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Considering the USA wants to shift its strategic stance to the "Indo-Pacific"....It has made some huge miscalculations in Asia over the last 20 years. Chief among these was to over estimate India while simultaneously underestimating China and Pakistan (to a lesser extent).

USA foreign policy think tanks have been hijacked by faction lobbies so will never admit this reality. Any wonder why Biden and Trump before him.... stopped listening to them.
 
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Feel sorry for everyone who’s had someone taken away due to covid. In India, 200,000 dead due to covid, but officials say it’s closer to a million. What happened to the oxygen that’s been sent by other countries such as the uk etc?
 
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USA has nearly 600,000 deaths but never experience such chaos like India.

Do you seriously believe current registration of only more than 200,000 deaths for India of covid-19?

Maybe , they forgot to add an additional zero behind.
It wont be surprised if the total covid deaths in india are above 2 million. Facts are really suppressed in hindutva India.
 
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Feel sorry for everyone who’s had someone taken away due to covid. In India, 200,000 dead due to covid, but officials say it’s closer to a million. What happened to the oxygen that’s been sent by other countries such as the uk etc?

to Hindutva VIP first
 
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India's ruling party leader says 'responsibility is ours' for Covid-19 outbreak


(CNN) Responsibility for the devastating second wave of Covid-19 now sweeping India belongs "first and foremost" to the government, according to Narendra Taneja, a spokesman for the ruling BJP party.
"We are in power, we are the government in India so of course responsibility is first and foremost ours, good or bad, whatever it is. It is our responsibility and we're trying our very level best," Taneja told CNN's Christiane Amanpour on Thursday.
However, he also argued that the current crisis could not have been foreseen. "A lot of people are saying that... we knew in February. At that time, scientists and doctors were more or less of the same view," he said.
"Evidently something went wrong, evidently we were hit by a tsunami, and as you know, you're often not aware. In most cases 80-90% reasons could be external. We don't know. We don't want to blame anybody. We know we're in power, we are responsible.. our focus is now on how we can save lives."


India is experiencing one of the world's worst Covid-19 outbreaks, reporting 379,257 new cases on Thursday, a new global record, according to figures released by the country's health ministry. The country also reported 3,645 deaths, the highest number of Covid-19 deaths the country has reported in a single day. Even more deaths and cases may be going unreported.
India's daily death toll is now projected to continue climbing until mid-May, according to prediction models from the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluations. The death toll could peak at more than 13,000 a day -- more than four times the current daily death toll, the predictions show.
Covid-19 coronavirus patients rest inside a banquet hall temporarily converted into a Covid-19 coronavirus ward in New Delhi on April 29, 2021.


Covid-19 coronavirus patients rest inside a banquet hall temporarily converted into a Covid-19 coronavirus ward in New Delhi on April 29, 2021.

Mass rallies despite warnings
Indian Prime Minister Modi and his Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) party have come under fire for holding several mass rallies in the eastern West Bengal state with thousands in attendance between March and April ahead of state elections. Thursday was the last day of voting and polls have now closed in West Bengal.


When pressed by Amanpour as to why his party continued to hold such events as cases rose, Taneja pushed back and said the "autonomous" Election Commission of India was responsible for allowing elections events to continue to take place over a one and a half month period.
Taneja said that BJP had "no option" on whether to hold rallies because of the Election Commission's decision on when polls were held, saying "we as a political party -- for that matter, all political parties in India -- had no option but to go along with it."
"These are regional elections which had been going for on the last one and a half months, it was not just one date, there was several dates and there were various state assemblies... that was planned a long time in advance by the Election Commission of India which is a constitutional authority reporting only to parliament," he said, adding that the government could not give them a directive because they are autonomous.
Taneja did, however, concede that the rallies gave the public "a kind of message that Covid was over, the threat of Covid was over, that was a bit unfortunate, but as I said, that was not in the hands of the government."
Family members and ambulance workers in protective equipment carry the body of a victim who died of the Covid-19 coronavirus at a cremation ground in New Delhi on April 27, 2021.


Family members and ambulance workers in protective equipment carry the body of a victim who died of the Covid-19 coronavirus at a cremation ground in New Delhi on April 27, 2021.

In February, BJP passed a resolution which declared victory over Covid and hailed PM Modi as a "visionary." Tejera told CNN that such language was "overenthusiastic" but that it was drafted by a very small part of the political party.
The devastating Covid situation has also led India to accept international assistance for the first time in "14 or 15 years," according to Taneja. "These are extraordinary times, and we are grateful and thankful to the people," he said.
"Our focus is how can we basically now defeat Covid and overcome this. I can share with you that we will overcome it and shall overcome it very soon," he added.

