CV-17 Shandong - Type 002 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[lcloo]

A new photo from different angle.

 

[Deino]

You must remember CV-16 Liaoning is based on old varyag design , large number of space below deck is not used for storing aircraft. And Chinese did not really major overhaul it.

Type001A will be a true carrier which design with maximizing space for aircraft storage. I am sure it can at least double the amount of aircraft carry compare to CV-16.

Again ... can You explain how to "double" the number of aircraft if You don't have the double space available ??
Just look at internal diagrams of the Lioaning and even if there might be soome space left and saved or reused differently, given the often stated maximum capacity of 36 aircraft and helicopter, there's simply no chance You can fit - and even more operate - 72 onboard the Type-001A; never.

Otherwise I would be glad if You could share some internal diagrams to illustrate Your claims.

Deino

 

[ahojunk]

New aircraft carrier's development in 'orderly progress'
(China.org.cn) 14:32, September 30, 2016

Senior Colonel Yang Yujun, spokesperson for China's Ministry of National Defense (MOD),
takes questions at a routine press briefing on Thursday. (Photo/China.org.cn)​

The development of China's next-generation aircraft carrier is in "orderly progress," confirmed Senior Colonel Yang Yujun, spokesperson for China's Ministry of National Defense (MOD), at a routine press briefing on Thursday.

Sr. Col. Yang did not directly address the issue of whether the vessel will adopt the much-anticipated catapult assisted takeoff device. He told China.org.cn that the Chinese military will publish such information in "due course."

A recent online photo shows a PLA Navy's carrier-borne J-15 fighter jet with reinforced front landing gear, which keen military fans and experts interpreted as a sign that China has been testing catapults to install on their third aircraft carrier.

Sea-borne aircraft to be launched by a catapult takes extra force during takeoff, meaning reinforced front landing gear is essential.

The MOD official's remark was the first official response to the public's curiosity over the assisted takeoff device for the new aircraft carrier.

The catapult system is a more advanced assisted takeoff device than the ski-takeoff system, because it features higher efficiency and makes better use of the already limited space on a carrier's flight deck.

There is also a wide belief that China's next-generation aircraft carrier will adopt a cutting-edge electromagnetic catapult system, bypassing a steam one commonly used in U.S. aircraft carriers.

 

[Penguin]

Same hull body, different bulbous bow, different radars and subcomponent , different compartment designs and possibility of different power plant.

Liaoning Is an experimental testbed and training ship for crew and pilots. 001A is combat missioned.

There is no reason to not see Liaoning as a fully functioning combat capable ship. Especially if there aren't any real structural differences with the new one 001A

I don't understand why the Chinese are still stuck with the skip jump design! It's an inferior design, it has too many drawbacks.

Perhaps a functioning, proven ski-jump equipped carrier is better than an unproven, and in that sense experimental, catapult design. For now.

 

[terranMarine]

China grasps main steam-powered catapult technologies

BEIJING, Sept. 30 (ChinaMil) –Chinese military expert Li Jie said on September 28 that China had basically grasped the main technologies of steam-powered catapult, but what kind of catapult will be used on China's second or third aircraft carrier is undecided yet.

News about China's aircraft carrier has made headline on foreign media lately. While many focused on the fact that China's first home-made aircraft carrier has completed island installation and the main body is about to be completed, the American technology magazine Popular Mechanics published an article on September 27, saying that China is imitating the catapult-assisted takeoff system of American aircraft carriers, especially electromagnetic catapult, which will impose immense impacts on the West Pacific region.

According to the article, for nearly sixty years, the U.S. Navy fighters have launched from aircraft carrier decks with steam-powered catapults. These catapults were created for carriers because they can safely accelerate large aircraft with big payloads.

Catapult-Assisted Take-Off But Arrested Recovery (CATOBAR) operations soon became the norm for the U.S. Navy and a handful of its allies.

It is reported that although CATOBAR is powerful, it is expensive. So several navies— including Britain, Russia, Spain, and India—have adopted a similar but cheaper launch system called Short Take-Off But Arrested Recovery (STOBAR) for chucking planes airborne, and China's aircraft carrier Liaoning uses ski-jump takeoff method.

It is said that China is developing its own CATOBAR system, which has been confirmed in many ways including photos from mid-September of a Shenyang J-15 Flying Shark carrier-borne fighter. Attached to the fighter is what looks like a catapult "launch bar" on its nose wheel, which hooks up to the catapult during launch, according to the report.

