Culture wars: Pakistan to demand 4,500 old artefact back from India

[hussain0216]

IVC where high caste Brahmins and Pakistanis are all lower caste converts.

We dont have caste system here, we are all taller, fairer and better looking then our caste obsessed eastern neighbours

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

India is the rightful owner of all the artifacts found before 1947 on the subcontinent.

Besides, those artifacts are supposed to be unislamic and contrary to Pakistani culture.

They were discovered and stolen from our lands.. not south indian jungles or the dark swamps of bengal,

Say, today you live in a house with your family, kids, your furniture's, etc. Tomorrow you move to a different house, then who will be the inheritor of your family, kids, furnitures, your family history, culture and heritage, you or the new owner of the house you left behind?

The history, culture, legacy, identity, heritage, and its artifacts of ancient Indian civilization (also known as IVC) are safely with us Indians, the true inheritors.

Pakistanis have already discarded and disowned all of it, now this kneejerk reaction to claim it is devoid of any basis.

More importantly, your radicals might be offended about this claim and put those artifacts into the risk of getting destroyed, if those are handed over to pakistan just for argument's sake.

So you a bengali have roots in modern day PAKISTAN? Your great great great great grandfather must be of Pakistani stock right?

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

They were discovered and stolen from our lands.. not south indian jungles or the dark swamps of bengal,



So you a bengali have roots in modern day PAKISTAN? Your great great great great grandfather must be of Pakistani stock right?

Pakistan is Eternal, my young Warrior Brother!

From older than the Fire of Nimrud came the Baloch... don't you see them on the Sumerian Reliefs?

From Heart of Siberia Came your Pak Pathans and the Ancient People of GB and N. Areas...

And down they migrated to your Land of Five Great Rivers and the Mystic Sindhu...have you not seen those beautiful crystal brown eyes of your peoples in the deserts of Pak? Without Sindhu there is no hindu

Don't you see the Great Bull still alive in your Punjab and your Sindh...which is on your Ancient Seal from that area...

The Civilisation never died...it just changed places after the great loss and an epidemic...

Those who have stolen your history and heritage can never really claim it...since all of your Civilisations are still alive and are in your DNA...

The Present day Pakistan is the Fountain Head of all of South West and South Asian Civlisation... indians of the plains came much later....

You might be msulims today but your DNA is Ancient...

If ever in doubt just put the pictures of an average Pak and indian together... you will get your answers.


What is yours is yours!

 

[dray]

We dont need to read any mumbo jumbo we just want any historical artefacts from our land to remain in and be displayed in our land

Those artifacts would be useless objects without the knowledge of history and culture behind those. Besides, what your Talibans did with Buddha statues?

Indus civilization is just that Indus, not Ganges. Indus civilization didn't strench to plains of Ganges. The logic you used describes Indians perfectly. Naming your country after a river that predominantly flows in Pakistan doesn't make it's identity yours. You don't live on this land, neither is this land your home. We live here, our forefathers have lived here. We haven't moved anywhere. We are the owners of this land. This is our land, not yours. This is our home not yours. This is our history not yours. What we decide to do with our history and artifacts is our decision to make not yours.

IVC was spread to the Ganges valley, being a continuous civilization we still have the beliefs and philosophies. Pakistanis on the contrary associate themselves with ME.

They were discovered and stolen from our lands.. not south indian jungles or the dark swamps of bengal,

So you a bengali have roots in modern day PAKISTAN? Your great great great great grandfather must be of Pakistani stock right?

If all of humanity have their roots in Africa, then what's so difficult to accept the fact that Indians have deep connections with IVC, as the people of IVC moved further east once the mighty river Saraswati dried up, and satellite imagery proves it. You are being blind to the continuation of same culture, beliefs, and philosophies across India.

BTW, some of the 'pithasthan' of the '51 Shaktipitha' of goddess Parvati are in the land what is now known as Pakistan, by your logic we can claim Pakistan then.

And no, we are not of Pakistani stock, they came later after the people of Indus Valley Civilization moved on towards east leaving the place deserted.

If ever in doubt just put the pictures of an average Pak and indian together... you will get your answers.

Indians, like Pakistanis are a mixed race, there is no single face that can depict an average Indian or a Pakistani.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Those artifacts would be useless objects without the knowledge of history and culture behind those

Return our artifacts and do whatever with the ones found in your country... what is ours is ours.

Besides, what your Talibans did with Buddha statues?

Our taliban?

You mean afghan taliban whom Pak asked not to destroy Baniyam.. dont place us over the action of afghans boy.

IVC was spread to the Ganges valley, being a continuous civilization we still have the beliefs and philosophies. Pakistanis on the contrary associate themselves with ME.

What philosophies or beliefs?

If all of humanity have their roots in Africa, then what's so difficult to accept the fact that Indians have deep connections with IVC, as the people of IVC moved further east once the mighty river Saraswati dried up, and satellite imagery proves it. You are being blind to the continuation of same culture, beliefs, and philosophies across India.

And pigs fly.