 
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April 29, 2021

By Srdja Trifkovic

In the last seven days India has seen more COVID cases than any other country in the world. The official death toll is over 200,000, although the country’s flawed mortality statistics lead experts to believe that the true figure may be much higher. India’s hundreds of thousands of villages are home to hundreds of millions of people; many of these villagers die at home and their deaths remain unregistered.

So many people are dying that crematoriums are overwhelmed, spilling over into parking lots and other empty spaces. Improvised funeral pyres blaze near residential areas, burning thousands who died waiting for hospital beds or oxygen supplies. While a second wave of such ferocity could not have been predicted, the government’s distraction and complacency have turned it into a tragedy.

“With made-in-India solutions, we controlled the spread of the virus and improved our health infrastructure,” Prime Minister Narendra Modi boasted in January. In February his Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) even passed a resolution hailing him as a visionary who had “defeated” COVID-19. Such boasts are now seen as a grotesque exercise in political point scoring, with momentous consequences.

This catastrophic second wave of COVID-19 infections and the manifest failure of Modi’s government to prepare for the crisis or to manage it competently calls into question an apparently attractive vision that has gained traction among some American geostrategic analysts in recent years. Its key tenet is that India can and should develop into a viable counterweight to China’s growing power, and that its political elite can and should be enticed to abandon India’s traditional policy of non-alignment in favor of a close partnership with the United States, leading to a military alliance.

In June 2016 I pointed out that Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s key strategic objectives broadly correspond with America’s interests in Asia. During his 12-day tour of Asia just over a year later, President Donald Trump repeatedly used the term “Indo-Pacific” instead of “Asia-Pacific,” parroting then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s words from a few days earlier. Referring to the Pacific and Indian Oceans as a “single strategic arena,” he described India and the United States as “bookends” within that vast panregion. This was a striking novelty in the public discourse of America’s senior officials.

The unspoken intent was to bring India into a closer partnership with the U.S., Japan, and Australia in order to contain China. Such hopes received fresh impetus after a major border clash between Indian and Chinese troops in June 2020 in the disputed Western Himalayan area of Ladakh, in northern Kashmir. Some experts pointed out that India’s military alliance with the U.S. would be a “strategic nightmare” for China. Others wondered whether India is “the next China” and even argued that India can overtake China in the next decade.

Yet because of the recent COVID disaster, the contrast between India and China could not be starker. “China’s economy springs back from pandemic hit with record growth,” the Financial Times proclaimed on April 16, an event made possible because China successfully contained the virus. Comparable to India in terms of population (around 1.4 billion) but vastly different in culture and political institutions, China proved to be a more disciplined society with a more efficient civil service.

It is easy to ascribe the difference in outcome to China’s ruthless one-party rule. The epidemic could have been a significant threat to the legitimacy of the Chinese Communist Party, but it would not have been able to impose discipline on an unwilling populace. It is noteworthy that some countries which share many cultural traits with China but have a Western-style democratic system—notably Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore—have also been far more successful at controlling the virus than India.

The crux of the matter is that India is still largely a poor, internally divided, developing country. It is divided by both the resilient caste system and by religion. Even a Harvard pedigree does not rid one of caste, and the nation’s 200 million Muslims experience an uneasy coexistence with the majority Hindus. This spirit of mutual suspicion occasionally explodes into raw hatred.

India became a single polity under the British Raj in 1858, but the spirit of national unity, which the Congress Party tried to impose from above after the country gained independence in 1948, has never been internalized by the society.

In contrast China is an internally integrated nation-state par excellence. From the time of Qin Shi Huang, China’s first emperor (who ruled in 221-210 BC) the Middle Kingdom has been developing as a centralized state with a homogenous population, avoiding expansion beyond its ability to assimilate its new subjects. The ranks of its famously efficient civil service were filled on merit. Even the conquering Mongols kept the state structure essentially intact when their Yuan dynasty ruled China (1271-1368). Its current leaders are supposedly guided by the teachings of Marx, Engels, and Lenin. Nevertheless, China’s internal cohesion and its grand strategy vis-à-vis the rest of the world arguably would not have been much different today had the Kuomintang won the civil war back in 1949.

In the vital arena of economic growth, instead of catching up India is slipping behind. For 25 years following the beginning of Deng Xiaoping’s reforms in 1978, China’s average growth rate was 75 percent higher than that of India. Their per capita income was roughly the same in 1980. Today China’s per capita GDP is $10,000 while India’s is just $2,000. Even if calculated in purchasing parity terms (PPP), China still leads India by 86 percent. Per capita China has ten times more cellphones, four times more computers, and four times more TVs. China’s adult literacy rate is 97 percent, India’s 75 percent. The list goes on.

