CV-17 Shandong - Type 002 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[Deino]

Patience .... I have no patience !!!!

 

[Keel]

It's said maiden launch date: April 23, 2017 - so slow!!

 

[samsara]

OPINIONS
With homemade aircraft carrier, Chinese navy may see major restructuring

China Military - Editor Huang Panyue - 2017-03-29

BEIJING, Mar. 29 (ChinaMil) -- China's first indigenous aircraft carrier has once again made headlines recently.

The Chinese navy may see a major restructuring after its homemade aircraft carrier enters into service, said Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo, a Chinese naval expert, in an interview.

Photos posted online this month indicated the aircraft carrier had been painted with red primer and was being equipped with radar and other facilities, Taiwan media reported on last Saturday.

The newest photos also showed its deck was being cleaned, the report said, adding that the carrier was quite likely be launched in water on April 23, the founding anniversary of the Chinese navy.

According to Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo, the online photos showed the domestic aircraft carrier’s island had been almost completed, installation of power systems and cabins in the lower part of the ship finished, and the deck already sealed.

The hull exterior was painted with red primer, an anti-fouling paint which is toxic, so the ship will not be left in open air for too long and will soon be launched in water, Yin explained.

According to Senior Captain Cao Weidong, another military expert from a naval institute of the PLA Navy, building a warship usually consists of three major phases: first, cutting steel plates, signaling the beginning of construction. Second, launching in water, meaning the hull is finished. Third, the ship enters into service.

There is still much work to do at the carrier's outfitting stage after its launching. Then functional debugging for its devices will be carried out before a trial on the sea, Cao said.

Some foreign media reports speculated that Chinese navy’s capability would exceed the US navy in West Pacific in the next two to three decades.

In response, Yin said Chinese navy’s structure will see significant changes after the aircraft carrier enters into service, i.e. the aircraft carrier formation will become the core of the surface force.

Nevertheless, China will not seek development on such a large scale as that of the US navy, which has 11 aircraft carrier formations, Yin said.

Foreign media reports often adopts a kind of “kill-with-flattery” tactic toward China when it comes to making comparisons between Chinese and US military forces, at the cost of compromising objectivity, Yin noted.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

OPINIONS
With homemade aircraft carrier, Chinese navy may see major restructuring

China Military - Editor Huang Panyue - 2017-03-29

BEIJING, Mar. 29 (ChinaMil) -- China's first indigenous aircraft carrier has once again made headlines recently.

The Chinese navy may see a major restructuring after its homemade aircraft carrier enters into service, said Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo, a Chinese naval expert, in an interview.

Photos posted online this month indicated the aircraft carrier had been painted with red primer and was being equipped with radar and other facilities, Taiwan media reported on last Saturday.

The newest photos also showed its deck was being cleaned, the report said, adding that the carrier was quite likely be launched in water on April 23, the founding anniversary of the Chinese navy.

According to Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo, the online photos showed the domestic aircraft carrier’s island had been almost completed, installation of power systems and cabins in the lower part of the ship finished, and the deck already sealed.

The hull exterior was painted with red primer, an anti-fouling paint which is toxic, so the ship will not be left in open air for too long and will soon be launched in water, Yin explained.

According to Senior Captain Cao Weidong, another military expert from a naval institute of the PLA Navy, building a warship usually consists of three major phases: first, cutting steel plates, signaling the beginning of construction. Second, launching in water, meaning the hull is finished. Third, the ship enters into service.

There is still much work to do at the carrier's outfitting stage after its launching. Then functional debugging for its devices will be carried out before a trial on the sea, Cao said.

Some foreign media reports speculated that Chinese navy’s capability would exceed the US navy in West Pacific in the next two to three decades.

In response, Yin said Chinese navy’s structure will see significant changes after the aircraft carrier enters into service, i.e. the aircraft carrier formation will become the core of the surface force.

Nevertheless, China will not seek development on such a large scale as that of the US navy, which has 11 aircraft carrier formations, Yin said.

Foreign media reports often adopts a kind of “kill-with-flattery” tactic toward China when it comes to making comparisons between Chinese and US military forces, at the cost of compromising objectivity, Yin noted.

Hear hear the last paragraph.

@cirr @Shotgunner51 @AndrewJin

This is also happening in technology. The Bull shit report on quantum that both cirr and Shotgunner51 cited was a propaganda piece to get the Congress to shill out more money for research.

The overplaying threat and capabilities of adversary is a long time tool employed by Americans both at individual level and in groups.

It is so sad however that flattery still gets to Chinese members here.

 

[samsara]

Outfitting work on China's first self-produced aircraft carrier 'going smoothly'

By Wang Xuejing - CGTN - 2017-03-30 16:45 GMT+8

The outfitting process of China’s first self-produced aircraft carrier is underway, Defense Ministry spokesperson Wu Qian said at a regular press briefing on Thursday.

