CV-17 Shandong - Type 002 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[nang2]

I guess it is getting harder to take pictures. Good for national security, bad for fanboy's craving.

 

[TaiShang]

China's 2nd aircraft carrier totally different from Liaoning
CRI, January 3, 2016

A photo shows the training of China's first aircraft carrier. [Photo: t.people.com.cn]


Military observers in China are suggesting the new Chinese aircraft carrier currently under construction is going to be quite different from the country's first vessel.

Chinese officials, in confirming the construction of the new aircraft carrier, say its going to be based fully on Chinese needs and designs.

The new aircraft carrier is going to be run on a conventional power plant, and will be designed to accomodate the domestically-developed J-15 fighter jets.

China's Ministry of Defense says the design of the country's second aircraft carrier has been made from the lessons and experience gleaned from the testing done on the "Liaoning."

The "Liaoning" is China's first aircraft carrier.

It is former Soviet-designed carrier purchased from Ukraine in 2012.

Cao Weidong with the Chinese Navy's Academic Research Institute says virtually everything on the new Chinese-designed aircraft carrier is going to be different from the "Liaoning."

"It's going to have a brand new propulsion system, as well as an independently-designed hull that will be built with Chinese-developed special steel. There is no doubt that its interior structure will be totally different from the Liaoning's."

Cao Weidong says the new aircraft carrier is the latest step in China's establishment of a 'blue water' navy.

"China's naval strategy has seen a significant change from inshore a defense strategy to escort missions on the high seas. The deployment of the new aircraft carrier will make the PLA navy more capable of conducting escort missions and protecting waterways along the 21st century maritime Silk Road."

The Chinese military observer also says the new aircraft carrier is going to be well armed.

"Weapon systems, such as China's latest phased array radar, short-range anti-aircraft missiles and quick-firing cannons will be installed on the new ship. It's likely the new carrier is also going to have an upgraded communication system."

Cao Weidong says the launch of the new aircraft carrier will also give the Chinese Navy an upper hand when it comes to maritime disputes.

It's expected the carrier will still employ a so-called "ski-jump" ramp to allow the J-15 fighter jets to take off.

US-produced carriers employ a catapult system to launch their fighter jets.

At this point, there is still no timetable for the new ship's entry into service.

 

[Beidou2020]

China is now preparing to start construction on the 3rd aircraft carrier (type 002).

 

[magic-007]

China is now preparing to start construction on the 3rd aircraft carrier (type 002).

It is now building 3rd reportly and we believe will see it in the near future

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

China is now preparing to start construction on the 3rd aircraft carrier (type 002).

Really. China uses the pyramid method of construction and if it is true then we will soon see some images on the internet soon. This one is supposed to be designed with an EMAL catapult system.

Should be an interesting years for all the military enthusiasts like me.

 

[Beidou2020]

Really. China uses the pyramid method of construction and if it is true then we will soon see some images on the internet soon. This one is supposed to be designed with an EMAL catapult system.

Should be an interesting years for all the military enthusiasts like me.

The type 002 will be a conventional flattop with 70,000 tons with 4 steam catapults.

Type 003 will be nuclear powered with 110,000 tons with 4 EMALS. Type 003 hasn't started construction yet.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

The type 002 will be a conventional flattop with 70,000 tons with 4 steam catapults.

Type 003 will be nuclear powered with 110,000 tons with 4 EMALS. Type 003 hasn't started construction yet.

I believe China will skip the steam catapult system altogether and jump straight into EMAL catapult system.

I have yet to see a version of steam catapult system by the Chinese in the net.

As for the powerplant for type 001 I read somewhere that they will be using the indigenous R0110 gas turbines.

The R0110 gas turbine

 

[tranquilium]

I believe China will skip the steam catapult system altogether and jump straight into EMAL catapult system.

I have yet to see a version of steam catapult system by the Chinese in the net.

As for the powerplant for type 001 I read somewhere that they will be using the indigenous R0110 gas turbines.

The R0110 gas turbine

CCTV-4 new did report that Chinese military spokes person mentioned that "the technological preparation for catapult system is already done." The new did not mention the specific type of the catapult system, though it is implied it will deployed for the third carrier.

I am not surprised the second carrier is significantly different from Liaoning. When Liaoning is initially purchased, it is a simply the stripped bottom hull of an USSR Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier. It is specifically for the purpose of experimenting with carrier construction techniques and designs. Now the Chinese navy have the experience, it is only natural the new carrier is something closer suited to the actual needs of PLAN.

 

[Sasquatch]

Will the Type 001A still put limitations on the J-15 ? PLA should get rid of the conservative mindset into more risk and reward one would be more beneficial having the focus on the Type 002. @ChineseTiger1986 ?

 

[Beidou2020]

Will the Type 001A still put limitations on the J-15 ? PLA should get rid of the conservative mindset into more risk and reward one would be more beneficial having the focus on the Type 002. @ChineseTiger1986 ?

