Current Tensions in Xinjiang-China

[aimarraul]

^ Ya 10% growth, excellent..carry on

Glory of Roman Empire was achieved on the sufferings of slaves too.

chinese enjoy to be “slaves”,that's probably why we lost 50 million lives in WW2，enjoy your free lives as well.

 

[applesauce]

they did arrest 1400 people, plus open fire on the crowds yea that'll be a field day for western media. however i do agree there were signs that they should have caught up on. but again this is not the first time someone has missed an impotent piece of information... think 9/11 read up it and u'll see there were readily identifiable signs like people with links to terrorists being allow to take flight training. and about india's Special forces.... mumbai attack.... enough said.

 

[applesauce]

It is on the basis of thei Historical claim, that Pakistan ceded to China a part of Kashmiri territory that China had claimed.

However, the issue is not about seperatism in Xinjiang, but the treatment of the Uighur community of Xinjiang.

They should have equal rights and opportunities as Chinese Han. A Uighur cannot go to South East China, and register as a citizen, yet the demographics of Xinjiang have been altered by incentivised migration.

Considering all the natural resources that the Center extracts from Xinjian, the Uighurs of xinjiang at least desrve a proper education and access to jobs. People are only interested in bettering their lives and those of their children, the Uighurs are no different.

Comparing their human aspirations with the intentions of terrorists, and using the Han Chinese communities there as a hammer to beat them when they ask for equal rights as chinese citizens is a big mistake by the authorities, and may exacerbate the problem to the extent that seperatist feeling could take root.

ummm they do have rights to education and employment, they can choose to go to a normal chinese school like every other chinese person or they can choose to go to their own minority school...and then the reason they do not get employed as much is mainly because but the language and some extent cultural barrier, why hire someone you cant communicate well with? and who the hell says they cant be a citizen of china?

anyways yes, demographics of Xinjiang have been altered by incentivised migration but again that is part of the go "west" plan but mainly what the uighurs are complaining about aside from culture blab, blab, is that they arnt the ones getting the jobs...

also as much as they may hate it the best way right now for them to "better their lives and those of their children " is to become a part of chinese society i know they may hate this but that way they will have equal chance as everyone else to work and live rather that riot will will only hinder development. liek someone once said, you win some you lose some, fact of life.

also they are not labled as terrorists only the east Turkmenistan seperatist movement is, use of suicide bombs and other terrorist acts constitutes a terrorist

again in the end they do have as much rights as every other chinese person in fact they have more than an average han person the root problem is their refusal to become a part of modern chinese sociaty, if they did, it will only benefit them. but they dont see it that way it is all about us, us, us to them where as the central government is more incline to view the nation as a whole because most of the people agree the nation must be worked on as a whole.(not including tibet, xinjiang, and taiwan) however the way that opening up to the west and capitalism work is that some parts of the country will be richer than others ie: the eastern seaboard , but this is the reason why the "go west" plan was created: to better distribute the wealth

 

[applesauce]

^ Ya 10% growth, excellent..carry on

Glory of Roman Empire was achieved on the sufferings of slaves too.

please, growth of china's economy is dubbed a economic miracle and unprecedented in the history of the world something ur country would beg to achieve.

then again, better a slave with food water and shelter rather than a staving dehydrated fool with no toilet.

with that said lets see ur country lift its 400 million plus out of poverty before you open ur mouth okay

 

[applesauce]

Off Topic

What was the real reason behind Tiananmen Square Incident ?

short version

student protests for democracy, kinda like what happened in east europe, at first the authorities let it happen then as more and more people joined the government started to worry, seeing as how the situation in east Europe and other communist countries are like. so they tried to clear the area out and get people to go home but the students wouldn't budge so martial law was declared, a lot of people left when the troops came in but some hardcore people stayed and then the tanks started rolling in and they started to shoot, in the end a bunch of people died, the west went nuts about it, sanctions were place, that video of the tank guy was made. in the end the government justified the crack down with the economic miracle that followed.

 

[aimarraul]

minority school for Uighurs

minority school for Tibetan

 

[sob]

This is a typical riot that has happened in China. The reasons are primarily economic with religious/ethnic undertones.

Due to the ham handed attitude of the PRC authorities, banning press, censoring internet, the situation has blown up on the face of the authorities. Now the situation is such that if they do something they are damned and if they sit back they are still damned.

An absence of democratic institutions, a free press, NGOs etc has led to the tense stand off which is nowhere under control.

