfs all other programs. There is no need to go for more.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

The LAST three pages tells us that the MMRCA circus is back

It was the same thing back then in 2010 --11

Supporters of rival planes calling each other names

 

[Blue Marlin]

There is some kind of confusion here. The F-16, Gripen etc are fighting for a new contract that's separate from the Rafale.

According to Parrikar, we will have signed $12B in offsets over the next few years, so the offsets for new orders will be directed towards building a production ecospace.



Out of all the western nations, we trust the French the most. We are working out a system in which our imported fleet's upkeep will not be dependent on the countries the companies represent. They will make it as sanction proof as possible.

We have a massive contract with the Russians with FGFA which dwarfs all other programs. There is no need to go for more.

well if this is the case here then should be a seperate thread for this instead of talking about it here. but its not actually a thing under an actual tender, its just the wolves hounding iaf.

the french are good people no doubt about that. i thought the fgfa is for 60 jets only after there were cuts

 

[BON PLAN]

STRANGE TO SEE GRIPEN SO LOW, SPECIALY VERSUS F16.

 

[Blue Marlin]

STRANGE TO SEE GRIPEN SO LOW, SPECIALY VERSUS F16.

who made the graph? was it saab by any coincidence?

 

[randomradio]

well if this is the case here then should be a seperate thread for this instead of talking about it here. but its not actually a thing under an actual tender, its just the wolves hounding iaf.

No, it's not a tender. But yeah, this deserves a new thread. This will be a GTG deal, so you won't find a lot of information like it was for MMRCA. All the other MMRCA competitors are back for a 90 jet contract, so they are working out their best offers. This is separate from the Rafale line.

i thought the fgfa is for 60 jets only after there were cuts

The 60 jets deal is an option the govt is considering and it's separate from the FGFA deal. It's for the Russian version of PAK FA, but unclear if it's for Stage 1 or Stage 2. We know that there will be a 3 year delay between the Russian Stage 2 and FGFA, so the govt must be considering bridging that gap with the 60 jets. They are most likely watching the progress of the J-20.

The FGFA is for 154 jets.

 

[Blue Marlin]

1. No, it's not a tender. But yeah, this deserves a new thread. This will be a GTG deal, so you won't find a lot of information like it was for MMRCA. All the other MMRCA competitors are back for a 90 jet contract, so they are working out their best offers. This is separate from the Rafale line.



2. The 60 jets deal is an option the govt is considering and it's separate from the FGFA deal. It's for the Russian version of PAK FA, but unclear if it's for Stage 1 or Stage 2. We know that there will be a 3 year delay between the Russian Stage 2 and FGFA, so the govt must be considering bridging that gap with the 60 jets. They are most likely watching the progress of the J-20.

The FGFA is for 154 jets.

1. so this new gtg is for 90 sets of wings then. why not buy more rafales. is crazy buying multiple airframe types.

2. so it's 60 russian jets plus more to indian specs? right

 

[randomradio]

1. so this new gtg is for 90 sets of wings then. why not buy more rafales. is crazy buying multiple airframe types.

We can't afford only Rafales. They will increase the number of Rafales eventually, and the navy will also be buying between 50 and 100.

The Rafale + LCA orders have been split into Rafale + LCA + another jet due to budget pressures.

2. so it's 60 russian jets plus more to indian specs? right

Yeah.

 

[Blue Marlin]

We can't afford only Rafales. They will increase the number of Rafales eventually, and the navy will also be buying between 50 and 100.

The Rafale + LCA orders have been split into Rafale + LCA + another jet due to budget pressures.



Yeah.

whichever bud. any idea when it will be signed? or close to be signed. abindonboy said by end of the fiscal year 31'st of march.

 

[Immanuel]

Random's info is too random, bordering on fantasy. Rafale deal for 36 first has to be cleared for IAF, which on itself is highly doubtful, let's not even bring the Navy into, they have no need for Rafale as they have no carriers, they have enough (45) Mig-29K to share on the INS Vikramditya and INS Vikrant coming up soon. The next carrier INS Vishal won't be ready till atleast 2027, Navy won't be adding a 4.5 gen Rafale during 5th gen timelines when they have more 5th gen options like F-35, Naval PAKFA to go along with the N-LCA MK-2 etc.

Rafale deal in all cases will be cancelled since we are willing to pay no more than 7-8 billion while the French are quoting 11-12 billion. Unless they drop the price significantly, this is going to be hard.

 

[BON PLAN]

if your dumb enough to go to war the french will stop deleveries but the russains wont.

During Kargil we help indians !

And during Falklands we stop deliveries of Exocet and Super Etendard to Argentina. (Fortunately for your fleet, because with just a hand full on these items... your a** was smashed ).

IT DEPEND. If India goes in war against her Majesty the Queen, the choice will be hard. If not no problem.

Why do you think Mirage 2000 was and is a nuclear vector in India ?

Random's info is too random, bordering on fantasy. Rafale deal for 36 first has to be cleared for IAF, which on itself is highly doubtful, let's not even bring the Navy into, they have no need for Rafale as they have no carriers, they have enough (45) Mig-29K to share on the INS Vikramditya and INS Vikrant coming up soon. The next carrier INS Vishal won't be ready till atleast 2027, Navy won't be adding a 4.5 gen Rafale during 5th gen timelines when they have more 5th gen options like F-35, Naval PAKFA to go along with the N-LCA MK-2 etc.

Rafale deal in all cases will be cancelled since we are willing to pay no more than 7-8 billion while the French are quoting 11-12 billion. Unless they drop the price significantly, this is going to be hard.

Too random info. Bordering on fantaisy .... OKAY, it's your opinion.

I think the same about naval PAKFA. No naval version of such a plane. Wing plan form not suited. And no parachute on a naval plane.

Price. If you really want to pay only 7-8 billion when Dassault, after selling its fighter twice, and 4 years of bargaining need 11-12, it's over.
But because it's not over yet, your reality is not the reality.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

STRANGE TO SEE GRIPEN SO LOW, SPECIALY VERSUS F16.

who made the graph? was it saab by any coincidence?

You folks are both absolutely correct

Jane's Defense is the source.. It was most probably sponsored by Saab as the article said this

The operational cost of the Swedish Saab Gripen aircraft is the lowest among a flightline of modern fighters, confirmed a White Paper submitted by the respected international defense publishing group IHS Jane’s, in response to a study commissioned by Saab.


++Yet most folks relied on this number and bashed Rafale and EuroFighter for a long long time.. Till at least now Rafale CPFH is more or less a bit cleared..

@Blue Marlin - My good friend can you have any thing via which we can know CPFH of EF or any governmental record like French Senat ones from which we can derive its CPFH.. Would love to know the real CPFH of EF