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My scheme of operation:
1. Transport 4 Corps of PLA to Pakistan Lahore
2. One Corps of PLA enters into Tibet front line to contain Indian 3rd, 4th and 17th Corps, together of the military power in Tibet
3. 2nd Corps of Pakistan and 4 Corps of PLA form "Southern Group(SG)" and intrude Indian through boudary of Indian Punjab and Rajastan, and get Indian 2nd,9th,10th,11th, 14th, 15th, 16th surrounded by PA and PLA; North Areas Command and Special Security Division of Pakistan, 4 division of PLA form "Northern Group(NG)"; 5th and 12th Corps of Pakistan contain Indian 12th and 21th Corps in Rajastan and Gujarat
4. The SG use one Corps to defend Indian 1st Corps,with 4 Corps Attack from south,the NG attack from north,and 1st, 4th, 10th, 11th and 30th attack from the west, to emlimilate 7 Corps of Indian
5. With such a big failure, then the war comes to the 2nd stage. At this stage, it is easy to persuade BD and Nepel to join the war. Then Pakistan and PLA will continue to attack and eliminate the Indian remaining 1st, 12nd and 21st Corps and Captured Modi. On the east, one Corps of PLA army and Nepel army will attack from Sikkim and cut the connection of Indian Notheast army with other Indian army, then one Corps of PLA from north and 10 division of BD army from south will attack and eliminate Indian 3rd, 4th and 33rd Corps.
6. Then it comes to the 3rd stage - dividing Indian between Pakistan, China, Nepel and BD. Let's discuss it on the next meeting.
 
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So true, my friend. We have two victories in our hands but we never cash out and inline our economy with EU. Maybe our core Islamic values have dominated our mindset and have allowed us to not focus on material gaining.
My confidence on the Pak General Staffs has increased manifolds seeing their twin victories in Afghanistan...

It's no job of the ordinary folks to have their level of Sabr and Shukr under relentless Mujadele! The latest case being how India has been being trapped into a two-front scenario! Now, it's like IB + LOC + LAC till India's end...
 
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My gut feelings is India will attack Pak for all of her preps are all against Pak...

In 1962, China attacked and took away Aksai Chin from India..

In 1965, India attacked Pak...

*I have read somewhere: when the impending Chinese attack was disclosed to Nehru, he asked them to concentrate on Pak
**After the Chinese invasion in '62 India received a huge amount of military stuffs from both the West and the USSR. The Pak defense minister remarked they'd be used against Pak

This time around it China and Pakistan both and it is all coordinated. All Pakistan has to do is defence, whereas, China would sweep through the Northern areas of India and Delhi. Just have a look at the map of india to see how close Delhi is to the troubled North.
 
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This time around it China and Pakistan both and it is all coordinated. All Pakistan has to do is defence, whereas, China would sweep through the Northern areas of India and Delhi. Just have a look at the map of india to see how close Delhi is to the troubled North.
.... Hammer and anvil....
 
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Never underestimate your enemy.in order to hurt China,they can attack our highway which connects us from China. India is in no position to face China directly.they are finding ways to avenge it. We shouldn't live in delusion. India is bitter enemy of pakistan and for face saving,they can do anything.
so inorder to hurt china they will attack pakistan and control the highway???? great. indians are not that much idiots to open a two front war themselves. "aa bail mujhay mar". bulkay do bail marain gay mil kay.
 
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No need for Pakistan to get fully involved as this will create sympathy for India globally on a strategic level. However at a tactical level we could help out the Chinese and fortify our positions on LOC by taking out a few Indian posts that overlook Pak positions.
 
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There are many things he can do but no point to mention them again here since many other members already said on this platform.

