Culture wars: Pakistan to demand 4,500 old artefact back from India

[manlion]

Culture wars: Pakistan to demand 4,500 old artefact back from India:

the dancing pose is uncannily close to Bharata Natyam, the ancient dance form of Tamil land not Muslim inspired kathak or Odissi etc. Hence the statue should be in Chennai not Delhi, its for 'future' TN govt to decide if the figurine can be given to Pakistan out of good will due to Tamil - Pakistan's IVC Link.

evolution of IVC - Tamil script

Tamil Alphabet AH - Tamil Vattezhuthu AH - Indus Sign AH

IVC is a Tamil Dravidian civilisation connected to Sumerian culture

Sumerian seal,
Marduk killing Kingu, similar to the Tamil mythological story of Murugan killing Sura padman. In reality it is a calendar story, indicating month of Karthigai (Tamil Month). When moon attains full moon stage and reaches near to Pleiades constellation, that moon position indicates the month of Karthigai. Pleiades constellation is depicted in this seal by seven dots, where as Orion constellation is depicted as "Marduk".

https://sites.google.com/site/indus...otamian-influence-on-ivc/marduk-killing-kinku

 

[halupridol]

One of the oldest civilizations of the world.

But who are Pakistanis? The Conquerers or The Conquered?

 

[farhan_9909]

So the statue is in Delhi?Even easy can take it as a War Booty

 

[Sine Nomine]

Sikhs operated as distinct nation, Punjabi Musalman was merely a "Musla" for them.

The same virks,khokhars,jats,bhattis,sandhus etc are Muslims and Sikhs,many clans half of them became Muslims and half converted to sikhism,it was suppression of sikhs by Mughals that led eventually to there uprising.Punjabis by religion are of three types,Buddha's,Hindus,Muslims and sikhs I don't know how you Mr Marwat classify clans of Punjab in rather hypocritical way.

No Lollilop of Muslim brotherhood was given to Punjabis, Delhi Sultans were not dependent on them, they did not rely on them ........they (i.e some of their martial clans) were rather chastised by Turks and Afghan Sultans for being in collusion with their enemies. For example during the reigns of Mamluk Turk Sultans, Jats, Khokhars, Bhattis and others in Punjab were chastised for aiding Mongols according to Tarikh-i-Feroz Shahi. Shaikha Khokar sided with an invader Amir Timur against Tughlaq Sultan. Sur Sultans chastised Ghakkars for siding with Timurids/Mughals.

Khokahrs as I know when were suppressed they did assassinated Ghor.After that what ever claim you make is not valid because when Sikhs were suppressed they took a military path in no time and contributed significantly in destruction of Mughal Rule.Religion has always been a tool to gather masses in here.Ever Durranis before panipat declared a holy war to get Rohilas on there side.It wasn't some martial super power which aided in rule of delhi sultans rather only religion was token.If all sultans of Delhi's were martial super races then they wouldn't have been gone and eventually defeated by Babur.

 

[my2cents]

We dont need to read any mumbo jumbo we just want any historical artefacts from our land to remain in and be displayed in our land

If you have selective preference for what you want to own and disown then that is distortion of your/our history. Either own it entirely or disown it entirely. Owning it does not mean that you forsake your Islamic tradition.

Pakistanis are damned if they accept IVC and are damned if they reject IVC. For Indians it is a troll fest.

 

[wiseone2]

So the statue is in Delhi?Even easy can take it as a War Booty

you have not gotten close to a district headquarters in 3 wars

Tell me what is the fake country called "India"?

What is it?

A collection of dozens of independent states, forced by British to form a new country.
This is a mere space, nothing more. Just a question of time, till all those demanding independence get there.

Now tell me what is India?

Maharastra?

Gujrat?

Punjab (Khalistan)? And they don't want to be with you.

Junagardh? Hyedabad? Nagaland?


WHAT IS INDIA?

if India is artifical I do not know what to call Pakistan

 

[hussain0216]

If you have selective preference for what you want to own and disown then that is distortion of your/our history. Either own it entirely or disown it entirely. Owning it does not mean that you forsake your Islamic tradition.

Pakistanis are damned if they accept IVC and are damned if they reject IVC. For Indians it is a troll fest.