Exactly.

Wasting all that time building an outdated carrier (type 001A) with severe limitations. China should start with Type 002 which is a flattop conventional carrier with steam catapults.

Until that conservative mindset is changed, I don't foresee China ever surpassing the US technologically.

It basically comes down to country A being risk takers vs country B being risk averse. Country A will always win despite a few hiccups along the way.

Just look how slow and risk averse China's space program is. How many manned missions have there been altogether?

 

[Manidabest]

China's second aircraft carrier, which is now under construction, will focus on military operations rather than training and technological experiments, according to a senior military researcher.

"This carrier will have different missions than those for the Liaoning (the country's first aircraft carrier)," Senior Captain Zhang Junshe with the People's Liberation Army Naval Military Studies Research Institute told the official PLA Daily on Friday.

"We use the Liaoning to test the reliability and compatibility of systems on carriers, and to train personnel. The second carrier will mainly do what a genuine aircraft carrier is supposed to do: running combat patrols and delivering humanitarian aid."

Zhang said China urgently needs a second carrier, as the country is seeking to improve its defense systems and better safeguard national interests.

"The PLA needs at least three aircraft carriers. When it does, one can be on duty, one can train personnel, and the third can receive maintenance," he said.

China's second aircraft carrier is under construction in the coastal city of Dalian, Liaoning province, Defense Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun told a news conference in Beijing on Thursday.

The Liaoning was originally a Soviet-era vessel and received an extensive refit at a shipyard in Dalian before going into service in September 2012.

New technology

The new carrier has been designed in China and will have a displacement of 50,000 metric tons, a conventional power system, and will carry domestically developed J-15 fighter jets and other ship-borne aircraft, Yang said.

The ship will use a ski jump mode for launching fixed-wing aircraft, the same as the Liaoning, he added.

Zhang said the new carrier's three major systems－power and propulsion, electronic systems and weapons－will all be developed by China and will have better capabilities than those on the Liaoning.

He said China will consider developing a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier after it gains enough experience in operating such large vessels.

Chen Xuesong, a fellow researcher at the PLA Naval Military Studies Research Institute,said he believes the new carrier, which is being constructed in sections to be assembled later, will be a tough challenge for Chinese engineers.

Quality guarantee

"Although we have gained expertise and know-how from the Liaoning refit project, the new vessel will truly be the first time for us to design and build an aircraft carrier," he told China Daily. "Our engineers must make sure their structural design is good and guarantee the quality of the steel parts."

Beyond the second carrier, China is looking into a host of cutting-edge technologies that can be used on future vessels.

China Shipbuilding Industry Corp, which refitted the Liaoning and is building the second carrier, has been researching nuclear-powered ships since 2013.

Du Wenlong, a senior researcher at the PLA Academy of Military Science, previously has said that it is highly possible that the navy's next-generation aircraft carrier will be equipped with nuclear propulsion.

China already has nuclear submarines that require highly sophisticated technologies and manufacturing capabilities, so developing a nuclear carrier will not be difficult, he said.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

China should make 5 , as it needs 3 for training and 1 for local shores and 1 for global peace missions

 

[Kyle Sun]

Exactly.

Wasting all that time building an outdated carrier (type 001A) with severe limitations. China should start with Type 002 which is a flattop conventional carrier with steam catapults.

Until that conservative mindset is changed, I don't foresee China ever surpassing the US technologically.

It basically comes down to country A being risk takers vs country B being risk averse. Country A will always win despite a few hiccups along the way.

Just look how slow and risk averse China's space program is. How many manned missions have there been altogether?

That take our time. is the best way to get this done. We dont need to rush to the goal which is much more risky when we already reach 90%.

 

[nang2]

Exactly.

Wasting all that time building an outdated carrier (type 001A) with severe limitations. China should start with Type 002 which is a flattop conventional carrier with steam catapults.

Until that conservative mindset is changed, I don't foresee China ever surpassing the US technologically.

It basically comes down to country A being risk takers vs country B being risk averse. Country A will always win despite a few hiccups along the way.

Just look how slow and risk averse China's space program is. How many manned missions have there been altogether?

There is always a trade off between cost and benefit. I think it makes sense to have some cheap platforms to facilitate training. Hardware isn't the only consideration.

 

[xunzi]

Exactly.

Wasting all that time building an outdated carrier (type 001A) with severe limitations. China should start with Type 002 which is a flattop conventional carrier with steam catapults.

Until that conservative mindset is changed, I don't foresee China ever surpassing the US technologically.

It basically comes down to country A being risk takers vs country B being risk averse. Country A will always win despite a few hiccups along the way.

Just look how slow and risk averse China's space program is. How many manned missions have there been altogether?

It is not about risk averse, it is about taking steps and learning from the experience. If you skip a conventional carrier, you would not understand the pro & cons of operating such ship. There is always option to build nuclear carrier later on and make comparison with conventional carrier battle formation and doing such simulation is appropriate.