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Cross-border raid: Strategic analysts laugh off Indian claim

I think its the opposite. If India believes that surgical strikes happened that will result in lowering the escalation as it was not us who made the escalation or was doing the warmongering / chest thumping. So Indians believe surgical strike happened, it will make them happy giving a sense of taking some kind of revenge and cool down their anger and go back to killing more Kashmiris.


Indian forces tries to cross border to avenge Uri attack.
Some of the Indian soldiers managed to cross.
Pakistani forces got alert.
They exchange heavy fire and one Indian soldier captured 8 to 9 killed.

Pakistan retaliates the strike by pounding Indian positions with heavy artillery 2 to 3 Indian posts destroyed.

Indian Lies:
They use special forces to carry out successful surgical strikes inside Pakistani controlled Kashmir by air roping commandos from MI-17.

Truth is they tries ti attack and kill Pakistani soldiers on a border post close to LOC but attack was repulsed.

Pakistani Lies:
Indian did't even tries to cross LOC

Truth is Indian did cross the LOC to attack on Pakistani post very close to LOC.
 
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Another Proof of surgical strike ,.........:sarcastic::sarcastic::omghaha::omghaha:
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Anyway it is good, if Pakistan believes that surgical strikes have not happened. This will bring down the escalation.

If an average Indian is as gullible and prone -to-propaganda like you are, there's no wondering how rubbish like the 'Surgical Strikes' gets the kind of public-embrace that it has in your country.

I feel sorry for you nation. A nation whose state propaganda methodically built the hype of a decisive Indian military edge over Pakistan only to later settle for selling stories of a cross-border fire-exchange relabeled as 'Surgical Strikes; when it became clear to your chest-thumping sarkar that any initiation would trigger pulverizing response from Pakistan.

I've been following this story from its inceptions and the only feeling that I've grown is one of pity. Your next door Ravi, Arjun Kumar etc. - all of them poverty stricken, small earning, hard working guys whose nationalistic passions were first stirred by state bravado and later, upon realizing that Indian state was out of viable military options against Pakistan, were fed, very artfully, almost with theatrical precision, a blood-warming story of a daring attempt by a group of brave jawans putting their life at risk by foraying across border to neutralize militant camps.

The sheer amount of force and persistence with which this narrative has been shoved down the throats of credulous public in India, makes it's acceptance not only pitiful but also understandable at the same time. It underscores your nation's vulnerability at getting carried away by state-fueled jingoism so much so that every word out of state representatives becomes instant gospel - undeniable, unquestionable.
 
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Of all the narrative i've watched/read about the current surgical strikes and Indo-Pak standoff, impasse, this is the best one.


 
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I think you forgot to take your medication, when has Pakistan ever claimed that there are no Pak Army in Azad Kashmir? Please pay a visit to your doctor again as your hallucinations are taking over reality

Hope you know the difference between the PA and the Rangers
 
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When India is showing the video proof of the surgical strikes as said by their DGMO, the Indian government. BTW Pakistan has banned the screening of Bollywood films after India banning the Pak actors, wondering now with Bollywood films banned in Pakistan which media group will show the surgical strike videos with edited, post production and scripted version...

Still waiting for the finished product...
 
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Still waiting for the finished product...

You will have to wait for some more time..... It is with sensor board and they are looking at it...... They will certify it.... most likely the certification would be a "UA"......
 
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ISLAMABAD:The Indian army’s claim that it has carried out ‘surgical strikes’ on the Pakistani side of the Line of Control (LoC) begs the question: Is such a sophisticated and precision-guided operation possible in a highly militarised zone? Or, does the Indian military have the wherewithal to mount such an operation?


The de facto border that divides the Himalayan region of Kashmir into Pakistan and India is around 880 kilometres long. For decades, there has been a huge concentration of troops on both sides of the LoC. In recent years, India taking advantage of the 2003 ceasefire agreement has erected a fence along the LoC and of late employed the latest surveillance devices to stop any infiltration from the Pakistani side.

Since the Uri attack that heightened tensions and sparked fears of a possible military showdown, Pakistani Army has been on the ‘high state of alert’ to deal with any untoward situation. In this situation, was it plausible that special Indian forces intruded deep into the Pakistani side, carried out operation at multiple sites, stayed there for almost six hours, eliminated so-called ‘terror launch pads’ and then went back without even suffering any casualties?

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The Indian army provided little insight as to how the entire operation was conducted. The media there, however, said the operation was a combination of heliborne and ground forces. Special forces were para-dropped for the operation, it added. It said alleged terror launch pads targeted were in the range of 2- 3 kilometres from the LoC.

Indian officials claimed that special forces targeted at least seven different places inside the LoC. This means, according to a Pakistani military official, a minimum of 70 Indian troops intruded and carried out the so-called ‘surgical strikes’.

“This looks a fantastic movie script,” said the official, who has the knowledge of LoC and terrain there. “Do you think it was possible that more than 70 Indian soldiers were on our side of the LoC for hours and our forces couldn’t detect them,” asked the official. “This is just unbelievable story created by the Indian side for public consumption.”

Officially, Pakistan rebutted the Indian claim, insisting that there had been cross-LoC fire initiated and conducted by India. This, Pakistan Army pointed out, was existential phenomenon where the two countries often exchange fire at the LoC.

Defence analysts are also astonished at the Indian claim of conducting surgical strikes and that too at a time when relations between the two arch enemies are on the edge and any misadventurism may lead to a serious military conflict.

Maj Gen (retd) Ejaz Awan finds the Indian claims that special forces were para-dropped as unbelievable. “So, if they para-dropped special troops, then how they pulled them out after they completed their so-called surgical strikes,” he questioned. “For pulling out these troops, you need helicopters on the ground,” he explained saying this was easier said than done.

