CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[Niko Zhang]

There is no proof that the old JFK had a significant increase of tonnage over the previous Kitty Hawk class ships except with a modified island structure.

The CVN-68 is only 88,000 metric tons, and it is about 12,000 metric tons lighter than the CVN-78 despite having the same length and beam width.

The old JFK is significantly smaller than the CVN-68, and it was also skinnier and being less armored. There is no way it can be only a couple thousand tons less than the CVN-68.



The CVN-68 is 97,000 short tons.

The CV-64 was 82,000 short tons.

But the CV-67 had to be 82,000 metric tons???

Who made things up?

The late Nimitz ships are much more armored than the earlier version, also with its draft being increased, hence there is a 10,000 metric tons increase.

But the old JFK only had a modified island structure, and there was no increase of armor and draft. So there was no significant increase of tonnage in the old JFK.

You want to make “speculation” on a futuristic thing. Okay, in time we will find out.
But now seems like you are so crazy about denying everything that is against your opinions EVEN if it’s fact. One denying after another. Keep this in mind, your source is NOT the absolute truth. Be open-minded for god sake. After all we didn’t built these ships

Plus your whole point is about the displacement and power system of 003. I am very sure that you will also deny the fact when there is one. So I’m out. You can enjoy your imaginary victory. Like those Indian people.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

China's industrial strength surpasses that of the United States and the EU. China can build aircraft carriers> 100,000 tons.

If the Type 003 is conventional, then it is going to use the gas turbines instead of the obsolete steam boilers. The conventional aircraft carriers built nowadays all use gas turbines.

However, the layout of the engine room shows that the Type 003 will still use the steam turbines, therefore the nuclear propulsion will be the only viable option.

The Type 002 also uses the steam turbines instead of the gas turbines, because its steam turbine technology will later pave the road for the Type 003.

You want to make “speculation” on a futuristic thing. Okay, in time we will find out.
But now seems like you are so crazy about denying everything that is against your opinions EVEN if it’s fact. One denying after another. Keep this in mind, your source is NOT the absolute truth. Be open-minded for god sake. After all we didn’t built these ships

Plus your whole point is about the displacement and power system of 003. I am very sure that you will also deny the fact when there is one. So I’m out. You can enjoy your imaginary victory. Like those Indian people.

Sorry, I just managed to burst all the bubbles of those 80,000+ metric tons Forrestal/Kitty Hawk supercarriers from your own imagination.

Now you are still fighting a losing argument by insisting that the old JFK is still the case.

However, you still cannot provide any viable argument.

 

[Figaro]

Okay, in time we will find out.

Yes you said it right. Can we now please stop arguing and filling this thread with endless back and forths about speculation? Thank you.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yes you said it right. Can we now please stop arguing and filling this thread with endless back and forths about speculation? Thank you.

I was not the instigator.

It was @Niko Zhang who wanted to impose the draconian rules from the CD forum into this thread: any talk about the Type 003 being possibly nuclear powered is strictly forbidden.

The CD forum has now turned into sh1t because of the blind worship of these fanboys for fzgfzy.

I believe that he must be one of these CD posters who got the problems with the cult of personality for fzgfzy, since he behaved extremely aggressive toward anyone who supports the nuclear theory. I support the nuclear theory, but it doesn't mean that I have to hunt down anyone who got a different opinion from mine.

You can just check my past comments in this thread, I used to support conventional carrier, even the steam catapult. However, my point of view has changed over time because more evidence become more apparent.

 

[Figaro]

I was not the instigator.

It was @Niko Zhang who wanted to impose the draconian rules from the CD forum into this thread: any talk about the Type 003 being possibly nuclear powered is strictly forbidden.

The CD forum has now turned into sh1t because of the blind worship of these fanboys for fzgfzy.

I believe that he must be one of these CD posters who got the problems with the cult of personality for fzgfzy, since he behaved extremely aggressive toward anyone who supports the nuclear theory. I support the nuclear theory, but it doesn't mean that I have to hunt down anyone who got a different opinion from mine.

You can just check my past comments in this thread, I used to support conventional carrier, even the steam catapult. However, my point of view has changed over time because more evidence become more apparent.

I was referring to the other poster who started this

 

[Niko Zhang]

I was not the instigator.

It was @Niko Zhang who wanted to impose the draconian rules from the CD forum into this thread: any talk about the Type 003 being possibly nuclear powered is strictly forbidden.

The CD forum has now turned into sh1t because of the blind worship of these fanboys for fzgfzy.

I believe that he must be one of these CD posters who got the problems with the cult of personality for fzgfzy, since he behaved extremely aggressive toward anyone who supports the nuclear theory. I support the nuclear theory, but it doesn't mean that I have to hunt down anyone who got a different opinion from mine.

