Could BD deploy air defence destroyer in rivers?

[Nilgiri]

I am more interested at acquiring S-400 long range SAM after getting LY-80E medium range SAM. Put one battery of S-400 near Dhaka and the entire country will come within it's range.It will cost us around 1.2 billion dollar.We should afford it.

Will have to seek permission from Dada for S-400. Even the Russians will tell you that.

 

[arp2041]

I love d bangladeshi spirit here.....they will not ask if we can afford a destroyer but d question will be if we can deploy it in our rivers....

Soon you will see a thread which will ask which fighters should we buy for bd's aircraft carrier!

 

[alaungphaya]

Yeah - say as you wish but if this idea is feasible then BD will eventually adopt it. It may not be an air-defence destroyer but could be some other form of river-based transport with a modified land-based SAM system put on it.

Just because this has never been done before does not mean it will not be suitable for a country for it's unique geography and time.

No-one ever thought about massing tanks in formations till it was proposed by a Frenchman 20 years after WW1.
This idea was adopted by Germany and their tanks rolled through Europe for many years in WW2.

What mainly Indians and one Myanmarese think is completely irrelevant.

Lots of things are feasible. It's feasible to eat a pizza with chopsticks wearing boxing gloves. People don't do it 'cos it's stupid. Similarly your idea is stupid. Ofcourse it's possible that you, UKBengali from the internet, are a genius and have stumbled upon a great strategy that no one has thought of before. More likely it is a brain fart that maybe you should stop talking about.

 

[Nilgiri]

Lots of things are feasible. It's feasible to eat a pizza with chopsticks wearing boxing gloves. People don't do it 'cos it's stupid. Similarly your idea is stupid. Ofcourse it's possible that you, UKBengali from the internet, are a genius and have stumbled upon a great strategy that no one has thought of before. More likely it is a brain fart that maybe you should stop talking about.

Rather than analysing sea based things into land based alternatives....it should be the other way around for obvious reasons

 

[idune]

I am more interested at acquiring S-400 long range SAM after getting LY-80E medium range SAM. Put one battery of S-400 near Dhaka and the entire country will come within it's range.It will cost us around 1.2 billion dollar.We should afford it.

Right, right, we get you. awami league wasted most of defense fund in buying impractical arms against real threat perceptions. Even air defense systems bought are obsolete considering threats Bangladesh faces. You are here to dump another load of crap about s400. Besides money, s400 type systems requires political will (domestically) and political capital (relationship with Russia). Awami league regime being an indian proxy has neither. That is why awami league trying to get HQ16 (medium range about 40 KM) instead of long range HQ9 system. Medium range is non consequential against threat from india. Indian aircraft can launch missile attack well beyond HQ16 range.

 

[Bilal9]

You also have to consider depth, a river just may not have the depth to operate a ship of that size.

The maximum depth of the River Padma (Podda) even 60 miles upstream from the mouth (Chandpur region where it joins the Meghna river) is 1,571 feet (479 meters) and average depth is 968 feet(295 meters).

The avg. depth of the Yangtze river on the other hand is about 656 feet (200 meters). The Mississippi river is only 200 ft (61 meters) deep.

Given proper draft and buoy observance, operating a 052D class is feasible up to 300 miles inland from the mouth (Draft: 6.5 m/ 21.3 ft).

This is one of the interesting secrets of our watery land few outsiders know about.

 

[Nilgiri]

The maximum depth of the River Padma (Podda) even 60 miles upstream from the mouth (Chandpur region where it joins the Meghna river) is 1,571 feet (479 meters) and average depth is 968 feet(295 meters).

The avg. depth of the Yangtze river on the other hand is about 656 feet (200 meters). The Mississippi river is only 200 ft (61 meters) deep.

Given proper draft and buoy observance, operating a 052D class is feasible up to 300 miles inland from the mouth (Draft: 6.5 m/ 21.3 ft).

This is one of the interesting secrets of our watery land few outsiders know about.

But how consistent/variable is this depth is the main question. There may be channels the ships are stuck to following in certain areas of the river which would compromise their operation envelope considerably.....both for maneuvering and clutter/countermeasure operations.

Not to mention this a moot point anyway given cruise missiles and such can hide themselves quite easily in the ground clutter (talked about earlier in the thread)....which an ADS is not designed fundamentally to handle.

 

[UKBengali]

But how consistent/variable is this depth is the main question. There may be channels the ships are stuck to following in certain areas of the river which would compromise their operation envelope considerably.....both for maneuvering and clutter/countermeasure operations.

Not to mention this a moot point anyway given cruise missiles and such can hide themselves quite easily in the ground clutter (talked about earlier in the thread)....which an ADS is not designed fundamentally to handle.

These cruise missiles would be picked up by ground based radar and/or AWACs aircraft.
All BD sensor systems would be integrated so what one sees, all sees.
In a sense, the destroyer would be acting as a mobile SAM launcher which will be much harder
to destroy than say a S-400 launcher.

Padma can easily handle a ship like Type-052D as it is many miles in diameter and even gets to more than 10 miles wide in many places. Ship will only take the widest channels which are never less than at least a few miles wide -these count for a small amount of the length of river in BD anyway.

Now stop coming up with one silly problem after another and come up with an actual real problem - you
have a valid one as regards changing the algorithm from sea to land but maybe BD would need to install
a long-range land based SAM on a ship instead.

 

[Nilgiri]

These cruise missiles would be picked up by ground based radar and/or AWACs aircraft.
All BD sensor systems would be integrated so what one sees, all sees.
In a sense, the destroyer would be acting as a mobile SAM launcher which will be much harder
to destroy than say a S-400 launcher.

Padma can easily handle a ship like Type-052D as it is many miles in diameter and even gets to more than 10 miles wide in many places. Ship will only take the widest channels which are never less than at least a few miles wide -these count for a small amount of the length of river in BD anyway.

Now stop coming up with one silly problem after another and come up with an actual real problem - you
have a valid one as regards changing the algorithm from sea to land but maybe BD would need to install
a long-range land based SAM on a ship instead.

I actually hope BD navy goes for your stupid idea if it can even afford such a system (and somehow manages to get the all clear from Delhi for it). Gambit, genesis, penguin and pretty much everyone that actually has a brain on the matter have all spoken conclusively and here you are trying to keep this dead fish afloat quite literally.

Like I said, be thankful the Bangladesh Navy is not going to be as retarded as you are....and if they are....well they deserve whats coming to them along with the rest of the ansar "prime".

 

[UKBengali]

I actually hope BD navy goes for your stupid idea if it can even afford such a system (and somehow manages to get the all clear from Delhi for it). Gambit, genesis, penguin and pretty much everyone that actually has a brain on the matter have all spoken conclusively and here you are trying to keep this dead fish afloat quite literally.

Like I said, be thankful the Bangladesh Navy is not going to be as retarded as you are....and if they are....well they deserve whats coming to them along with the rest of the ansar "prime".

No they have not as they formed their opinion based on certain factors at play.
These factors can always be modified and penguin accepted my modified scenario as plausible,
while gambit did not reply for one reason or another.