Culture wars: Pakistan to demand 4,500 old artefact back from India

[Levina]

That Says it all

Exactly!!!

 

[Djinn]

Lol
Were you not the one who said this
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and then comes this >
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You're contradicting yourself.

Actually it goes to show that despite being anti Muslim even they found modi to be a bigger EVIL and had to compromise, did you entirely miss OBL part..............You have been unable to prove squat. About Saudis all this proves is they will befriend anyone, which actually proves you wrong

 

[Levina]

About Saudis all this proves is they will befriend anyone, which actually proves you wrong

Tsk tsk
Why do you blame them and befriend them according to your convenience?
They have been very supportive of your claim on Kashmir.
If what you claim is right then they should have supported India on the K issue too.

despite being anti Muslim even they found modi to be a bigger EVIL

I call this confirmation bias.

 

[Pakistani E]

Someone tell the mighty superior minded Indians that me changing my religion does not change my DNA.

Look Indians, this is my DNA break down according to dna.land. Did changing my religion change my DNA to "Arabic" or thousands of years of history of my ancestors?

 

[Hyde]

Say, today you live in a house with your family, kids, your furniture's, etc. Tomorrow you move to a different house, then who will be the inheritor of your family, kids, furnitures, your family history, culture and heritage, you or the new owner of the house you left behind?

The history, culture, legacy, identity, heritage, and its artifacts of ancient Indian civilization (also known as IVC) are safely with us Indians, the true inheritors.

Pakistanis have already discarded and disowned all of it, now this kneejerk reaction to claim it is devoid of any basis.

More importantly, your radicals might be offended about this claim and put those artifacts into the risk of getting destroyed, if those are handed over to pakistan just for argument's sake.

You dig well in that house and the new owner of the house will inherit what is left over the land, the legacy will be passed onto the geranations regardless of its present occupier.

IVC is similar to digging a well that you don't carry with you when you are leaving the house. Its part of our culture and heritage

 

[Djinn]

Tsk tsk
Why do you blame them and befriend them according to your convenience?
They have been very supportive of your claim on Kashmir.
If what you claim is right then they should have supported India on the K issue..

Russia has been supportive of you as well and despite your GRIEVANCES they have been giving us weapons and consolidating military relations. International Relations are way more complex than your mere understating of 1+1 =2 equation. As i mentioned earlier your analogies are way too poor and completely out of context. Whatever sort of relations countries enjoy with Saudi's they are in noway a touchstone of International norm's.

I call this confirmation bias

I call this irrational conjecturing.

 

[Levina]

Russia has been supportive of you as well and despite your GRIEVANCES they have been giving us weapons and consolidating military relations

Thats fine with me as long as those weapons are not better than the ones India possesses. Lol

As i mentioned earlier your analogies are way too poor and completely out of context.

Yes superman, you're the most intelligent member here.


Ciao.

 

[VCheng]

You dig well in that house and the new owner of the house will inherit what is left over the land, the legacy will be passed onto the geranations regardless of its present occupier.

IVC is similar to digging a well that you don't carry with you when you are leaving the house. Its part of our culture and heritage

Does the new owner ask for all the water drawn previously by the old owners to be returned also? Or does his right is only on the water to be drawn henceforward from the well?

 

[Indika]

You dig well in that house and the new owner of the house will inherit what is left over the land, the legacy will be passed onto the geranations regardless of its present occupier.

IVC is similar to digging a well that you don't carry with you when you are leaving the house. Its part of our culture and heritage

Suppose you occupy a chinese structured house inhabited by chinese they will still call it chinese not pakistani one.
Just by staying in the house you cannot claim the legacy or culture. Good example is clothing. Sari originated in Indus valley but who can lay claim to it ?

If you know the difference between institution & building you will understand the difference. You can buy a excellent engineering college but not its excellence. Thats a legacy which was built by ppl which cannot be claimed by simply occupying it.

 

[Djinn]

Thats fine with me as long as those weapons are not better than the ones India possesses. Lol


Yes superman, you're the most intelligent member here.


Ciao.

Then tell your Indian government to not burst its nerves over our interaction with Russians. I hope you know what i am talking about?
I would prefer to be called Batman, Superman never really resonated with me...........Much too fictitious concept and i like to keep things real.

 

[Hyde]

Suppose you occupy a chinese structured house inhabited by chinese they will still call it chinese not pakistani one.
Just by staying in the house you cannot claim the legacy or culture. Good example is clothing. Sari originated in Indus valley but who can lay claim to it ?

If you know the difference between institution & building you will understand the difference. You can buy a excellent engineering college but not its excellence. Thats a legacy which was built by ppl which cannot be claimed by simply occupying it.

