CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[lmjiao]

I'm not a specialist, but General Ying Zhuo said in CCTV 4 that we will only consider EMALS when nuclear reactor is ready.

We only see Steam catapult carrier in the history, not a conventional EMALS.

You are distributing exactly the wrong and misleading information!!!!!!!

General Ying Zhou's most important opponion is EMALS does NOT need nuclear power！

Check this link for General Ying Zhou's statements:
http://mil.huanqiu.com/observation/2016-11/9696769.html

尹卓表示，如果消息歼-15完成首次弹射起飞的消息属实，该架歼-15应该已不是原理样机，而是工程样机。从网上曝光的弹射版歼-15的照片来看，歼-15可能已经进入可实用阶段。此外，电磁弹射器并不是必须加装在核动力航母上，常规动力航母也完全能够提供电磁弹射器所需的瞬时高能量。“弹射版歼-15给我们展示了很好的前景，今后中国航母的作战能力将远远超过‘库兹涅佐夫’号。”​

English translation for the red part: However, EMALS is not required to be installed in a nuclear CV, conventional CV could also provide the high energy in short time for the EMALS.

The origional video for the above statements from General Ying Zhuo can be found in the following link (video in Chinese)
http://tv.cctv.com/2016/11/16/VIDEIS8nmC7b7P0vWfr3NHP1161116.shtml

We WILL see a convential EMALS in near future, and this is due to physics, not history.

 

[帅的一匹]

What if we need to add more DEW on the carrier? Ying Zhuo did say we need nuclear reactor to power the EMALS one year ago. Might he had changed his tongue if there is a big technology breakthrough.

I saw that CCTV4 today's focus by myself! I swear!

A conventional carrier's combat ability is far inferior than a nuclear carrier, especially when it comes to infinite cruise. We must develop nuclear carrier!

 

[lmjiao]

What if we need to add more DEW on the carrier? Ying Zhuo did say we need nuclear reactor to power the EMALS one year ago. Might he had changed his tongue if there is a big technology breakthrough.

I saw that CCTV4 today's focus by myself! I swear!

Anything related to DEW or EMALS is not Nuclear. It is electricity.

This is why General-Professor Ma Weiming's research is so important.

 

[帅的一匹]

Ying Zhuo doesn't have a saying in it, Ma Wei Ming has.

Anything related to DEW or EMALS is not Nuclear. It is electricity.

This is why General-Professor Ma Weiming's research is so important.

But what if use conventional power plant to propel a 10 thousands tons carriers with EMALS and DEW?

Anything related to DEW or EMALS is not Nuclear. It is electricity.

This is why General-Professor Ma Weiming's research is so important.

Electricity is generated by power plant? And it might severely dampen the operation range of the carrier if we don't have nuclear reactor?

The output of a nuclear reactor is beyond a gas turbine or steam boiler.

 

[lmjiao]

What if we need to add more DEW on the carrier? Ying Zhuo did say we need nuclear reactor to power the EMALS one year ago. Might he had changed his tongue if there is a big technology breakthrough.

I saw that CCTV4 today's focus by myself! I swear!

A conventional carrier's combat ability is far inferior than a nuclear carrier, especially when it comes to infinite cruise. We must develop nuclear carrier!

You are mentioning two aspects, 1. combat ability, 2. cruise range
As for 1. the type 002 with 3 EMALS is able to compete with Nimitz
As for 2. you are right.

Yes, we must develop nuclear carrier. And we are developing nuclear carrier, namely type 003.

It is just a matter of time. We can not finish nuclear carrier within 10 years, but we can finish type 002 within this period. Thus, the choice is clear, the PLAN develop them both. Type 002 for strategy in this and next decade, type 003 for the future.

 

[帅的一匹]

Unless China has a nuclear carrier, I say it has no real combat ability on the high sea.

航母就在家门口转，没出过远门。可见常规动力限制之大！

Way to go, another 10 years maybe.

What PLaN has seriously threat to our enemy is type 055 and type 096 SSBN.

Conventional carrier is not mainstay trend.

It's just a stop gap.

Operational range and catapult efficiency is the most important indicators for a modern carrier.

 

[lmjiao]

Ying Zhuo doesn't have a saying in it, Ma Wei Ming has.

But what if use conventional power plant to propel a 10 thousands tons carriers with EMALS and DEW?

Type 002 is limited to 7.5K tons full loaded.
Type 003 could be 10K tons, but it is your favourite nuclear CV.
I don't see why you are considering this 10K tons conventional CV.

Electricity is generated by power plant? And it might severely dampen the operation range of the carrier if we don't have nuclear reactor?
The output of a nuclear reactor is beyond a gas turbine or steam boiler.

