Couple who named their son after Adolf Hitler jailed

[Joe Shearer]

I never understood why people choose to join the various groups, who became a partisan, who was a communist, why communists defied Stalin/Soviets later.

Interesting question, and I have no quick answer. Have you read Djilas?

I was interested in the topic by the sheer number of German officers who were executed by Yugolsavs at the end of the war. they were merciless in dispensing victor's justice - much more than the Soviets

Where did you get this metric?

 

[Soumitra]

I agree, but not without exceptions. Nazi- or neo-Nazi ideology is one of those; Naxalism and their preaching of murder as a political weapon is another. The RSS is a third.

What about Anti National Slogans in JNU, The pro Seperatist voices like Arundhati Roy?

@Nilgiri I agree with you on many things but IMO the Slippery Slope argument is pure BS.

We have to nip these problems in the bud.

 

[Nilgiri]

What about Anti National Slogans in JNU, The pro Seperatist voices like Arundhati Roy?

@Nilgiri I agree with you on many things but IMO the Slippery Slope argument is pure BS.

We have to nip these problems in the bud.

And how do you propose to nip these in the bud?

 

[Soumitra]

And how do you propose to nip these in the bud?

Removal of all scholarship and govt funding for anti-national students.

Dismissal of the teachers who promote such anti-national activities.

Jailing of activists who support stone pelters and seperatists.

 

[Nilgiri]

Removal of all scholarship and govt funding for anti-national students.

Dismissal of the teachers who promote such anti-national activities.

Jailing of activists who support stone pelters and seperatists.

Then pass the legislation under current constitution.

First you have to define what "anti-national" is very precisely and what level of "support" warrants govt action on an individual regarding this...and be prepared to deal with the consequences of other parties down the road reversing it etc etc...and applying govt enforcement of what they deem to be "anti-national" against other groups of people....using what you did as the precedent.

Or you can simply create a better minimalist system that allows people to think as they want and talk as they want...and only apply authority where there is clearly delineated harm to individual...and debate and build up (bottom - up) from there as it portends to direct harm on individuals.....rather than being the instigator of using govt lever in such broad fashion (and allowing that lever to exist for others to use in ways you do not forsee today).

People also have to become naturally independent and resilient by use of logic and reasoning....rather than simply latch onto big govt dependency for notions of nationalism and nationhood. This is always far more resilient long term...given it comes from within not from outside in top-down way.

Given where India has come from (with massive pilfering and extraction of wealth) ...I agree there is an argument for greater use of govt-national "glue"..till the society is sufficiently wealthy and developed to revisit this debate genuinely at a core level.....but there must be some recognition of what the long term ideal we are striving for is....it should never be big govt....because big authoritarian enabled govts have tendency to turn against its people with enough time.

My basic argument here anyway is more regarding the developed western countries anyway. But there are examples of a greater concept of what I am getting at that I can use India (which is in a nebulous transition right now) as well to illustrate to Joe and anyone else reading....why things may not be as they seem w.r.t the easy way to silence people that think differently to you....but have not commited any (recognised by all) crime per se.

 

[vostok]

portugal, italy and greece are white even though they have a lot of people with those feature sets

By your standards - may be. Not by mine. We call people black even if he had white skin, blue eyes and blaсk hair. That girl has dark skin, black hair and black eyes - she is definitely not white.

 

[nahtanbob]

By your standards - may be. Not by mine. We call people black even if he had white skin, blue eyes and blaсk hair. That girl has dark skin, black hair and black eyes - she is definitely not white.

my standards are those of anthropologists

 

[vostok]

my standards are those of anthropologists

You know that standarts are changing all the time? Use your own eyes, not someone's words.

 

[nahtanbob]

You know that standarts are changing all the time? Use your own eyes, not someone's words.

anthropologists study the problem a little more deeper than my eyes

fyi I understood why someone from Russia would classify the way you do

 

[Damir877]

i never understood who in yugoslavia decided to partner with Nazis and who decided to fight them

They basically installed puppet goverments and created proxy armies in most ex-yu states which were too busy fighting and massacring eachother,then helping Germany and Italy(which was the real reason they were formed).
Unfortunately when it become clear that the war will end,many thousands low level collaborators were pardoned and some actually joined the partisans(only ones who actively fought fascist the whole time).

Whats really funny is the fact that there is a history revision going on in all of former YU since the fall of socialism,with several states glorifying it's own collaborators and claiming they were the real anti-fascist, which is both hilarious and alarming at the same time.

 

[vostok]

Whats really funny is the fact that there is a history revision going on in all of former YU since the fall of socialism,with several states glorifying it's own collaborators and claiming they were the real anti-fascist, which is both hilarious and alarming at the same time.

The same thing in Ukraine. SS-officer is now became Hero of Ukraine. Streets are named after him. Collaborators from SS-division were equated in status to the soldiers of the Red Army. History is rewritten on our eyes.

 

[911]

Liberal countries banned Adolf Hitler for years but fascist country like ours celebrate Taimur.

 

[Damir877]

The same thing in Ukraine. SS-officer is now became Hero of Ukraine. Streets are named after him. Collaborators from SS-division were equated in status to the soldiers of the Red Army. History is rewritten on our eyes.

It's a confusing thing to say the least,people who my generation was taught are traitors and war criminals are now heroes,while partisan national heroes are erased like they never existed.Even on the internet it's hard to find them,except the the highest ranked ones.
What about Russia?Is this trend present there as well?

 

[Zhukov]

Freedom of Speech.??
When we say don't allow hate speech that have no intention whatsoever except to offend sentiments of millions of people. We are shutted down with freedom of speech argument.
And then comes these news. Jailed for beliefs and expression affecting nobody's Lives

 

[vostok]

It's a confusing thing to say the least,people my generation was taught are traitors and war criminals are now heroes,while partisan national heroes are erased like they never existed.Even on the internet it's hard to find them,except the the highest ranked ones.
What about Russia?Is this trend present there as well?

In Russia it is ok. Heroes remaine heroes, while traitors remaine traitors. Like in Belorussia, as well.
Hitler considered the Slavs subhumans, and these assholes are now pretending to be pride Nazis. Poor headless idiots.