Wu made the remark when asked for the latest news about China’s first domestically produced aircraft carrier, which will also be the country’s second carrier after the Liaoning.

There have been reports saying the carrier will be launched on the national Navy Day on April 23, on which the People’s Liberation Army of China (PLA) is expected to celebrate the founding of its naval army.

In response to the report, Wu said it would not take long for further “good news” to be announced.

Military experts told CGTN that the new naval vessel will be China's first combat-ready carrier, and is likely to be based somewhere near the South China Sea to handle “complicated situations” with the United States. The Liaoning would likely remain a training ship for future carrier crews.‍

The Liaoning, a renovated former Soviet ship originally launched in 1988, entered PLA service in 2012.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d55544f31497a4d/share_p.html

 

[onebyone]

First China-built carrier on target for April 23 launch

The fit-out will continue for some time before the 70,000-tonne pride of the navy is commissioned


PUBLISHED : Thursday, 30 March, 2017, 11:56pm
UPDATED : Thursday, 30 March, 2017, 11:57pm

China’s defence ministry has confirmed that the country’s first locally built aircraft carrier has entered its final stage of construction before the hull is launched, which media reports suggest could be as early as April 23, the founding anniversary of the navy.

“China’s first home-built aircraft carrier is now being fitted out, everything is going very smoothly,” defence ministry spokesman Wu Qian said on Thursday when asked about the carrier’s upcoming launch.

“Regarding the news [about wether the ship will be launched in time for the navy’s anniversary] I believe you won’t have to wait too long.”

No advanced jet launch system for China’s third aircraft carrier, experts say

Earlier this week, mainland media reported that the carrier, temporarily named the Type 001A, would be launched on April 23, the 68th anniversary of the founding of the People’s Liberation Army Navy.

Citing sources close to the navy, the South China Morning Post earlier this week reported that President Xi Jinping might attend the launch.

The new carrier will be similar to the Liaoning, China’s first carrier which was refurbished from the half-completed carrier Varyag that Beijing bought from Ukraine in 1998. It will also be equipped with a ski-jump take-off ramp.

However, Beijing-based naval expert Li Jie said the layout, equipment and overall operational concept of the Type 001A would be more advanced and functional than the Liaoning.

According to Li, certain weapons were excluded from the Type 001A platform to allow the ship to park more J-15 fighter jets. The hangar was also being expanded to allow the new carrier to carry between six and eight more J-15s than the Liaoning.

“The ongoing fit-out is preliminary to the carrier’s launch. Other follow-up work will be carried out after the giant ship enters the water,” Li said.

“It’s a complicated and huge project to move such a huge hull from land to sea.

China building navy’s biggest amphibious assault vessel, sources say

“Many key weapons and pipelines will be installed after the launch, to prevent the equipment from being damaged while the ship is being moved.”

Compared with the Liaoning, the Type 001A could carry more helicopters and fixed-wing early-warning aircraft, Li said. The country’s most advanced S-band radars and four batteries of HQ-10 short-range air defence missiles with 24 tubes each would also deployed on the new ship, Li said.

The HQ-10 missile system is mounted on the navy’s most advanced Type 052D destroyers and Type 056 frigates, while the S-band radar system is capable of covering a 360-degree search field to scout dozens of targets in the air and at sea.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...st-china-built-carrier-target-april-23-launch

 

[Deino]

Hmmm ... come on !
Navy Day on April 23 is a perfect day.

https://twitter.com/x/status/847790062251134977

 

[grey boy 2]

updates

 

[homing28]

 

[grey boy 2]

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Awesome pictures, thanks for sharing

 

[samsara]

https://twitter.com/x/status/848290330986369024

The Type-001A aircraft carrier at night.
It has already been 16 years since the Hainan Island incident in 2001(*).

https://twitter.com/x/status/848199282851053572

(*) The Hainan Island incident refers to the incident of a mid-air collision between a USN EP-3E ARIES II signals intelligence aircraft conducted air surveillance near China and a PLAN J-8II interceptor fighter jet on April 1, 2001, costed the live of Lt. Cdr. Wang Wei, posthumously honored in China as a "Guardian of Territorial Airspace and Waters".

 

[gambit]

Hear hear the last paragraph.

@cirr @Shotgunner51 @AndrewJin

This is also happening in technology. The Bull shit report on quantum that both cirr and Shotgunner51 cited was a propaganda piece to get the Congress to shill out more money for research.

The overplaying threat and capabilities of adversary is a long time tool employed by Americans both at individual level and in groups.

It is so sad however that flattery still gets to Chinese members here.

