CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[Oldman1]

Well, how did kittyhawk work out?

Enough to show that they don't need it anymore. After all, what type of propulsion is the USS Reagan?

 

[Beast]

Enough to show that they don't need it anymore. After all, what type of propulsion is the USS Reagan?

But KittyHawk still perform well during its service time.

 

[gambit]

Only when it is full steam ahead

A 'rolling takeoff' is when an aircraft is capable of taking flight on its own power. A 'ramp assisted' takeoff treads the line between a 'rolling takeoff' and an 'assisted takeoff'. A catapult launch is a full 'assisted takeoff'.

But no matter what, in launching aircrafts, a carrier will usually run full steam INTO THE WIND to give all aircrafts, regardless of launch method as much lift as possible. This consumes fuel. Guess which type of fuel will give the carrier which type of tactical responses, such as how many launches possible and when.

 

[Oldman1]

But KittyHawk still perform well during its service time.

The Kittyhawk performed well but as you noticed all of our carriers are nuclear now.

 

[Beast]

The Kittyhawk performed well but as you noticed all of our carriers are nuclear now.

That is doesn't mean all others shall follow blindly.

 

[Oldman1]

That is doesn't mean all others shall follow blindly.

And yet China plans to have a nuclear carrier instead of sticking to conventional only since they will never be sent far from home. Guess nuclear power outweighs the cons.

 

[nang2]

And yet China plans to have a nuclear carrier instead of sticking to conventional only since they will never be sent far from home. Guess nuclear power outweighs the cons.

It is just the natural development progress. Let's not be over enthusiastic about China's technical know-how. Patience is another virtue.

 

[Oldman1]

It is just the natural development progress. Let's not be over enthusiastic about China's technical know-how. Patience is another virtue.

My response is about nuclear being overrated by Beast when me and other posters have pointed out the pros over it. I'm pointing out China plans to have a nuclear powered carrier in the future. So doesn't matter what Beast says.

 

[Sasquatch]

I think Type 001, 001A and 002 will be for regional patrols of the SCS and Sea of Japan.

Type 003 will be for global patrols. I'm sure only the Type 003 (100,000, nuclear powered, EMALS) will be built in multiple numbers. I think China needs 5 of these.

1 x Type 001
1 x Type 001A
1 x Type 002
5 x Type 003

Total aircraft carriers: 8

Type 001 and Type 001A could be training vessels or transferred to a friendly country . The PLAN will probably have 8 carriers but 6 will be for regional and global patrols.

 

[cnleio]

@Hu Songshan @Deino
Dear moderators ! I have no idea why type001A and type002 Aircraft Carrier Building should merge into one thread ? No sence in there, two different threads for two China aircraft carrier projects ... chaos ?

 

[Sasquatch]

@Hu Songshan @Deino
Dear moderators ! I have no idea why type001A and type002 Aircraft Carrier Building should merge into one thread ? No sence in there, two different threads for two China aircraft carrier projects ... chaos ?

The thread was already merged before I arrived here, am trying to figure out who did this. I want to keep the threads separate.

 

[Title123]

First to carriers are going to be fitted with steam believe it, EMALS will be fitted on the Type 003. I was hoping they skip it as steam catapults are expensive.



Your wrong on this. It's going to take 5-10 years before the PLAN can even match the Royal or French Navy forget about being the second best.

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Both the Royal and French Navy are better trained and more experienced. They can project power way beyond their respective sealines. The Royal Navy was sent 8000 miles to fight in the Falklands, France can project power all the way into the Persian Gulf and most recently Syria. Neither Japan nor the PLAN have this capability, even Russian Kuznetsov has a better power projection than the PLAN. I'm being a realist, the PLAN may not face the royal or french navy but they have a greater capability than the PLAN.



Type 001 Upgraded Liaoning > Type 002 Kitty Hawk > Type 003 Nimitz.

With 20. China. Carrier. In. Near. Future. Come. How. English. France. will do

Having bases alone doesn't give them capability they still have to use support ships to maintain that capability overseas it does have a military factor in it. There are areas in which the PLAN is more dominant but overall still behind both navies.


But in terms of training and experience China is behind both navies and behind or on par with Japan, what I mean is neither China nor Japan have the projection capability.



What I'm saying is Kuznetsov still has a greater power projection capability despite it's shortcoming than the PLAN. As of now China's Navy remains regional. The Liaoning itself has problems, carrying heavy weapons on the J-15 and being a ski jump carrier. Its a better carrier than the Kuznetsov.




Call me a skeptic, but I'm open to a wider perspective, could the PLAN overtake the Royal & French Navy yes right now no.

But in near future China with. 20carrier

 

[BoQ77]

Type 002 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussion

 

[Dragon Emperor]

To compare it to the US is too far fetch. After all the USN has been at the forefront of carrier ops & tech. for many decades. While it is always nice to compare the ships vis a vis, it's better to focus on the specific role each nation intended for their aircraft carrier. I expect our ships to be more for escort duties, albeit like those light WWII aircraft carriers guarding the merchant fleet.

True indeed. China is a newbie in carrier ops. Even during Imperial Japan, they had many carriers to use, while Chinese are stuck in ground war resistance. Japan and USA have a long carrier operating experience.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Some Type 002 stats, the flight deck is 320.8 meters long and 84 meters wide, and the full displacement around 86,000 tonnes.

3 steam catapults with 2 on the bow and 1 on the angled flight deck.

@cirr

True indeed. China is a newbie in carrier ops. Even during Imperial Japan, they had many carriers to use, while Chinese are stuck in ground war resistance. Japan and USA have a long carrier operating experience.

I agree with the US comparison, but Japan has no modern carrier operating experience as well.

To compare the WWII carrier and the modern carrier is like apple to orange, the WWII carriers even took the aircrafts with the wooden structure aboard. Those WWII Japanese supercarrier crews were long dead, and Japan currently has no continuation of the modern carrier.