Steam boiler provide steam for catapult (steam catapult) or electricity generator turbine(EMALS). In the first case, the steam amount required is larger.

So, a conventional CV with EMALS (Type 002) could have larger cruise range than a conventional CV with steam catapult(USS Kitty Hawk CV-63).

Yes, nuclear CV is better, but I don't understand your worries.

Unless China has a nuclear carrier, I say it has no real combat ability on the high sea.

航母就在家门口转，没出过远门。可见常规动力限制之大！

Way to go, another 10 years maybe.

What PLaN has seriously threat to our enemy is type 055 and type 096 SSBN.

Conventional carrier is not mainstay trend.

It's just a stop gap.

Operational range and catapult efficiency is the most important indicators for a modern carrier.

You are right. But the Star Destroyer is even better.

We built what we can built right now, that's all.

 

[帅的一匹]

Type 002 is limited to 7.5K tons full loaded.
Type 003 could be 10K tons, but it is your favourite nuclear CV.
I don't see why you are considering this 10K tons conventional CV.


Steam boiler provide steam for catapult (steam catapult) or electricity generator turbine(EMALS). In the first case, the steam amount required is larger.

So, a conventional CV with EMALS (Type 002) will have larger cruise range than a conventional CV with steam catapult(USS Kitty Hawk CV-63).

Yes, nuclear CV is better, but I don't understand your worries.

Maybe we have technology break though in 舰船综合电力技术（ship integrated electricity system). Ma Wei Ming said it can also solve the problem of installing DEW on our DDG.

 

[lmjiao]

Maybe we have technology break though in 舰船综合电力技术。

Yes, the type 003 carrier could be the first CV with the shipboard integrated power system, if not the second type 002. This is very usefull for EMALS and DEW.

EDIT: Type 003 is the first Chinese CV with shipboard integrated power system.
The first CV in the world with shipboard integrated power system is Queen Elizabeth II of the Royal Navy.

The first type 002 is designed without the shipboard integrated power system, but General-Professor Ma Weiming did provide technologies to transform the steam power for the EMALS

 

[帅的一匹]

Yes, the type 003 carrier could be the first CV with the shipboard integrated power system, if not the second type 002. This is very usefull for EMALS and DEW.

The first type 002 is designed without the shipboard integrated power system, but General-Professor Ma Weiming did provide technologies to transform the steam power for the EMALS

Great news! Ma Wei Ming is a genius.

 

[Han Patriot]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2017-07/17/content_30134522.htm

The marine resources survey ship will be 98 meters long and 17 m wide and will have a displacement of 4,000 tons. It will be driven by an advanced electric propulsion system.

Official confirmation of a working IEP.

 

[lcloo]

Exhibits showing three different designs in Navy Hall designed the the magazine "Ship Knowledge".

“铭记光辉历史 开创强军伟业——庆祝中国人民解放军建军90周年主题展览”中的模型看舰岛很小，明显没有烟囱应该是核动力，印象中这个展览还是挺靠谱的，展示的基本都是现役装备，应该不会随便胡扯一个模型展览吧，难道真是军迷称谓的003航母？
还有这次海军馆是《舰船知识》编辑部负责内容设计与创意策划的“军博海军装备技术馆”

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Exhibits in Navy Hall designed the the magazine "Ship Knowledge".

“铭记光辉历史 开创强军伟业——庆祝中国人民解放军建军90周年主题展览”中的模型看舰岛很小，明显没有烟囱应该是核动力，印象中这个展览还是挺靠谱的，展示的基本都是现役装备，应该不会随便胡扯一个模型展览吧，难道真是军迷称谓的003航母？
还有这次海军馆是《舰船知识》编辑部负责内容设计与创意策划的“军博海军装备技术馆”

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This one is a CVN, it cannot be 19, since the Type 002 got a twin which should be the CV-18 and CV-19.

Unless the whole Type 002 family has been modified into the CVN.

 

[lcloo]

This one is a CVN, it cannot be 19, since the Type 002 got a twin which should be the CV-18 and CV-19.

Unless the whole Type 002 family has been modified into the CVN.

Your reply came too quick before I amended my post. Looks like three different designs, 2 CVN and a conventional CV (No.19).

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Your reply came too quick before I amended my post. Looks like three different designs, 2 CVN and a conventional CV (No.19).

I think over 90% of the chance the Type 002 is conventional, and the ship family got a twin.

I think this is the cooperation for the CVN-20 which belongs to the Type 003 class.

http://www.cssc.net.cn/component_news/news_detail.php?id=24748