 

[pmukherjee]

Ah but have you ever wondered why that America, Canada, Australia and Europe don't have that problem ?

Too much of a coincidence i'd say !

Yeah and the Basque separatists(ETA) and IRA operate in the Antartica right? Not to mention the Red October. Of course America does not have problems with the native Americans or Red Indians as they killed them all, likewise with the aboriginies in Australia. Tell me what is common to America, Canada and Australia? They are lands colonised by the Europeans. Mainly British but also French, German and some Spanish. The settlers either killed off or drove away the indigenous population and created settlements. How do you reconcile separatism with such homogenous population? Asia on the other hand was already populated when the Europeans arrived for exploitation and profiteering. Much of the instability in Asia and Africa is due to lack of application of mind and gross insensitivity on the part of the Europeans when they drew international borders. It would be better to get one's facts right before making sweeping statements.

 

[applesauce]

i do feel that maybe the government can do more, people need to vent, better to talk sh1t on the internet than going around murdering people

 

[oct605032048]

Ah but have you ever wondered why that America, Canada, Australia and Europe don't have that problem ?

Too much of a coincidence i'd say !

because the native people in these countries_____indians for example had been killed and their culture erased by the 'settlers'.

maybe the party boss in zhongnanhai should do the same.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Unrest in Xinjiang: Where’s the Muslim outrage?

Muslims around the world have largely remained silent about last week's deadly riots between Han Chinese and Uighurs. What makes this case of 'oppression' of Muslims different than others?

By Matthew Clark | 07.13.09

Shhhh! I think I just heard a pin drop.

Nope. It’s just more deafening silence from the Muslim Street in the wake of last week’s ethnic riot that killed more than 184 in China’s restive Xinjiang Province, home to the Uighurs, a Muslim minority group.

According to the Chinese government, the majority of the victims in the riot were Han Chinese, attacked by Uighurs who’ve complained for decades about being marginalized, abused, neglected, and oppressed ever since former Communist leader Mao Zedong launched a campaign to flood Xinjiang with Han Chinese in 1960s. But many of the victims were Uighurs, too, and thousands of Uighurs were arrested as a result of the melee. Many could face execution.

China also closed mosques last week – just one of many strict limits on freedom of expression in Xinjiang.

It’s the kind of stuff that would arouse passionate protests if a Western country were the one cracking down. (Remember the apoplectic protests over the Danish cartoon of Prophet Muhammad?)

But there were no Chinese flags burned in Karachi. No effigies of Hu Jintao smoldered in Cairo. No “Death to China” chants echoed through the streets of Tehran.

Not that the Monitor would ever be in favor of such protests against any country. But why does it seem as though there such a different reponse for China?

The Uighurs’ spiritual leader, Rebiya Kadeer (profiled here by the Monitor’s Beijing Bureau Chief Peter Ford), has some ideas.

“So far the Islamic world is silent about the Uighurs’ suffering because the Chinese authorities have been very successful in [their] propaganda to the Muslim world … that the Uighurs are extremely pro-west Muslims - that they are modern Muslims, not genuine Muslims,” she said at a press conference Monday in Washington.

Ms. Kadeer contrasted a lack of action from Muslim countries with the support Uighurs get from Western democracies and called on Muslim nations to do more.

Turkey drops the G-word

Days later, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan called the situation “genocide” and thousands of Turks protested China’s treatment of Uighurs on Sunday. Turks share ethnic and cultural bonds with the Turkic-speaking Uighurs, so the support in Turkey goes beyond sympathy for fellow Muslims allegedly being oppressed by non-believers.

Iran’s clerics speak out

Iranian critics are starting to get into the act, too.

Grand Ayatollah Nasser Makarem Shirazi, a high-level cleric, demanded that Iran’s foreign ministry quickly condemn what he described as the Chinese government’s “horrible” backing of “racist Han Chinese.”

The news website Tabnak, backed by, Mohsen Rezai, conservative challenger of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, accused the government of hypocrisy in ignoring violence against fellow Muslims: “When Israel was striking Gaza, state radio and television aired round-the-clock reports and analyses about the massacre of Muslims, but now only short reports are heard. . . . During the Israeli invasion of Gaza, nearly 1,000 died in 20 days – or 50 per day. In China’s riots, nearly 100 Muslims were killed in a day. Our government is silent regarding clear carnage.”

But, by and large, the Muslim Street has been just as silent.