The ongoing COVID-19 debacle has laid bare certain structural weaknesses of the Indian state and society which have been present ever since independence. The country has had periods of solid growth rates since the early 1990s, but its birth rates have kept pace with economic growth and the problem remains unresolved. Its islands of impressive development—such as the IT industry complex in Hyderabad—remain surrounded by a sea of squalor. Modi was reelected in 2019 largely by pandering to passionate Hindu nationalism. His handling of the COVID crisis has been deplorable.

The U.S. would make a strategic mistake of the first order to treat India as a potential ally with the capacity to confront and contain China, or as a full-fledged American partner in the geopolitical great game. In reality India will not be able to compete with China in the post-COVID world. The advocates of an outright alliance need to consider the likely downside. Even if India were to depart from its traditional policy of non-alignment, instead of becoming a mighty asset of the U.S.-led ring of containment it could easily turn into yet another American defense dependent.

A security guarantee would likely disincentivize India from investing in its own defense. (Just think of NATO’s rich European members!) At the same time such a guarantee could make it dangerously confident in the belief that it is America’s duty to protect it. It is easy to imagine some future BJP government feeling emboldened to pursue more confrontational policies with its northern neighbor. That could get the U.S. entangled in risky scenarios with no benefit whatsoever to America’s well-being and security.

The only sensible strategy is to let the two Asian giants sort out their mutual relations as they see fit. In the Indian Subcontinent—and everywhere else for that matter—it is in America’s interest to reduce its commitments, rather than extend them.

Srdja Trifkovic
Dr. Srdja Trifkovic, Foreign Affairs Editor of Chronicles, is the author of The Sword of the Prophet and Defeating Jihad.


The verdict couldn't be anymore damning for Modi and Hindustan. Even the most fervently Islam hating stooges are now realizing what we already knew decades ago. The West has bet on the wrong horse. India was never capable and worthy of being the counterweight against China.

With Indians utter incompetence on full display, I would rather have India as an enemy rather than an ally

India - ally, you need send 50 divisions to defend her
India - neutral, you need 5 divisions watching her

India - enemy, you only need 2 divisions to conquer her
 
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35-year-old Shyam, who lives near the crematorium, told NDTV, "I have lived here all my life. In 35 years I have never witnessed a situation like this. On usual days, the crematorium used to shut by 6 PM. But now it runs round the clock. All these additional bodies are cremated in the open parking lot and the smoke and fumes enter our houses. We can't even open our windows at any point. This crematorium is in the middle of a residential area. Psychologically also it is very disturbing to see funeral pyres lit up all night and we understand the pain of those who have lost their loved ones."

You know when you such tragic stories, you do pity the Indians. And yet when they should be trying to save India they come here to troll. Maybe they are false flaggers, for those who are not and still put BS here about China amidst this horrible pandemic deserve the leadership India currently has.

Why can't they use gas/Oil/Coal powered crematoriums?
 
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Total health sector collapse in India 🥺😭
They need to put armed soldiers outside the hospitals to secure it from violent people.
It is spreading so fast, so many bodies and woods running out they might have to use gasoline to send their loved ones into the next afterlife. The horrific eerie scenery of pyres lighting up at night, the smoke and smell entering homes just imagine the poor people must be having trouble sleeping. It's a nightmare you do not want to experience it yourself.
Very sad indeed.
 
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Considering the USA wants to shift its strategic stance to the "Indo-Pacific"....It has made some huge miscalculations in Asia over the last 20 years. Chief among these was to over estimate India while simultaneously underestimating China and Pakistan (to a lesser extent).

USA foreign policy think tanks have been hijacked by faction lobbies so will never admit this reality. Any wonder why Biden and Trump before him.... stopped listening to them.
The biggest mistake the US made was to lose Pakistan as an ally. The second biggest mistake they made was to feel big while destroying countries like Iraq/Libya and Syria, all the while they lost treasure and men, while their long term competitors were getting stronger. Perhaps it is a foregone eventuality that hubris filled empire are bound to make such fatal errors. As Pakistanis we'll never forget that the US bombed our citizens, our soldiers, and our soil. Those ignominious acts will be etched through Pakistani history and Pakistani minds. It will remain unforgotten just like the Pressler, and Soya Beans . Combine that with the supposed "Bin Laden" discovery in Abbottabad, and you have two states that are lost for ever to each other. The implications of which the US will truly feel in the next couple of decades.
 
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With Indians utter incompetence on full display, I would rather have India as an enemy rather than an ally

India - ally, you need send 50 divisions to defend her
India - neutral, you need 5 divisions watching her

India - enemy, you only need 2 divisions to conquer her
Under which rock are your two divisions sleeping for the last 80 years?
The only strategic outcome that’d benefit india out of this would be the collective waking up of the population in order to reinstate faith in our secular democratic principles, which seem to be missing for quite some time now.
 
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