@Kaptaan @Tergon18

BTW, some of the 'pithasthan' of the '51 Shaktipitha' of goddess Parvati are in the land what is now known as Pakistan, by your logic we can claim Pakistan then.

On the basis of religion? than Pak may claim india if religion was used a measure for "Claiming territory".

And no, we are not of Pakistani stock, they came later after the people of Indus Valley Civilization moved on towards east leaving the place deserted.

Who came later?

Indians, like Pakistanis are a mixed race, there is no single face that can depict an average Indian or a Pakistani.

We arent a "mixed" race.. neither is PAKISTANI a "Race" rather a nationality composed of different ethnicities..

 

[Srinivas]

Don't you think Pakistan was formed to make South Asia a colony of your Arab ancestors?

Indus Valley is not a unique civilization to Indian subcontinent . it is spread all over subcontinent , British wanted a new country to fight against soviets and they invented this theory.

It is foolish to think there is no movement across the plains and to the south .

India in ancient times is just like today's India with less dense population.

If these guys know navigation and horse definitely they have travelled to all adjacent areas and exchange of ideas took place.

It is the guy's who are proposing these ideas like Aryan invasions and Indus Valley civilization that are savages and do not know much until they are colonized by Rome.

 

[dray]

Yes, we want it back!

Why? Pakistanis have no respect for those 'pagans' of IVC, do they? Then why falsely claim something for which you have no respect?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Don't you think Pakistan was formed to make South Asia a colony of your Arab ancestors?

Says the south indian whose ancestors were imposing breast covering taxes on eachother till the british banned it..

Did you come from modern day Pak too?

Indus Valley not a unique civilization it is spread all over subcontinent , British wanted a new country to fight against soviets and they invented this theory.

And mesopotamia spead over the entire ME.. right? screw your logic.

It is foolish to think there is no movement across the plains and to the south .

Yeah thousands years ago people of a great civilisation were going thousands of miles into tropical jungles of pochipochi or whatever you call your city/jungle...

India in ancient times is just like today's India with less dense population.

which ancient india?

If these guys know navigation and horse definitely they have travelled to all adjacent areas and exchange of ideas took place.

So guys from mighty IVC went to the jungles of south india for ideas instead of other great contemporary civilisations?

Here are the trading partners of IVC:

It is the guy's who are proposing these ideas like Aryan invasions and Indus Valley civilization that are savages and do not know much until they are colonized by Rome.

Funny how its indian on this thread talking about aryan invasion? confused lot.

Why? Pakistanis have no respect for those 'pagans' of IVC, do they? Then why falsely claim something for which you have no respect?

We do.. hence why we are demanding the return of artifacts stolen by british..

 

[dray]

So ghtml
from mighty IVC went to the jungles of south india for ideas instead of other great contemporary civilisations

Why not? Indians do have European and central Asian genes. How far is IVC compared to that?

http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090922/full/news.2009.935.html

 

[Srinivas]

Says the south indian whose ancestors were imposing breast covering taxes on eachother till the british banned it..

Did you come from modern day Pak too?


And mesopotamia spead over the entire ME.. right? screw your logic.


Yeah thousands years ago people of a great civilisation were going thousands of miles into tropical jungles of pochipochi or whatever you call your city/jungle...


which ancient india?

So guys from mighty IVC went to the jungles of south india for ideas instead of other great contemporary civilisations?

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Here are the trading partners of IVC:

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Funny how its indian on this thread talking about aryan invasion? confused lot.



We do.. hence why we are demanding the return of artifacts stolen by british..

Kid take an example of today and how ideas and techniques are spread because of communication and transport.

The same phenomena is been happening in ancient times but at a slower pace.

These guys interacted with adjacent regions and exchange of ideas took place also there are sites in south India as well which point to the fact the civilization is spread across sub continent.

India is an advanced civilization at that time , you can verify historians .

 

[Śakra]

pakistan only wants it because India has it.

 

[coffee_cup]

Why? Pakistanis have no respect for those 'pagans' of IVC, do they? Then why falsely claim something for which you have no respect?

Wrong.

You can keep believing in your stereotypes, whereas our Museums in Taxila, Harappa, Mohenjo Daro, Lahore Karachi thrive.

And just stop laying claims on other people's civilizations, it makes a mockery out of Indians. You have nothing to do with Indus Valley, Ghandara, Egyptian, Inca civilizations.

 

[Indika]

pakistan only wants it because India has it.

right, if china had it they would say please keep it and we will give some more!
Pakistan can claim whatever it wants but ancient culture & heritage belongs to India and world recognizes it as well.
Ancient customs & tradition which is passed on through ages is followed by Indians.

 

[Śakra]

right, if china had it they would say please keep it and we will give some more!
Pakistan can claim whatever it wants but ancient culture & heritage belongs to India and world recognizes it as well.
Ancient customs & tradition which is passed on through ages is followed by Indians.

If they were so concerned about their customs and traditions they would celebrate diwali or holi just like Iranis celebrate Nowruz even though it was a Zoroasterian celebration and they are muslim now.

 

[Spring Onion]

war? why war. It is standard procedure to ask for such historical belongings