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Congratulations to all Muslims, happy the birthday of prophet's 11th grandson.

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Congratulation.

Who is prophet's grand son.

Some end times savior guy whom narrations are literally all fabricated during Abbasid Era, and times prior to that like when Abdullah Bin Zbuier was fleeing to Madina. There's no narrations on him that are authentic. Shia's believe he is a guy born thousand plus years ago named Muhammed Bin Askari. Sunni's believe he will be born at the end times and go by Mohammed or Ahmed. Just know while reading any narrations(hadith) on this subject, most if not all were fabricated thanks to people interests at the time.
 
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Some end times savior guy whom narrations are literally all fabricated during Abbasid Era, and times prior to that like when Abdullah Bin Zbuier was fleeing to Madina. There's no narrations on him that are authentic. Shia's believe he is a guy born thousand plus years ago named Muhammed Bin Askari. Sunni's believe he will be born at the end times and go by Mohammed or Ahmed. Just know while reading any narrations(hadith) on this subject, most if not all were fabricated thanks to people interests at the time.
And the point to me, both sides believed in him. Living for thousand years is not weird thing when we consider prophet Noah PBUH and his age.
I don't care that someone says he is born or some others say he is to be born in the future, the matter is his goal to implement justice in human world.
 
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Some end times savior guy whom narrations are literally all fabricated during Abbasid Era, and times prior to that like when Abdullah Bin Zbuier was fleeing to Madina. There's no narrations on him that are authentic. Shia's believe he is a guy born thousand plus years ago named Muhammed Bin Askari. Sunni's believe he will be born at the end times and go by Mohammed or Ahmed. Just know while reading any narrations(hadith) on this subject, most if not all were fabricated thanks to people interests at the time.
I think this need some background to understand it but isn't the concept of reborning against the Islam?
 
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He was never born. His birth and come back was only "a philosophical assumption" to save the Imamah theory from collapsing. It was not even a confirmed ideology عقيدة for Shia after his father's death. It was only a "possibility"ظن by the people who were around at that time and who expected his return within few years. Now it has been over 1183 years since this philosophical assumption was ever suggested. You get the point.
 
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I don't have enough time to show you ayat of Quran and hadiths of prophet Mohamad (s) to show who are on right path.

Anyway do you think the ones who have martyred 11 imams from prophet's grandsons are on the right path? What kind of religion do you have??? For example if Jews had martyred 11 children of prophet Moses (a) would you support prophet Moses (a) and his household or killers of his family????

It is very simple,
there is religion, and there is history. Keep both of them separate.
Arabs didn't get the history preservation right, so has everyone else.

Quran calls it self, the right book for guidance, the only book for guidance and the word of God.

That is where the buck stops. Anything and everything after that, is politics.

If you don't believe this, you are logically negating the word of God in Quran.
 
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Only Prophet PBUH is important. And he has already told not to make any icons for Islam other than him. :disagree:
Rest is politics.
 
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Only Prophet PBUH is important. And he has already told not to make any icons for Islam other than him. :disagree:
Rest is politics.
It is very simple,
there is religion, and there is history. Keep both of them separate.
Arabs didn't get the history preservation right, so has everyone else.

Quran calls it self, the right book for guidance, the only book for guidance and the word of God.

That is where the buck stops. Anything and everything after that, is politics.

If you don't believe this, you are logically negating the word of God in Quran.
You lack the very basic knowledges of Islam that are brought to us from Allah by his messager prophet Mohammad (s).


Quran:

O [Muhammad], say, "I do not ask you for any payment for my preaching to you except love of [my near] relatives." 42:23

Allah only intends to remove from you the impurity, O people of the [Prophet's] household, and to purify you with [extensive] purification 33:33

Allah did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people 3:33

And certainly Allah made a covenant with the children of Israel, and We raised up among them twelve chieftains; and Allah said: Surely I am with you; if you keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and believe in My apostles and assist them and offer to Allah a goodly gift, I will most certainly cover your evil deeds, and I will most certainly cause you to enter into gardens beneath which rivers flow, but whoever disbelieves from among you after that, he indeed shall lose the right way. 5:12

But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others). 5:13


Thaqhalayn Hadith:

Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up to deliver sermon at a watering place known as Khumm situated between Mecca and Medina. He praised Allah, extolled Him and delivered the sermon and. exhorted (us) and said: Now to our purpose. O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family. He (Husain) said to Zaid: Who are the members of his household? Aren't his wives the members of his family? Thereupon he said: His wives are the members of his family (but here) the members of his family are those for whom acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. And he said: Who are they? Thereupon he said: 'Ali and the offspring of 'Ali, 'Aqil and the offspring of 'Aqil and the offspring of Ja'far and the offspring of 'Abbas. Husain said: These are those for whom the acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. Zaid said: Yes."

Sunnis tend to view this as Sahih and have included it in Sahih Muslim[4]

A narration attributed to Yazid b. Hayyan reports:

We went to him (Zaid b. Arqam) and said to him. You have found goodness (for you had the honour) to live in the company of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and offered prayer behind him, and the rest of the hadith is the same but with this variation of wording that lie said: Behold, for I am leaving amongst you two weighty things, one of which is the Book of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, and that is the rope of Allah. He who holds it fast would be on right guidance and he who abandons it would be in error, and in this (hadith) these words are also found: We said: Who are amongst the members of the household? Aren't the wives (of the Holy Prophet) included amongst the members of his house hold? Thereupon he said: No, by Allah, a woman lives with a man (as his wife) for a certain period; he then divorces her and she goes back to her parents and to her people; the members of his household include his ownself and his kith and kin (who are related to him by blood) and for him the acceptance of Zakat is prohibited."

