CRPF asks govt to replace Insas guns with AK rifles

[Abingdonboy]

@Abingdonboy here you go since you are probably too dumb to go through the article yourself

I am talking about the INSAS rifles on the whole, you seemed to be making out that the INSAS was prone to stoppages but that is simply not the case of the latest versions and when maintained properly. I cannot comment on the CRPF's issues with the INSAS but this news had been reported a while ago and that time around it was clear the CRPF were after the superior kinetic energy delivered by the 7.62mm firing AK and not one menton was made of any shortcomings of the INSAS. I don't hole Indian journalism in high regard.

 

[Derolo]

I am talking about the INSAS rifles on the whole, you seemed to be making out that the INSAS was prone to stoppages but that is simply not the case of the latest versions and when maintained properly. I cannot comment on the CRPF's issues with the INSAS but this news had been reported a while ago and that time around it was clear the CRPF were after the superior kinetic energy delivered by the 7.62mm firing AK and not one menton was made of any shortcomings of the INSAS. I don't hole Indian journalism in high regard.

Well indian journalism is not good fair point but CRPF is making an issue out of it that must means INSAS jamming issue is not yet solved. It costed us many good lives in Kargil-Drass and maybe has costed CRPF a few good lives against naxals.

Latest or old problems persist.

 

[janon]

The CRPF are talking about replacing the INSAS with their units deployed in COIN (anti-Naxal) operations where they, just like the IA's RR, prefer the "stopping power" of the 7.62mm round.

In this article, that's not the issue being talked about. From many parts, it is clear that they are not talking about the value of 7.62mm v/s 5.56 mm for close combat ops, they are talking about replacing all their INSAS with AKs. It's not the caliber, but the rifle itself they have trouble with.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Well indian journalism is not good fair point but CRPF is making an issue out of it that must means INSAS jamming issue is not yet solved. It costed us many good lives in Kargil-Drass and maybe has costed CRPF a few good lives against naxals.

Latest or old problems persist.

The issues is solved in the IA, they have the latest versions of the INSAS and proper maintenance- the CRPF need to have a look at why they are unable to deliver reliability like the IA.

 

[Derolo]

The issues is solved in the IA, they have the latest versions of the INSAS and proper maintenance- the CRPF need to have a look at why they are unable to deliver reliability like the IA.

Guns are guns. CRPF are also trained soldiers.

IA is not in any active conflict. Most LoC firing done by short range artillery like mortars and only HMG's used. So maybe INSAS has not revealed its deficiency to IA as yet.

CRPF is in active conflict with Naxals. So more opportunities to test the guns out.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

VHP and RSS must be equipped with INSAS then.

Funny...guys in knickers armed with a stick make you insecure when you have well trained jihadist armed with everything from AKs to NVG in your backyard targeting everything from AF bases to Naval ships.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Guns are guns. CRPF are also trained soldiers.

IA is not in any active conflict. Most LoC firing done by short range artillery like mortars and only HMG's used. So maybe INSAS has not revealed its deficiency to IA as yet.

CRPF is in active conflict with Naxals. So more opportunities to test the guns out.

The IA units don't conduct live fire training with their INSAS every year? The IA tests every piece of new equipment throughly, the CRPF having issues is not that surprising. Police forces are generally less well trained and proficient in such things.

It is no coincidence that just as this is going on the US Border Patrol have sent back their M4 rifles to Colt because it seems the Border Patrol (a police unit) have been unable to maintain their rifles effectively leading to many failures. Whilst the US army has had only very limited issues with the M4 in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The nature of training and armies.

 

[GORKHALI]

The IA units don't conduct live fire training with their INSAS every year? The IA tests every piece of new equipment throughly, the CRPF having issues is not that surprising. Police forces are generally less well trained and proficient in such things.

It is no coincidence that just as this is going on the US Border Patrol have sent back their M4 rifles to Colt because it seems the Border Patrol (a police unit) have been unable to maintain their rifles effectively leading to many failures. Whilst the US army has had only very limited issues with the M4 in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The nature of training and armies.

You are replying to wrong person here,he is here for mess.

 

[heisenberg]

You a Right-Winger ?

Nahhh I don't think so; you haven't the guts to be one....you'd squeal like a girl or jump into your wife's arms at the mere crackling of a fire-cracker tou right-wing honeiii keh liyee to baraa jigar chahiyee hotaa haii !

You probably misunderstood right wing with jihadis.

 

[Derolo]

The IA units don't conduct live fire training with their INSAS every year? The IA tests every piece of new equipment throughly, the CRPF having issues is not that surprising. Police forces are generally less well trained and proficient in such things.

It is no coincidence that just as this is going on the US Border Patrol have sent back their M4 rifles to Colt because it seems the Border Patrol (a police unit) have been unable to maintain their rifles effectively leading to many failures. Whilst the US army has had only very limited issues with the M4 in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The nature of training and armies.

I suppose there is more usage in combat with naxals than live fire on a training ground. Battlefield maintainance cannot be compared to level of maintenance on training ground

It would be highly unfair to deem CRPF so incompetent. They are a good strong fighting force doing their assigned duty.

 

[damiendehorn]

The IA units don't conduct live fire training with their INSAS every year? The IA tests every piece of new equipment throughly, the CRPF having issues is not that surprising. Police forces are generally less well trained and proficient in such things.

It is no coincidence that just as this is going on the US Border Patrol have sent back their M4 rifles to Colt because it seems the Border Patrol (a police unit) have been unable to maintain their rifles effectively leading to many failures. Whilst the US army has had only very limited issues with the M4 in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The nature of training and armies.

Then i assume from your statement, the CRPF are so badly trained that they are incapable of maintaining their field weapons or else the INSAS the CRPF have is infact faulty. One or the other.

 

[Rafi]

The sad thing is that many indian soldiers have lost their lives, because of the poor design and manufacture of the insas weapon system, we have used captured insas weapons in tests - and found many drawbacks, including it's propensity to jam.

Field reports of our soldiers and spec op's have shown that in many encounters the indians weapons jammed - with devastating consequences.

In fact read about an encounter with one of our spec ops teams - on "Lurps" (LRRP) - wiped out an entire indian platoon - when the KIA's were checked - a number of the insas rifle were jammed.

In our tests - other than design flaws, the rifles were "high maintenance" required regular cleaning - it seem indian soldiers were poor at "field craft" also.

 

[desimorty]

First off the is the CRPF trying to get assault rifles? They aren't even trained properly, first train them before they give them guns. CRPF is not the military. What do they know about guns? Ans. Less than the Army.

 

[desimorty]

The sad thing is that many indian soldiers have lost their lives, because of the poor design and manufacture of the insas weapon system, we have used captured insas weapons in tests - and found many drawbacks, including it's propensity to jam.

Many field reports of our soldiers and spec op's have shown that in many encounters the indians weapons jammed - with devastating consequences.

In fact read about an encounter with one of our spec ops teams - on "Lurps" (LRRP) - wiped out an entire platoon - when the KIA's were checked - a number of the insas rifle were jammed.

Source: CRPF asks govt to replace Insas guns with AK rifles

Really? where did you get this insight? Care to share sources? Because its not always the rifle, rather the training.

 

[Selous]

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The Insas 1B1 are much better than the Bulgarian Aks. Trust me CRPF except its Cobra commandos ,they can hardly maintain any standard rifles.
Look at their fatigues even ISIS like militant group are better equipped and trained.They never upgraded to INSAS 1B1
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Just a question...what is that fellow on the left holding ? Is it some kind of grenade launcher ?