A plea from the Palestinian territories

“Muslims around the world have an absolute religious, moral, and human duty to identify with their oppressed brothers and sisters in [Xinjiang],” journalist Khalid Amayreh in an opinion piece on Islam Online, comparing the Uighurs’ plight to that of the Palestinians. “Muslims, as the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said, must never betray or abandon other Muslims, especially in time of distress. Unfortunately, however, Muslim states and Muslim peoples alike have been largely silent in the face of these atrocities in [Xinjiang].”

Will this change? We’ll see.

Unrest in Xinjiang: Where’s the Muslim outrage? | csmonitor.com

 

[AirforcePilot]

^^^^ I think ALL countries should speak out and demand an end to the violence inflicted on the Uighurs by the Chinese government.

 

[Patriot]

^^^^ I think ALL countries should speak out and demand an end to the violence inflicted on the Uighurs by the Chinese government.

lol, what about the violence caused by illegal invasion of Iraq by United States?If anything Chinese government is trying to stop violence..You sound like John Mccain when he said that nations dont invade other sovergion nations in 21st century(Russian Invasion of Georgia) OTOH, he himself was biggest advocate of Iran invasion,.

 

[gpit]

Unrest in Xinjiang: Where’s the Muslim outrage?

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Turkey drops the G-word

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Turky itself is the biggest G, killed about 1.5 million Armenians...and still denies it.

Armenian Genocide in Turkey 1915


Before the beginning of World War 1, about 2,5 million Armenians had been living in the Ottoman empire but in 1923, after the end of the war and final annihilation of Armenians, only a very few Armenians ( 50,000 ) were living in Istanbul, in very deplorable conditions. But where did the others go?!
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Armenian Genocide in Turkey 1915

When a wolf prays for sheep...

 

[gpit]

About Rebiya Kadeer

Rebiya Kadeer was born in 1951 in Altai City at the foot of the mountain Altai, Xinjiang. At the age of 14, she married to a family in South Xinjiang. In 11 years after the marriage, she gave birth to six children.

During the Cultural Revolution, because of selling child shoes and colored skirts, she was deemed as an “illegal speculator” and publicly paraded. She and her husband were thus divorced.

After opening-up policy around 1978, she rented a small place in Urumqi and started her business career. After 10 years hard work, she was once estimated to be the richest woman in Xinjiang and the 8th riches in the country (Forbes). Reportedly she has received great deal of help from the government in her business success, for the latter wanted her to be a model for all Uighur women.

Rebiya married to her second husband Sidik Rouzi in 1981. Reportedly she put forth 3 requirements for her future husband after first divorce: 1) Must be graduated from a University; 2) Must be divorced and be abandoned by his former wife; 3) Must understand her and support her business.

Rebiya Kadeer was once celebrated as a model Uyghur businesswoman, and in 1995 her success won her a place in China's official delegation to the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing. In 1997 she was involved in creating the "Thousand Mothers Movement" - a forum promoting the rights of ethnic minority women, and creating employment opportunities for them. The forum was launched in Rebiya Kadeer's department store in Urumqi, and at a second meeting of the "Thousand Mothers Movement", she spoke about the power of women and her desire to help Uyghur mothers, many of whom wished to work to help sustain their families, but had no opportunity to do so. Rebiya Kadeer had also been an official member of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), a broad-based official body which includes representatives of the Chinese Communist Party, other official political parties, mass organizations and other key figures.

Rebiya was also a philanthropist who supported Uighur cultural activities and promoting education among minority children, especially girls.

The one thing that had changed in her life since the height of her success was that, in 1996, her second husband, Sidik Rouzi, fled to the United States and was granted political asylum. 1996 was when the ET got a full support from US government. ET forces claimed to “start in 96, make big in 97, and archieve full indepencednce in 2000”.

Sidik Rouzi was reportedly a univeristy teacher, a long time separatist promoter and a Han hater.

Reportedly Sidik Rouzi drafted an article and gave it to Rebiya, and she copied and renamed it to “To All American People”. She was arrested when she attempted to hand this to US delegate in Yindu Hotel, Urumqi.

In 1998, she was banned from re-election to the CPPCC, ostensibly because she had failed to condemn her husband's "separatist" activities in the USA. Sidik Rouzi works for Radio Free Asia.

Rabiya Kadeer has 5 children (out of total 11), 3 sisters, and a brother now live in the United States, in addition to her husband.

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The above info are from sources with opposite views, with obvious propaganda words removed. Some may not be upto date.

Perhaps it would serve her Uighurs better, if she did not take the confrontational position, but uses her political and economical power already established in China.

What do you think?