In meantime Bajwa is busy in inquiring opposition members's corona health, giving useless speeches of thwarting enemy's design in IOK while practically doing nothing, letting FC's soldiers die in Balochistan etc.
unfortunately I have to disagree with you. there is every point in delineating your concerns regarding what Bajwa is doing or not doing since you have made a sweeping statement that he should go. In a debate you outline your concerns in support of what you have written and allow the other poster to respond. You have not done so which makes life difficult for me as I want to hear and respond to your concerns.
My disclaimer is that I am not related to in any way with the armed forces or their structure. I have lived in UK for the last 30 years so am distanced from the nitty gritty of day to day living in pakistan. I am however, on account of this distance immune to the general rumor mongering in pakistan and can be objective in my analysis
Let me summarize my point of view and we can continue with the debate if you so desire:
A. No one disagrees that as a general principle, extensions to COAS should not be given. However, there are quite a few points we need to consider here.
1. Pakistan is going through a huge crisis. The new government has had problems which are unprecedented in recent history. All myriads of problems from financial to having a minority Government, a bunch of thieves within and without, and a totally inept and corrupt beaurocracy. The army has palyed a stabilizing role which has led to rumurs that the army is running the show from behind the scenes. While this may or may not be true, it is certainly true that there is a certain assurance on the part of PM that the current COAS is supportive of his regime and being purely professional will only "help" if asked. This make life easy for the PM and he made the decision.
2. We have an evolving situation with Indian occupation of Kashmir which will lead to annexation of Kashmir eventually. IK needs an army chief who can navigate Pakistan through this very tricky situation. There are quite a few complexities here and I have written about them. Needless to say and very unfortunately so, aggressive war is not the answer here and Pakistan's claim will only be accepted if the aggressor is India. This is such a tricky condition that in spite of hating what India is doing we cannot intervene. Within a remit of defence we will have aggressive designs but again the complexities need to be understood and abided by to solve this conundrum. Bajwa's continued leadership will help in this regard. His speeches serve a purpose to boost the mrale of the forces as well as the Kashmiri resistance but do you really know what else he is doing behind the scenes? If you do not how can you say he is or is not doing anything about Kashmir?
3. The Afghan situation and its resolution requires someone who has dealt with the US before and a new maverick may not understand the politics involved. Sometimes in spite of your gut feelings to the contrary, you need assured leadership in place to deal with a current evolving situation in a theater where a wrong move could effect your very existence. This is not something which people comprehend but with established core leadership and support with in the army and polity, Bajwa is a much better asset than a new COAS who may(cant say with any assurance but base it on inexperience in the post) get overwhelmed by the whole situation.
You have intimated that he only asks about he health of opposition leadership. How do you know this and what is the true scope of the conversation that goes on?
Regarding FC soldiers deaths, what do you suggest we do? The key to control the situation is first to cut their exit routes which is being done by talking to Iran and mutual fencing of the borders. ( understand the Iranians may not be doing much to fence the border but the fencing has been a long awaited action which should have been done right at the beginning of the WOT). Till you do that there will be ambushes and people will get hurt on both sides. We have a tricky situation where we have little or no control on the political setup, longstanding grievances within the province against the army. You cannot alienate the whole province by doing a harsh action in the province. This needs to wait till all egress points are controlled. at this stage you will see sense prevailing in the province in any case as people only fight if they can win. If there is no hope they will either leave of compromise. these are at the end of the day our own brothers so how much force do you use against your own kith and kin? This is the dilemma. As an elder you do take a bit of unruliness from your younger brothers and are graceful in your response to them. This balance is what Bajwa and the army wants to establish.
I look forward to a response from you.
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No need for Pakistan to get fully involved as this will create sympathy for India globally on a strategic level. However at a tactical level we could help out the Chinese and fortify our positions on LOC by taking out a few Indian posts that overlook Pak positions.
Hi Yasser.