I have previously taken soft approach when it comes to negoating peace with India and willing to compromise on most matters possible but IVC is a joint heritage of both nations.

Its technically the heritage of this subcontinent but when you go for common sense the IVC is situated in most part of Pakistan. If our great forefathers were Hindu and they founded a civilization and later our forefathers converted to Islam it doesn't mean whatever their fathers had built doesn't belong to them anymore.

If I used to drink from a glass of water, regardless of what religion I belong to, my ancestors can lay claim on its heritage regardless of their present situation. I do acknowledge that most of the IVC has religious significance with Hinduism but it doesn't mean that the Hindu's of our subcontient has automatic right to lay claim on the heritage of my forefathers.

If I invent a mobile phone, my children can lay claim on it. If my children change their religion, it doesn't mean I am no longer their father and some other Muslim living in Kerala would come in the fore to claim on its heritage for sharing the same religion with me

Edit: In my opinion IVC belongs to the people of IVC and almost entire IVC is situated in Pakistan. Around 5 million Hindus lives on the banks of IVC and millions of Muslims are still residing in the same land whose forefathers converted to Islam during past 1400 years

 

[Indika]

ts technically the heritage of this subcontinent but when you go for common sense the IVC is situated in most part of Pakistan. If our great forefathers were Hindu and they founded a civilization and later our forefathers converted to Islam it doesn't mean whatever their fathers had built doesn't belong to them anymore.

you are correct but none your ilk wants to recognize it as a joint heritage. They are more prone to sub plant non south asian culture to pakistan and virtually deny the origins of India. They are simply hell bent on disassociating any thing relating to India and provide a religious slant to every thing.
Its a thing found only in pakistan where as other civilizations like Egyptians proud about their past.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Kid

Dude take a good look at yourself and me... you barely reach my shoulder... so stop throwing around childish insult like a punk *** ...

take an example of today and how ideas and techniques are spread because of communication and transport.

The same phenomena is been happening in ancient times but at a slower pace.

Sure ... but not mass migration.

These guys interacted with adjacent regions and exchange of ideas took place also there are sites in south India as well which point to the fact the civilization is spread across sub continent.

Civilisations exchanged ideas with civilisations not jungle dwelling aboriginals...

Indus exchanged ideas and traded with contemporary civilisations ... but i doubt they all left to south india and ironically didnt create any civilisation there? thats stupidity at work.

Arabs travellers and merchants also contructed trading posts etc all over the region but you can hardly call those areas as continuation of arab civilisation,mesopotamian civilisation and so on..

IVC also covered some parts of modern day afghanistan etc ... do you think Afghan govt or people should now rise up and claim IVC whose main civilisational centers,cities are all within Pakistans boundaries?

Are these any mighty IVC cities like Mohenjodaro outside Pakistan?
In north india you hardly have a trading site of IVC... and thats about it..

India is an advanced civilization at that time , you can verify historians .

Yeah right... Advanced civilisations whose people taxed low caste womans breats and raped low castes at will till the british arrived... and the opressive filth still continues in one form or another..

you are correct but none your ilk wants to recognize it as a joint heritage. They are more prone to sub plant non south asian culture to pakistan and virtually deny the origins of India. They are simply hell bent on disassociating any thing relating to India and provide a religious slant to every thing.
Its a thing found only in pakistan where as other civilizations like Egyptians proud about their past.

So we diss our heritage and yet we have IVC printed on our currency and part of our syllabus in schools? Ironic claims dear friend.

 

[farhan_9909]

i find it funny when indians claims to be related to IVC

 

[dray]

I don't care what they associate themselves with.

We Pakistanis are the true inheritors of IVC.

If you claim that your ancestors were the people of IVC, then you automatically mean you Pakistanis were not the Ghaznavis and Ghoris and Baburs, but the locals who were conquered by the invading forces, were murdered in Hindukush, and got ruled for 500 years........later you made those invaders your heroes, named your missiles after them, started taking pride in the murder of your own ancestors by the invaders in Hindukush, and discarded your own heritage to adopt your conquerers' culture, etc.........sorry, but that's what it means....no?

You dig well in that house and the new owner of the house will inherit what is left over the land, the legacy will be passed onto the geranations regardless of its present occupier.

IVC is similar to digging a well that you don't carry with you when you are leaving the house. Its part of our culture and heritage

You lost the logical line of thought in the last line, the well in your example are the ruins of IVC in Pakistan, it doesn't represent the culture and heritage, that goes with the family. And yes, artifacts are the furnitures, some were taken, some were left behind for the new occupant, that's normal.

Does the new owner ask for all the water drawn previously by the old owners to be returned also? Or does his right is only on the water to be drawn henceforward from the well?

Another valid point. It's another thing that someday moderators of this forum will declare you a non-Pakistani.