USNI News also published airborne photos of a launch bar-equipped J-15 last week, sourcing a Chinese-language website. These images join others published in 2014 by IHS Jane's 360 of a launch bar-equipped J-15 on the ground.

According to the website of USNI NEWS, the carrier-borne fighter will be tested with land-based CATOBAR facility. Satellite imagery shows that the facility has been under construction at Huangdicun Airbase in Liaoning Province since late 2014 or early 2015.

Analysts also think there are two 460-foot-long catapults under construction on the northeastern corner of the same airbase. One of the catapults appears to be a conventional steam catapult, and the other an equivalent to the American Navy's Electromagnetic Aircraft Launching System (EMALS).

Popular Mechanics analyzed that if so, China is building a rough equivalent of the U.S. Navy's land-based carrier deck testing facility. The magazine also held that the Chinese PLA Navy wants these aircraft to expand the capability of its carrier air wings and its status as the power in the western Pacific.

The J-15 fighter jet equipped with launch-bar, as well as the CATOBAR testing facilities, demonstrates that China's goal could be coming into focus, according to the report.

Chinese military expert Li Jie said on September 28 that China had basically grasped the main technologies of steam-powered catapult.

Ma Weiming, an academician from the PLA Navy, once said some of China's electromagnetic catapult technologies were in no way inferior to America's. It's clear that China is advancing the development of carrier catapults smoothly, but apart from work for the catapult itself, its installation on the carrier will involve other issues such as power and system integration, all of which require further demonstration.

According to Li Jie, what kind of catapult will be used on China's second or third aircraft carrier is undecided yet.

It would be best if electromagnetic catapult could be used directly, but applying steam catapult first would be a wise and rational choice since we have a better grasp of this technology, Li Jie said.

Even the US hasn't completely grasped electromagnetic catapult technology yet and tests are still under way. Meanwhile, what type of ship-borne fighter will be adopted to match the catapult is another key factor, according to Li Jie.

Only J-15 is available for testing now, but it's quite heavy and its body was originally designed for ski-jump takeoff, so CATO will be a major challenge for it, Li Jie said.

 

[lcloo]

Liaoning is certainly combat capable as any ac of similar class. I was talking about her present role which is focusing on training.

I believe most of the experimental tasks are completed and will be applied to design improvements of 001A and 002. So in this respect her experimental role is diminishing but not over yet.

Bear in mind that Liaoning will still be training air and deck crews not only for herself but also 001A, and may be for future aircraft carriers as well (002 and beyond).

China's policy is to train the crews, get them ready before the ships get commissioned . Liaoning will be pretty busy in this task. However, if a war broke out, she will be combat ready. After all, the trainers are always better than their students.

 

[grey boy 2]

updates

 

[nang2]

no photo yet. second half has been installed. these guys don't even take a break during national day holiday.

 

[Deino]

no photo yet. second half has been installed. these guys don't even take a break during national day holiday.

Maybe this one ??

 

[nang2]

Maybe this one ??

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yeah, I saw it, too. quite unclear. let's wait for HD versions.

 

[Brainsucker]

Liaoning is certainly combat capable as any ac of similar class. I was talking about her present role which is focusing on training.

I believe most of the experimental tasks are completed and will be applied to design improvements of 001A and 002. So in this respect her experimental role is diminishing but not over yet.

Bear in mind that Liaoning will still be training air and deck crews not only for herself but also 001A, and may be for future aircraft carriers as well (002 and beyond).

China's policy is to train the crews, get them ready before the ships get commissioned . Liaoning will be pretty busy in this task. However, if a war broke out, she will be combat ready. After all, the trainers are always better than their students.

No. Losing the trainers before you can produce a lot of students mean that you'll lose the skill. That's a very dangerous decision if they ever do that. Don't do what the Japanese did in WW2. they were utterly stupid by sending their best Ace to their death. So sooner or later, they lost a lot of capable pilots (a.k.a lost the skill) While the US brought back their best Ace to teach new pilots. So they got more and more good pilots.

Maybe this one ??

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So the island is not that small as we thought previously?

 

[艹艹艹]

 

[Deino]

Hmmm ... only an enlarged cut-out of Yours above.

 

[grey boy 2]

 

[rashid.sarwar]

didn't they built it very fast.........
May be in less than a year the shape is coming out.....

So why the steam or magnetic catapult are not used?