Credibility Under Question.

[Windjammer]

The IAF has at least six different types of combat aircraft in it's inventory, including SU-30, MIG-29, Jaguars, Mirage-2000, MIG-27 and MIG-21 respectively. However I am sure some of you must have also noticed that for last several years, only three types of the above have been participating in the Republic Day Fly Pasts, in fact the IAF hasn't been taking any risks with any of it's single engine aircraft to fly over the parade venue. Even when the French President was the guest of Honor a few years earlier, one did expect to see the Mirage-2000 participating but of the late only the twin engine aircraft have been conducting the event.
Is this just a coincidence or the safety of two engine is not being compromised. ? Perhaps some Indian members can shed some light on this short coming . Thanks.

 

[ek_indian]

Dear....do you really believe India will display whole inventory...

This year India did not show Prithvi or BrahMos or Anti-missile system....does this mean they are obsolete?

Also going by your theory should I say LCA Tejas and Arjun is perfect now as it is shown this year parade.

I fail to understand the point you want to make. Thanks.

 

[Windjammer]

Dear....do you really believe India will display whole inventory...

This year India did not show Prithvi or BrahMos or Anti-missile system....does this mean they are obsolete?

Also going by your theory should I say LCA Tejas and Arjun is perfect now as it is shown this year parade.

I fail to understand the point you want to make. Thanks.

The Republic Day Parades are mostly a show case of a Country's Military might. In essence it's as much for home consumption as sending out a signal to the world. New weapons and systems are made more prominent just like Pakistan JF-17 made a high profile appearance even when only two were in service.
The fact that MIG-21s, MIG-23s and Mirage-2000s which would have an important role during any war haven't made an appearance for last several years was the point in question.

 

[ek_indian]

^^^

All I can say you are seeing too much into this.

Beside this, republic day also show cultutal exhibition. Now this year several states were not there. What to conclude. I don't think there is anything to discuss.

 

[karan.1970]

New weapons and systems are made more prominent just like Pakistan JF-17 made a high profile appearance even when only two were in service.
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Friend.. you answered your question yourself.. The fighters you are mentioning are not at all new..Thats why the focus has been more on Mig 29s, Flankers (latest addition in IAF) etc.

Also a twin engine plane is considered a more prestigious showcase(more expensive, grander etc) and hence the choice.. Does not hurt to show military might and economic might at the same time...

 

[Windjammer]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Indeed it's a multi dimensional event but always spearheaded by the Military muscle. In Pakistan Day Parades for example all the fighter aircraft in it's inventory participate, in fact i can recall the F-6s conducting a fly past in the month they were retired. The news emanating from India is that the IAF doesn't want to risk flying single engine aircraft over such venues. By passing the dialect other countrys also keenly show all in their inventory. Just my two cents.

 

[RPK]

single-engined fighter was not permitted to participate in fly-pasts and aerobatics over Delhi

 

[Windjammer]

single-engined fighter was not permitted to participate in fly-pasts and aerobatics over Delhi

Thank you, hence they are not considered safe or credible.

 

[Ruag]

The news emanating from India is that the IAF doesn't want to risk flying single engine aircraft over such venues.

It would be better if you could come up with sources to back such ridiculous statements.

The Mirage 2000 did a flypast in 2006 -

India Shows Off Military Might On Republic Day

And the single engine BAe Hawk flew in 2009 -

http://dailylark.blogspot.com/2009/01/india-show-cased-its-military-power.html

The main reason for India not showcasing the Mirage 2000 in the past couple of years is only because the IAF has better stuff to showcase now.

 

[Windjammer]

It would be better if you could come up with sources to back such ridiculous statements.

The Mirage 2000 did a flypast in 2006 -

India Shows Off Military Might On Republic Day

And the single engine BAe Hawk flew in 2009 -

The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Nation | Firepower missing on R-Day

The main reason for India not showcasing the Mirage 2000 in the past couple of years is only because the IAF has better stuff to showcase now.

Nonsense, are you claiming that the Jaguar is a better weapon system than the Mirage-2000.
Hawk may have flown as it was the latest addition to the IAF inventory, however the early MIG series have an alarming safety record. Don't know which year but since a Mirage-2000 crashed near a VIP stand during an air display, it has also been some what kept out of the lime light.

 

[Ruag]

Nonsense, are you claiming that the Jaguar is a better weapon system than the Mirage-2000.
Hawk may have flown as it was the latest addition to the IAF inventory, however the early MIG series have an alarming safety record. Don't know which year but since a Mirage-2000 crashed near a VIP stand during an air display, it has also been some what kept out of the lime light.

And again... you talk without mentioning sources. The last IAF Mirage 2000 crash took place in 2005 and the very next year India showcased it during R-Day celebrations.

And yes, for the time being the Mirage 2000 is not the darling of the IAF because its upgrade program has been stalled for a quite a while now.

ASIAN DEFENCE: India could ditch Mirage 2000 upgrade and buy more MRCAs instead

And regarding MiGs, why will India showcase MiG-21s and MiG-27s which were built decades ago?

 

[Windjammer]

And again... you talk without mentioning sources. The last IAF Mirage 2000 crash took place in 2005 and the very next year India showcased it during R-Day celebrations.

And yes, for the time being the Mirage 2000 is not the darling of the IAF because its upgrade program has been stalled for a quite a while now.

ASIAN DEFENCE: India could ditch Mirage 2000 upgrade and buy more MRCAs instead

And regarding MiGs, why will India showcase MiG-21s and MiG-27s which were built decades ago?

My dear, certain sources can't be disclosed and if i had any doubt i wouldn't have posted this article. You see even the MIG-21 had an extensive upgrade to the "Bison" standard but even that has turned out to be somewhat futile exercise. On the other hand the PAF Mirages , F-7s and A-5s are of similar vintage yet they seem to be well exercised, no credibility under question there.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

My dear, certain sources can't be disclosed and if i had any doubt i wouldn't have posted this article. You see even the MIG-21 had an extensive upgrade to the "Bison" standard but even that has turned out to be somewhat futile exercise. On the other hand the PAF Mirages , F-7s and A-5s are of similar vintage yet they seem to be well exercised, no credibility under question there.

Windjammer, you would make a good detective.

 

[karan.1970]

My dear, certain sources can't be disclosed and if i had any doubt i wouldn't have posted this article. You see even the MIG-21 had an extensive upgrade to the "Bison" standard but even that has turned out to be somewhat futile exercise. On the other hand the PAF Mirages , F-7s and A-5s are of similar vintage yet they seem to be well exercised, no credibility under question there.

Sir.. Undisclosed sources have zero credibility no matter how important they are made to sound.. Just like undisclosed proofs that have been received by some forum members from inside sources at ISI

On Mig 21, yes they have a nasty crash record.. and if you insist your same vintage F 7s have a better safety record.. Good for you..N'joy while we upgrade to Flankers and MMRCAs and PAK FA.

 

[Ruag]

My dear, certain sources can't be disclosed and if i had any doubt i wouldn't have posted this article. You see even the MIG-21 had an extensive upgrade to the "Bison" standard but even that has turned out to be somewhat futile exercise. On the other hand the PAF Mirages , F-7s and A-5s are of similar vintage yet they seem to be well exercised, no credibility under question there.

Futile? MiG-21 Bison suffers from maintenance problems but the jets are very well credible. Go do some research on MiG-21 Bison's avionics and its performance during various bilateral exercises.

And besides, MiG-21s are well exercised too. We sent them to Red Flag exercise for Christ sake.

I don't know why I am participating in this non-sense thread. Just because IAF didn't showcase the jets during the R-Day doesn't mean they are not credible.