CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[ChineseTiger1986]

An expertise on ship-building takes years of training. When STX enter Dalian and set up the subsidiary of the company there, they did not take several years to train their own expertise but dig ppls from the state owned shipyard in Dalian with high salary. However, their strategy proved totally wrong now and STX Dalian was bankrupt, even STX itself was saved by Korea government at the last moment of bankrupt. Now lots of people from STX Dalian are jobless and their salary are not paid, moreover, the local government did not gain any from this investment, but STX Dalian owed local banks lots of money.
Basically, I don't understand why Dalian government induct STX there. Dalian Shipyard is a very strong shipyard and famous in the world, if the local government thought the local ship-building potency did not reach the limit, they can simply invest more to Dalian Shipyard or Liaonan Shipyard.

The Type 003 will use steam catapult or EMALS?

According to POP3, it will displace over 100000 tons and be nuclear powered, but even he is not sure it will have steam catapult or EMALS.

 

[aliaselin]

The Type 003 will use steam catapult or EMALS?

According to POP3, it will displace over 100000 tons and be nuclear powered, but even he is not sure it will have steam catapult or EMALS.

Yes, I think EMALS is not ready, and this may be why he is not sure about it.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yes, I think EMALS is not ready, and this may be why he is not sure about it.

Professor Ma has now worked the EMALS with CSSC, so hopefully they have accomplished the project by 2020.

 

[bolo]

An expertise on ship-building takes years of training. When STX enter Dalian and set up the subsidiary of the company there, they did not take several years to train their own expertise but dig ppls from the state owned shipyard in Dalian with high salary. However, their strategy proved totally wrong now and STX Dalian was bankrupt, even STX itself was saved by Korea government at the last moment of bankrupt. Now lots of people from STX Dalian are jobless and their salary are not paid, moreover, the local government did not gain any from this investment, but STX Dalian owed local banks lots of money.
Basically, I don't understand why Dalian government induct STX there. Dalian Shipyard is a very strong shipyard and famous in the world, if the local government thought the local ship-building potency did not reach the limit, they can simply invest more to Dalian Shipyard or Liaonan Shipyard.

So basically stx (korean subsidiary ) of dalian shipyard is bankrupt, but Dalian shipyard is still around. Why don't dalian shipyard hired those locals who lost their job with stx? And what is the point of stx subsidiary that is building ships like dalian? i guess the dalian gov't really fukked it up.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

So basically stx (korean subsidiary ) of dalian shipyard is bankrupt, but Dalian shipyard is still around. Why don't dalian shipyard hired those locals who lost their job with stx? And what is the point of stx subsidiary that is building ships like dalian? i guess the dalian gov't really fukked it up.

If Dalian shipyard really has the difficulty for the mass production of the Type 052D/055 destroyer, then maybe Huangpu or Guangzhou shipyards should substitute part of its production.

 

[aliaselin]

So basically stx (korean subsidiary ) of dalian shipyard is bankrupt, but Dalian shipyard is still around. Why don't dalian shipyard hired those locals who lost their job with stx? And what is the point of stx subsidiary that is building ships like dalian? i guess the dalian gov't really fukked it up.

I think they have hired some freshman to replenishment most of the position, but it needs time for them to become a skilled worker. On the other hand, some of the people may be hired by Dalian Shipyard again, but it's hard for them to get permanent position due to state-owned company's rule.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I think they have hired some freshman to replenishment most of the position, but it needs time for them to become a skilled worker. On the other hand, some of the people may be hired by Dalian Shipyard again, but it's hard for them to get permanent position due to state-owned company's rule.

Why Hu Jintao gave the order of the Type 001A to Dalian shipyard? Since the initial plan was 001->002->003.

According to some big shrimps from HSH, it is to restore the shipbuilding capability of Dalian shipyard.

But most these guys including POP3 are from the area around Shanghai, do they hold a bias against Dalian Shipyard?

 

[aliaselin]

If Dalian shipyard really has the difficulty for the mass production of the Type 052D/055 destroyer, then maybe Huangpu or Guangzhou shipyards should substitute part of its production.