Lt Gen (retd) Amjad Shoaib, who had also served at the LoC during his service, concurred with the assessment. He said intrusion was possible at some mountainous areas along the LoC, but to say that Indian special forces came and carried out ‘surgical strikes’ and went back undetected was “too good a story to be believed”.

India’s claim finds few takers. A current affairs and defence magazine for Asia-Pacific questioned India’s capability to launch such a sophisticated and coordinated attack.

“Surgical strikes can be conducted through airborne or artillery based precision-guided strikes or ground force based assaults; both of which require sophisticated intelligence collection, platforms to conduct collections, and surveillance of target sites and objectives,” military expert Shawn Snow wrote in The Diplomat magazine.

“India is still on the cusp of building a sophisticated and modernised asymmetrical capability to conduct counterterror operations, while much of its forces are still organised and trained on Cold War models,” he said.

“Over the last decade, India has spearheaded efforts to modernise her military to include domestic production of UAVs. Rostum I & II could provide India with an air platform capable of surgical strikes for target surveillance, and intelligence collection. However, these platforms are still in development.”

If this is the case, then it begs a question: why the Narendra Modi government presented a routine exchange of fire as ‘surgical strikes’? The reason, experts say, is that the Indian prime minister was under immense pressure to live up to his own promises that his administration would punish the Uri attackers.

Modi has launched a diplomatic offensive against Pakistan taking a series of steps such as boycotting the Saarc summit, threatening to review the water treaty as well as MFN status for Pakistan. But all those measures, he knew, would make little difference to Pakistan.

“Hence he [Modi] needs face saving,” said Gen Shoaib. By claiming that the Indian military carried out surgical strikes, Modi can now go to the public and hyper-nationalist media that he avenged the Uri attack.

This situation, many observers believe, would help Modi build his election campaign for the crucial state elections in politically important states such as Utar Pradesh next year.

When asked, a senior military official said Pakistan ‘does not foresee’ any escalation in tensions but added that the country’s armed forces were vigilant to face any threat.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 30th, 2016.
Pakistan has nothing to worry. India is a pacifist nation. No surgical strikes were carried out, nor will they ever be. Please don't buy our defense reports. Please continue to be not alarmed and dismiss all alarm and precaution. You are too strong for us to touch.
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Uri attack ---- 4 attackers kill 18 Indian soldiers ... Took hours to clear the area

Pathankot attack ------ 4-6 attackers kill 10 indian soldiers --- took days to clear the area ..

MIGHTY INDIAN SURGICAL STRIKE ---- Indian soldiers crossed heavily armed LOC , killed 38 Terrorists in Pakistan and got back home ------- 0 Indian soldiers killed 0 Indian soldiers injured ------ took 90 minutes to cross border kill 38 terrorists and back to India WTF is this ?? matlab chutia samjha huwa hai kia ??? Bollywood mein bhe aisa scene banate huwe 10 dafa socheinge !

what actually happened :::: Indian soldiers try to infiltrate LOC , Fire fight starts
14 Indian soldiers killed + 1 Indian soldier captured alive
2 Pakistani soldiers martyred

ab tumhare captured soldier kae saath hum surgical strike surgical strike khelinge !
MISSION FAILED :::: :-)
 
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Backtracking: India says no helicopters used in 'surgical strikes'



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Indian Air Force 'Garuda' commandos descend from a helicopter during IAF Exercise Iron Fist 2016 at Pokhran in the western Indian state of Rajasthan on March 18, 2016. PHOTO: AFP

Just a day after India claimed that its army carried out “surgical strikes” inside Pakistan with the support of military choppers, a senior Indian minister retracted the claim saying “these did not involve any aerial operations.”

“There were no aerial strikes,” Indian Minister of State for Information and Broadcasting Rajyavardhan Singh Rathore, himself an ex-Indian Army man, told The Hindu during an interview.

Rathore said the Indian Army crossed the Line of Control (LoC) “on the ground” for carrying out what he termed were “pre-emptive strikes”. “That is not like crossing the international border.”

‘Surgical’ farce blows up in India’s face

On Thursday, soon after the Indian military claimed that it had carried out “surgical strikes” against perceived “terrorist launch pads” on the Pakistani side of the LoC in disputed Kashmir region, the Pakistani Army ripped to shreds the Indian farcical claim as an “illusion being deliberately generated by the Indians to create false effects”.

Rathore’s remarks appeared to endorse the version of the army’s media wing, ISPR, which insisted: “there has been no surgical strike by India, instead there had been cross-border fire initiated and conducted by India.”

While Indian media grossly exaggerated New Delhi’s claim the Pakistani media, however, questioned its authenticity.

The Indian Express had called it a “defining moment” but said the government must now be vigilant to ensure that the “clamour for more” did not fuel an escalation in hostilities.

The Hindustan Times welcomed the strikes in an editorial headlined “Befitting response”, and said India would “take satisfaction from the revenge, served cold”.

Cross-border raid: Strategic analysts laugh off Indian claim

The Indian army provided little insight as to how the entire operation was conducted. The media there, however, said the operation was a combination of heliborne and ground forces. Special forces were para-dropped for the operation, it added. It said alleged terror launch pads targeted were in the range of 2- 3 kilometres from the LoC.

Some Indian news websites, which mentioned the use of helicopters in the operation:

The Economic Times



The Quint



India Today

 
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By denying they are digging their own grave. There was a news that whole operation have been recorded through a drone. After that only the Pakistani govt stand backed off for denying the reports. Ask your government and mighty army would they resign after the proof comes to public domain.
 
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