You can just check my past comments in this thread, I used to support conventional carrier, even the steam catapult. However, my point of view has changed over time because more evidence become more apparent.

It’s totally fine u keep it that way. Like those people claiming Su-35 will never be bought, FC-31 will never be introduced. You can continue your own war anywhere anytime, since u said I want to put rules on u. So plz, go on. Bye, hope you are still around when 003 is launched.

 

[samsara]

I don't want to write too many words here, so I just attach the Profile pages to reflect. One pic (and stats) tells thousands of words.

Argument-wise, one can judge whose language is harsher, less cordial here! It's called a language propriety!

Anyhow I wish we all move on as the Mod has said earlier.

Let the revelation in near future attest who's right who's wrong in this "guessing game". There is no 100% guarantee for sure… but if I have to bet, I know what position I'll stick to… though still playing on probability, the winning odds

 

[Deino]

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Anyhow I wish we all move on as the Mod has said earlier.

Let the revelation in near future attest who's right who's wrong in this "guessing game". There is no 100% guarantee for sure… but if I have to bet, I know what position I'll stick to… though still playing on probability, the winning odds

Thanks and therefore: STOP with this discussion until we see it!

 

[waja2000]

From Dante80 /SDF:

What do you predict of the 003:
a) Steam catapult + Coventional power
b) Steam catapult + Nuclear power
c) EMALS + Coventional power
d) EMALS + Nuclear power
e) None of above

My predict is --> c) EMALS + Coventional power

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Thanks and therefore: STOP with this discussion until we see it!

Whether the posters here support nuclear or conventional, everyone should bring the valid argument onto the table.

Name-calling and other aggressive behaviors should not be tolerated, and hopefully you can spend more time to moderate it.

The discussion and speculation on the size of the Type 003 based on the satellite images should not be forbidden.

 

[Figaro]

I don't want to write too many words here, so I just attach the Profile pages to reflect. One pic (and stats) tells thousands of words.

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Argument-wise, one can judge whose language is harsher, less cordial here! It's called a language propriety!

Anyhow I wish we all move on as the Mod has said earlier.

Let the revelation in near future attest who's right who's wrong in this "guessing game". There is no 100% guarantee for sure… but if I have to bet, I know what position I'll stick to… though still playing on probability, the winning odds

I agree. Besides, a lot of members here a couple years back put down the idea of a EM catapult on the 003, absolutely insisting that a steam catapult was going to be used. And yet here we are today. Nuclear propulsion may be the same case. There is simply a lot we don't know yet.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I agree. Besides, a lot of members here a couple years back put down the idea of a EM catapult on the 003, absolutely insisting that a steam catapult was going to be used. And yet here we are today. Nuclear propulsion may be the same case. There is simply a lot we don't know yet.

The steam catapult didn't make sense when the EMALS was already ready to launch, and it is not technologically related to the EMALS at all.

As for the steam boiler system, it is an outdated propulsion that nobody uses it today. The Type 002 still uses it because it is experimental and China wanted to master the steam turbine technology from the Type 001. And the steam turbines technology is also needed for the nuclear propulsion.

If the Type 003 is conventional, then it would most likely use the gas turbine like the QE class carriers, and China would not replicate the Type 002 with an outdated propulsion system.

 

[Niko Zhang]

Claim about the following content: I mean NO quarrel. I am NOT attempting to convince anyone. I’m fine with any other share their thoughts. I will mark this post so when the launch day comes it will be clear enough for everybody to tell whether it’s right or wrong. Until then, don’t being judgmental to me plz. I welcome private messages, too.

The first one of type 003 aircraft carrier:

1. EMALS
2. Conventional power, steam turbine
3. Displacement: 70k-80k tons(metric ton), small possibilities of ①being slightly less than 70k ② a bit more than 80k
4. 3 catapults, 3 elevators
5. New aircrafts available AS SOON AS the first 003 entering service: upgraded J-15, J-15D, fixed wing carrier based AWACS, Z-20(possibly). Not one less, maybe more(except 5th gen fighter)

Have a nice day gentlemen.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

We need this monster to power a 70,000 tonnes CATOBAR aircraft carrier.

Only USA/Europe/Japan used to build this thing.

Whereas this one can only power a 60,000 tonnes ski-jump aircraft carrier at max.

 

[Niko Zhang]

Forgot to add these:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/67.htm

https://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/j/john-f-kennedy-cva-67.html

I don’t know why a conventional carrier with a displacement of more than 80k is not possible. But since there are doubts, I’d like to put the link here. There are such carriers indeed.

And I think it’s rather irrelevant to mention this while the topic is about 003. After all, we are not exactly sure about its displacement, which can not determine the power system of a ship either.