I think it's a hard work for Dalian shipyard compared to Jiangnan Shipyard, but still they are capable to finishing it on time. Though with some skilled workers lost, it is still much better than Huangpu and GSI Shipyard. By the way, if choosing the third shipyard to build ACs, I prefer SWS and Hudong Zhonghua.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I think it's a hard work for Dalian shipyard compared to Jiangnan Shipyard, but still they are capable to finishing it on time. Though with some skilled workers lost, it is still much better than Huangpu and GSI Shipyard. By the way, if choosing the third shipyard to build ACs, I prefer SWS and Hudong Zhonghua.

Hudong Zhonghua is limited by the Huangpu River, while SWS never had the experience to build the military ship.

BTW, i think after finishing the Type 001A, DL will start the construction of the second ship of the Type 002.

So after following the footprint of JN, they will eventually restore and improve their capability.

 

[aliaselin]

Why Hu Jintao gave the order of the Type 001A to Dalian shipyard? Since the initial plan was 001->002->003.

According to some big shrimps from HSH, it is to restore the shipbuilding capability of Dalian shipyard.

But most these guys including POP3 are from the area around Shanghai, do they hold a bias against Dalian Shipyard?

As with shipbuilding ability, you can find more information from 龙de船人 最具影响力的船舶与海洋工程社区网站-行业信息交流和技术交流最佳平台
After surfing on the forum for some time, in my view, Hudong Zhonghua may be the best shipyard, both from technique and management. Jiangnan Shipyard have better technique but not so good management. Dalian are inferior to these two but comparable. SWS have techniques but when considering military shipbuilding, they lack experience. Huangpu and GSI are far behind these top four, while Wuchang Shipyard is not a very good one, and it is behind many shipyards in China, some even do not belong to CSIC and CSSC.
However, this is only a global view, and some old state-owned shipyards have their own special skills, and the best example is Wuchang Shiyard - you should understand what I mean.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

As with shipbuilding ability, you can find more information from 龙de船人 最具影响力的船舶与海洋工程社区网站-行业信息交流和技术交流最佳平台
After surfing on the forum for some time, in my view, Hudong Zhonghua may be the best shipyard, both from technique and management. Jiangnan Shipyard have better technique but not so good management. Dalian are inferior to these two but comparable. SWS have techniques but when considering military shipbuilding, they lack experience. Huangpu and GSI are far behind these top four, while Wuchang Shipyard is not a very good one, and it is behind many shipyards in China, some even do not belong to CSIC and CSSC.
However, this is only a global view, and some old state-owned shipyards have their own special skills, and the best example is Wuchang Shiyard - you should understand what I mean.

That's pretty much like the information from POP3.

BTW, it is funny that the CD forum is mostly anti-SAC, while the HSH forum is mostly anti-DL.

But these two forums hate each other the most, while both got emboldened by some regionist element.

 

[aliaselin]

Hudong Zhonghua is limited by the Huangpu River, while SWS never had the experience to build the military ship.

BTW, i think after finishing the Type 001A, DL will start the construction of the second ship of the Type 002.

So after following the footprint of JN, they will eventually restore and improve their capability.

There are three production lines in Changxing Island. The 3rd one belongs to Jiangnan Shipyard, and 1st one belongs to Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard. So this a not problem. As to SWS, you can consider it as subsidiary of Jiangnan Shipyard.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

There are three production lines in Chongmingdao Island. The 3rd one belongs to Jiangnan Shipyard, and 1st one belongs to Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard. So this a not problem. As to SWS, you can consider it as subsidiary of Jiangnan Shipyard.

I think HD will assist JN in the production of the Type 002, since they both belong to CSSC.

But the old ship worker from Nanjing always considers SWS as the best candidate for the aircraft carrier builder, i just don't know he holds such view.

 

[aliaselin]

I think HD will assist JN in the production of the Type 002, since they both belong to CSSC.

But the old ship worker from Nanjing always considers SWS as the best candidate for the aircraft carrier builder, i don't just know he holds such view.

One of my classmate who worked in Shanhaiguan Shipyard also considered SWS as the best shipyard for civil use. So I think this may be the common view inside the industry, and what they lack is experience.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

One of my classmate who worked in Shanhaiguan Shipyard also considered SWS as the best shipyard for civil use. So I think this may be the common view inside the industry, and what they lack is experience.

The moderators from CD claim that the Type 001A was started in last year, while the old shipyard worker from Nanjing went to Dalian shipyard in the January, and he has filmed and proved the construction has not started yet.

Which claim is more reliable?