On the contrary we just want artefacts from our land to remain in our land and be shown in our museums and not be stolen by foreigners especially dark eastern foreigners who have nothing to do with our land

Alot of the old culture is stupid and defunct

Its like saying 10000 years ago a bunch of cavemen worshipped a idol made out of shit and we must now embrace this shit idol to own the culture

No we dont, we just want to display the culture of our land in the past without it being taken by foreigners who have nothing to do with it

 

[Kabira]

the dancing pose is uncannily close to Bharata Natyam, the ancient dance form of Tamil land not Muslim inspired kathak or Odissi etc. Hence the statue should be in Chennai not Delhi, its for 'future' TN govt to decide if the figurine can be given to Pakistan out of good will due to Tamil - Pakistan's IVC Link.

evolution of IVC - Tamil script

Tamil Alphabet AH - Tamil Vattezhuthu AH - Indus Sign AH

IVC is a Tamil Dravidian civilisation connected to Sumerian culture

Sumerian seal,
Marduk killing Kingu, similar to the Tamil mythological story of Murugan killing Sura padman. In reality it is a calendar story, indicating month of Karthigai (Tamil Month). When moon attains full moon stage and reaches near to Pleiades constellation, that moon position indicates the month of Karthigai. Pleiades constellation is depicted in this seal by seven dots, where as Orion constellation is depicted as "Marduk".

https://sites.google.com/site/indus...otamian-influence-on-ivc/marduk-killing-kinku

We both can keep dancing girl for half a year because Pakistanis and tamils have ancient links.

 

[Fireurimagination]

But weren't Pakistani decedents of arabs? So, why do they want haram kafir artifacts?

 

[hussain0216]

But weren't Pakistani decedents of arabs? So, why do they want haram kafir artifacts?

How are pakistanis decedents of arabs?

Some have some links, the same with Persia and Central Asia

But most people are from the land Pathans Baloch Sindhi Kashmiri, Punjabi and Northern Pakistani have lived around the indus fir thousands of years

The haram kaffir artefacts are from our land and should be displayed in our museums

 

[Fireurimagination]

How are pakistanis decedents of arabs?

Some have some links, the same with Persia and Central Asia

But most people are from the land Pathans Baloch Sindhi Kashmiri, Punjabi and Northern Pakistani have lived around the indus fir thousands of years

The haram kaffir artefacts are from our land and should be displayed in our museums

Well some Pakistanis do believe that they are descents of Arabs heck some Indians do too. The artifacts are 4500 years old then there was no Pathans, Baloch, Sindhi or Kashmiri there was only Santan Dharma, neither the land was yours nor the culture. Do you guys really want to claim kafir past, first decide that, then learn to own up/respect/understand the same, then ask for these artifacts. The bamiyan Buddha was destroyed by Islamists and you have plenty of them in Pakistan

 

[Fireurimagination]

Some do, most don't though

The lineage of our land is ancient OUR PEOPLE have always been different and distinct from the eastern people who lived in what is today India

There was no Santa Danda in our land


We dont have to respect anything we just want the artefacts and history from our land to remain in our land and not be co-opted by dark foreigners who have nothing to do with our land or people

That's the thing, you guys know a zilch about your own history and history of your own land, you guys can't even make up your mind that do you want to embrace your past or want to run away from it. So, what will you do with these artifacts, most of whom will be kafir Deity idols which are totally haram I believe?

 

[Pakistani E]

That's the thing, you guys know a zilch about your own history and history of your own land, you guys can't even make up your mind that do you want to embrace your past or want to run away from it. So, what will you do with these artifacts, most of whom will be kafir Deity idols which are totally haram I believe?

These artifacts belong to Pakistanis, just as the ancient Greek history belongs to Greeks, Persians to modern day Iran etc.

Why do "Hindustanis" try to claim the history of our land just as same way the black supremacists try to claim other people's history?

The only "Hindustanis" who can claim the IVC are the Punjabis and surrounding north-western people. Not some bengali babu sitting in Calcutta or some nerd sitting in Chennai. Trying to claim IVC on the basis of religion, even if it is proven that the IVC followed "Hinduism", is same as Pakistanis or Indonesians trying to claim Moorish Spain as part of their heritage. Laughable, in both cases.

 

[iPhone 7]

These artifacts belong to Pakistanis, just as the ancient Greek history belongs to Greeks, Persians to modern day Iran etc.

Why do "Hindustanis" try to claim the history of our land just as same way the black supremacists try to claim other people's history?

The only "Hindustanis" who can claim the IVC are the Punjabis and surrounding north-western people. Not some bengali babu sitting in Calcutta or some nerd sitting in Chennai. Trying to claim IVC on the basis of religion, even if it is proven that the IVC followed "Hinduism", is same as Pakistanis or Indonesians trying to claim Moorish Spain as part of their heritage. Laughable, in both cases.

we have more claim on ivc than pak .
There are more ivc sites in india than in pakistan . IVC sites have been found upto northern maharashtra and western uttar pradesh . Major indian sites are in gujarat and rajasthan ; not in punjab .Actually ivc is a misnomer , its actually indus-saraswati civilization.keep sulking

 

[Soumitra]

The only "Hindustanis" who can claim the IVC are the Punjabis and surrounding north-western people. Not some bengali babu sitting in Calcutta or some nerd sitting in Chennai.

There is no difference between a punjabi, gujrati, bengali or tamilian. All are Indians