Sunnis tend to view this as Sahih and have included it in Sahih Muslim[5]

A narration attributed to Tirmidhireports:

I am leaving among you something which is very important and should be followed, you will not go astray if you get hold of it after I am gone, one part of it being more important than the other: Allah's Book, which is a rope stretched from Heaven to Earth, and my close relatives, who belong to my household. These two will not separate from one another till they come down to the reservoir, so consider how you act regarding them after my departure."

While both Sunnis and Shi'as believe in respecting Ahl al-Bayt, the Shi'a believe that the successors of Muhammad were appointed from the Ahl al-Bayt, while Sunnis reject the claim that anyone was appointed as successor.

But according to the Muwatta[6] by Malik ibn Anas:

“ " 46.3 Yahya related to me from Malik that he heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "I have left two things with you. As long as you hold fast to them, you will not go astray. They are the Book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet.". ”
[7] - Some chains of transmission of this Hadith are Sahih and this Hadith is mentioned in many other books as well.

There are also other versions of this Hadith that say:[non-primary source needed]

“ "I leave for you the Quran alone you shall uphold it. Muslim 15/19, nu 1218; ibn Majah 25/84, Abu dawud 11/56. ”
.[original research?]

The Household

Majority of scholars are of the view that the household which Muhammad is referring to here include not only Ali, Fatima and the descendants of Muhammad, it includes his wives as well. When we look for the word "ahlulbayt" (meaning household) in the Qur'an, then we find that it has been mentioned in Chapter 33 (Ahzab), verse 33.

" Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity, O people of the [Prophet's] household, and to purify you with [extensive] purification"[8]

This verse was revealed when Muhammad was sitting with his daughter Fatima, her husband Ali, and their sons Hassan and Hussain. The event is known as the event of the cloak, or hadith al Kisa.[9] The word Ahlul-bayt has also been used in the Quran for Sara, the wife of Abraham. Hence, it shows that Ahlul-bayt refers to wives as well. Linguistically, a wife of a person is an integral part of his household i.e. his Ahlul-bayt, but the traditions of the Prophet deny the wives being a part.

Sunni sources that deny wives being a part of the Ahlulbayt (Household) :

1."We went to him (Zaid b. Arqam) and said to him. You have found goodness (for you had the honour) to live in the company of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and offered prayer behind him, and the rest of the hadith is the same but with this variation of wording that lie said: Behold, for I am leaving amongst you two weighty things, one of which is the Book of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, and that is the rope of Allah. He who holds it fast would be on right guidance and he who abandons it would be in error, and in this (hadith) these words are also found: We said: Who are amongst the members of the household? Aren't the wives (of the Holy Prophet) included amongst the members of his house hold? Thereupon he said: No, by Allah, a woman lives with a man (as his wife) for a certain period; he then divorces her and she goes back to her parents and to her people; the members of his household include his ownself and his kith and kin (who are related to him by blood) and for him the acceptance of Zakat is prohibited." [10]

So in above Hadith, Muhammad denied that wives are included in Alhul Bait ( House Hold ) when he was asked " Are not the wives included among the members of the househod ?". And, this hadith is Sahih (authentic), Muslim hadith.


2.Another version of the 'Tradition of Cloak' is written in Sahih al-Tirmidhi, which is narrated in the authority of Umar Ibn Abi Salama, the son of Umm Salama (another wife of Prophet), which is as follows:

The verse "Verily Allah intends to ... (33:33)" was revealed to Muhammad in the house of Umm Salama. Upon that, he gathered Fatimah, al-Hasan, and al-Husain, and covered them with a cloak, and he also covered Ali who was behind him. Then he said: "O' Allah! These are the Members of my House (Ahlul-Bayt). Keep them away from every impurity and purify them with a perfect purification." Umm Salama (his wife) asked: "Am I also included among them O Apostle of Allah?" Muhammad replied: "You remain in your position and you are toward a good ending."[11]

So In this hadith, Muhammad gathered Ali, Fatimah, al- Hasan and al Husain and covered them with a cloak and then he said "O Allah ! These are the members of my House (Ahlul Bayt)". He denied Salama (his wife) to be included among them.

Hadith of Ghadir Khum:

The Hadith


On the way back to Medina from Mecca, Muhammad ordered his companions to stop at Ghadir Khum and delivered the following sermon (in brief)

O people, Allah the Most Kind the Omniscient has told me that no apostle lives to more than half the age of him who had preceded him. I think I am about to be called (to die) and thus I must respond. I am responsible and you are responsible, then what do you say?' They said, 'We witness that you have informed, advised and striven. May Allah bless you.' He said, 'Do you not bear witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is His servant and Apostle, and that His Heaven is true, His Hell is true, death is true, the Resurrection after death is true, that there is no doubt that the Day of Judgment will come, and that Allah will resurrect the dead from their graves?' They said, 'Yes, we bear witness.' He said, 'O Allah, bear witness.' Then he said, 'O people, Allah is my Lord and I am the lord of the believers. I am worthier of believers than themselves. Of whomsoever I had been Master (Mawla), Ali here is to be his Master.[a] O Allah, be a supporter of whoever supports him (Ali) and an enemy of whoever opposes him and divert the Truth to Ali.'
 
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