You have outlined such a key point in this whole debate that most posters are not understanding. Modern day wars are as much on the field as they are off the field. I think the 27/02 was so sublimely beautiful for Pakistan as it was a comprehensive defeat of the Indian narrative and designs at multiple levels. One can no longer go aon a rampage as it defeats the whole purpose and makes a war that may have been won on land a disaster from an international perspective and lose out long term. Eventually and I hate myself for saying this, the IOK needs to have a totally indegenous movement to wrest control away from India. As soon as we intervene we will cause irreparable harm to the whole struggle as it will be labelled as an externally motivated uprising
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so inorder to hurt china they will attack pakistan and control the highway???? great. indians are not that much idiots to open a two front war themselves. "aa bail mujhay mar". bulkay do bail marain gay mil kay.
I have to say there may be another false flag movement with a quick response across the border and declared on the media front as a "great Victory". The masses need to be kept happy. However the Sino Indian scuffle needs to be kept a close eye on. if this develops further(currently unlikely) we need to look very carefully at how this can be "manipulated" to our advantage. However, I have to say the action needs to be comprehensive to resolve many issues plaguing the border once and for all. This maybe a risky move and needs to be looked at very closely in the perspective of wider implications and outcomes. No use of a war if it ends up in scorched land
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If the Chinese step on the gas - we need to go full throttle for Kashmir.
The real question is will they?????? At the end of the day the Chinese will look after their ow n interests. However, if OUR interests collide then!!!!!!
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My scheme of operation:
1. Transport 4 Corps of PLA to Pakistan Lahore
2. One Corps of PLA enters into Tibet front line to contain Indian 3rd, 4th and 17th Corps, together of the military power in Tibet
3. 2nd Corps of Pakistan and 4 Corps of PLA form "Southern Group(SG)" and intrude Indian through boudary of Indian Punjab and Rajastan, and get Indian 2nd,9th,10th,11th, 14th, 15th, 16th surrounded by PA and PLA; North Areas Command and Special Security Division of Pakistan, 4 division of PLA form "Northern Group(NG)"; 5th and 12th Corps of Pakistan contain Indian 12th and 21th Corps in Rajastan and Gujarat
4. The SG use one Corps to defend Indian 1st Corps,with 4 Corps Attack from south,the NG attack from north,and 1st, 4th, 10th, 11th and 30th attack from the west, to emlimilate 7 Corps of Indian
5. With such a big failure, then the war comes to the 2nd stage. At this stage, it is easy to persuade BD and Nepel to join the war. Then Pakistan and PLA will continue to attack and eliminate the Indian remaining 1st, 12nd and 21st Corps and Captured Modi. On the east, one Corps of PLA army and Nepel army will attack from Sikkim and cut the connection of Indian Notheast army with other Indian army, then one Corps of PLA from north and 10 division of BD army from south will attack and eliminate Indian 3rd, 4th and 33rd Corps.
6. Then it comes to the 3rd stage - dividing Indian between Pakistan, China, Nepel and BD. Let's discuss it on the next meeting.
Sorry!! Completely disagree with PLA boots on Pak soil. Again this will defeat the whole purpose of the exercise.
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Never underestimate your enemy.in order to hurt China,they can attack our highway which connects us from China. India is in no position to face China directly.they are finding ways to avenge it. We shouldn't live in delusion. India is bitter enemy of pakistan and for face saving,they can do anything.
kindly elaborate how will india attack the karakora highway, which bases are going to be used and from which side this attack will happen...
 
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The real question is will they?????? At the end of the day the Chinese will look after their ow n interests. However, if OUR interests collide then!!!!!!

I don't think they will. They're looking for an exit strategy too. Ideally they'll want a re-adjustment of LAC.

India won't fight them unless it's compelled to. China wants to push as much as it can without cornering India into fighting a war.
 
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The first preview of its kind in the entire world in which the chiefs of all forces gathered in ISI headquarters. Never see such type of meeting trend in 2008 LoC or Feb 2019. something big is coming.
nothing big will come.do not up your hopes.
we have pacifist leadership whos only react when india do something. they never think about something to do before india.
 
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Hell with the Bajwa khusra doctrine, Bajwa is not the founder/owner of Pakistan that Pakistan needs to follow his low IQ cowardly doctrine.

This is why the forum will never be taken seriously. Posts like this.
 
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