Not just US, but everybody. You have to overestimate. Any homeowner must, upon seeing one intruder, assume that there could be another. If you see the shadow of something with length, do you assume a stick or the barrel of a shotgun ? Military history is filled with events where one side underestimated its opponent.

Chinese Defense Ministry Foreign Affairs Office Major General Qian Lihua said: "The navy of any great power has the dream to have one or more aircraft carriers. The question is not whether you have an aircraft carrier, but what you do with your aircraft carrier".

I am not making this up...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7732679.stm

The implication is serious and clear: That a one-carrier navy is essentially a 'showboat' carrier navy.

You may not like the derogatory tinge but that is the reality of power projection and worse -- war. General Qian made that implication yrs before the Liaoning was commissioned.

At its core, naval airpower is the delivery of the military's most potent weapon -- airpower -- to an area outside of home support. A single hull navy is predictable, you know where he will be and where he is going to land. No different with a navy that have only one aircraft carrier, you know where his extraterritorial airpower is heading and where it will be employed. A two-carrier navy is more difficult to predict, and more so with a navy that have multiple carriers fleets. Not even restrictive waters like the Mediterranean Sea is immune from multi-front naval airpower assaults. One way or another, that adversary will find air assault avenues in that restrictive body of water.

China is looking to at least control -- if not outright own -- the South China Sea region. The size of the Liaoning and her coming sister carriers will serve China's plan for the SCS very well. While these ships are not of the 'super carrier' class, each will not require as much escorts and support as the American super carriers, making each fleet quicker to respond to any potential threat in the SCS, especially when China's potential naval challengers in the region are essentially coastal, not quite open water navies.

The US is overplaying China's threat and capabilities ? Try also Viet Nam, Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia, and even Australia in this mix.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Not just US, but everybody. You have to overestimate. Any homeowner must, upon seeing one intruder, assume that there could be another. If you see the shadow of something with length, do you assume a stick or the barrel of a shotgun ? Military history is filled with events where one side underestimated its opponent.

Chinese Defense Ministry Foreign Affairs Office Major General Qian Lihua said: "The navy of any great power has the dream to have one or more aircraft carriers. The question is not whether you have an aircraft carrier, but what you do with your aircraft carrier".

I am not making this up...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7732679.stm

The implication is serious and clear: That a one-carrier navy is essentially a 'showboat' carrier navy.

You may not like the derogatory tinge but that is the reality of power projection and worse -- war. General Qian made that implication yrs before the Liaoning was commissioned.

At its core, naval airpower is the delivery of the military's most potent weapon -- airpower -- to an area outside of home support. A single hull navy is predictable, you know where he will be and where he is going to land. No different with a navy that have only one aircraft carrier, you know where his extraterritorial airpower is heading and where it will be employed. A two-carrier navy is more difficult to predict, and more so with a navy that have multiple carriers fleets. Not even restrictive waters like the Mediterranean Sea is immune from multi-front naval airpower assaults. One way or another, that adversary will find air assault avenues in that restrictive body of water.

China is looking to at least control -- if not outright own -- the South China Sea region. The size of the Liaoning and her coming sister carriers will serve China's plan for the SCS very well. While these ships are not of the 'super carrier' class, each will not require as much escorts and support as the American super carriers, making each fleet quicker to respond to any potential threat in the SCS, especially when China's potential naval challengers in the region are essentially coastal, not quite open water navies.

The US is overplaying China's threat and capabilities ? Try also Viet Nam, Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia, and even Australia in this mix.

I don't think that Malaysians, Indonesians, or even Australians play up china threat. China has very cordial relations with Malaysia and Indonesia at least.

Also, I would say for its most immediate goals, aircraft carriers are not really required by China. All major hotspots of trouble are actually quite close to land bases of China.

One can very easily project force upto at least 500 km from land bases.

 

[gambit]

I don't think that Malaysians, Indonesians, or even Australians play up china threat. China has very cordial relations with Malaysia and Indonesia at least.

Cordial does not mean they are not suspicious of China's motives. No one is denying the fact that China is trying to control the SCS. Even you is dancing around that issue.

Also, I would say for its most immediate goals, aircraft carriers are not really required by China. All major hotspots of trouble are actually quite close to land bases of China.

This is about long term goals.

One can very easily project force upto at least 500 km from land bases.

As much as I am a proponent of airpower, the reality is that airpower is not persistent. For the seas, you need naval airpower.

 

[ChineseToTheBone]

Has the displacement tonnage for this new aircraft carrier been officially revealed yet? I had assumed it will be the same as the Liaoning, but the figures I saw reported online have been all over the place. Just about every number between 50,000 tonnes up to 70,000 tonnes can be found.