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Delayed take-off for China's own regional jet
China's homegrown ARJ21 jet has yet to fly any fare-paying passengers after initially scheduling its first commercial flight on Feb 28.
Chengdu Airlines received the aircraft from manufacturer the Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China (COMAC) in November, already years behind schedule, and it made several "demonstration" flights without passengers in January.
It was scheduled to ferry passengers from its home base in southwest China to commercial hub Shanghai on Feb 28, according to media reports, but has yet to do so. Neither the jet's maker nor the airline were willing to say why.
"The Civil Aviation Administration of China is still doing preparation work for the first flight, so maybe it hasn't finished," a COMAC spokesman told AFP, referring to the government regulator. "The airline and CAAC have the final say."
A CAAC spokeswoman referred questions about the issue to the airline. Chengdu Airlines, whose fleet consists of 21 A320 aircraft made by European consortium Airbus and the single ARJ21, declined to give a date. "There is no exact time," a spokesman said.
When the ARJ21 - which stands for Advanced Regional Jet for the 21st century - finally takes to the skies for commercial flights, it will be the culmination of a programme that has so far taken 14 years.
First formally approved by the government in 2002, journalists were shown the body of the plane five years later, when officials confidently predicted deliveries in late 2009. Some Chinese see it as their patriotic duty to fly on the homegrown aircraft.
"Support the domestically made plane! I would take it!" said an online posting. But first COMAC must win over customers and passengers about the ARJ21's quality and reliability. The aircraft still lacks the crucial US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) certification that would allow it to fly in US skies.
Some potential passengers expressed worries. "It's not that I am unpatriotic. To be honest, I don't dare take the plane. It's still Boeing and Airbus (for me)," said an online post by Tang Kanyang, who identified himself as a lawyer.
A COMPETITIVE THREAT?
The plane can seat 78-90 passengers and has a range of 2,225-3,700km. State-owned COMAC has claimed more than 270 orders for the ARJ21, mainly from domestic customers, and has bigger plans too.
In November, it rolled out the C919, China's first domestically developed narrow-body passenger plane, the next step up in size. Officials said at the time that it would make its first test flight this year, though reports say it might also be delayed.
The Shanghai-based company will partner with US aircraft maker Boeing to set up an interior completion centre in China, and aims to produce an even larger wide-body jet in cooperation with Russia's United Aircraft Corp. whose products include the Sukhoi Superjet 100.
The ARJ21 was also a no-show at China's major show for corporate jets in Shanghai last week, though it does have a business version and could potentially compete against some of the foreign brands that were displayed on the Hongqiao Airport runway.
COMAC restricted itself to display miniatures of the ARJ21 at Asia's premier air show in Singapore in February.
"They (Chinese officials) are looking at these market segments thinking: How can we do what Boeing and Airbus have done?" said Jeff Lowe, managing director of aviation services provider Asian Sky Group.
But most manufacturers do not view the COMAC plane as a competitive threat yet, even though the Chinese commercial aircraft market is already Asia's largest and crucial to their plans over the next decades.
"They have a product. We have ours," said Fernando Grau, director of marketing and product strategy for executive jets of Brazil's Embraer in China. The ARJ21 is comparable in seating capacity to Embraer's E170 and E175, parts of a family of aircraft with more than 1,100 deliveries.
Foreign jet makers can offer a far more extensive product line and industry executives said COMAC was seeking to develop what took other manufacturers decades to do.
"Currently, we don't see anything that competes with us in terms of a traditional business jet," said Scott Neal, senior vice president for worldwide sales and marketing for Gulfstream of the United States.
"It's taken us 60 years to gain the position we have and the expertise in designing and building high-technology, high-performance corporate aircraft." Asked whether China could one day field a rival, he said: "Time will tell."
- AFP/rw
China's homegrown ARJ21 jet has yet to fly any fare-paying passengers after initially scheduling its first commercial flight on Feb 28.
- Posted 20 Apr 2016 11:42
Chengdu Airlines received the aircraft from manufacturer the Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China (COMAC) in November, already years behind schedule, and it made several "demonstration" flights without passengers in January.
It was scheduled to ferry passengers from its home base in southwest China to commercial hub Shanghai on Feb 28, according to media reports, but has yet to do so. Neither the jet's maker nor the airline were willing to say why.
"The Civil Aviation Administration of China is still doing preparation work for the first flight, so maybe it hasn't finished," a COMAC spokesman told AFP, referring to the government regulator. "The airline and CAAC have the final say."
A CAAC spokeswoman referred questions about the issue to the airline. Chengdu Airlines, whose fleet consists of 21 A320 aircraft made by European consortium Airbus and the single ARJ21, declined to give a date. "There is no exact time," a spokesman said.
When the ARJ21 - which stands for Advanced Regional Jet for the 21st century - finally takes to the skies for commercial flights, it will be the culmination of a programme that has so far taken 14 years.
First formally approved by the government in 2002, journalists were shown the body of the plane five years later, when officials confidently predicted deliveries in late 2009. Some Chinese see it as their patriotic duty to fly on the homegrown aircraft.
"Support the domestically made plane! I would take it!" said an online posting. But first COMAC must win over customers and passengers about the ARJ21's quality and reliability. The aircraft still lacks the crucial US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) certification that would allow it to fly in US skies.
Some potential passengers expressed worries. "It's not that I am unpatriotic. To be honest, I don't dare take the plane. It's still Boeing and Airbus (for me)," said an online post by Tang Kanyang, who identified himself as a lawyer.
A COMPETITIVE THREAT?
The plane can seat 78-90 passengers and has a range of 2,225-3,700km. State-owned COMAC has claimed more than 270 orders for the ARJ21, mainly from domestic customers, and has bigger plans too.
In November, it rolled out the C919, China's first domestically developed narrow-body passenger plane, the next step up in size. Officials said at the time that it would make its first test flight this year, though reports say it might also be delayed.
The Shanghai-based company will partner with US aircraft maker Boeing to set up an interior completion centre in China, and aims to produce an even larger wide-body jet in cooperation with Russia's United Aircraft Corp. whose products include the Sukhoi Superjet 100.
The ARJ21 was also a no-show at China's major show for corporate jets in Shanghai last week, though it does have a business version and could potentially compete against some of the foreign brands that were displayed on the Hongqiao Airport runway.
COMAC restricted itself to display miniatures of the ARJ21 at Asia's premier air show in Singapore in February.
"They (Chinese officials) are looking at these market segments thinking: How can we do what Boeing and Airbus have done?" said Jeff Lowe, managing director of aviation services provider Asian Sky Group.
But most manufacturers do not view the COMAC plane as a competitive threat yet, even though the Chinese commercial aircraft market is already Asia's largest and crucial to their plans over the next decades.
"They have a product. We have ours," said Fernando Grau, director of marketing and product strategy for executive jets of Brazil's Embraer in China. The ARJ21 is comparable in seating capacity to Embraer's E170 and E175, parts of a family of aircraft with more than 1,100 deliveries.
Foreign jet makers can offer a far more extensive product line and industry executives said COMAC was seeking to develop what took other manufacturers decades to do.
"Currently, we don't see anything that competes with us in terms of a traditional business jet," said Scott Neal, senior vice president for worldwide sales and marketing for Gulfstream of the United States.
"It's taken us 60 years to gain the position we have and the expertise in designing and building high-technology, high-performance corporate aircraft." Asked whether China could one day field a rival, he said: "Time will tell."
- AFP/rw
When did social media estimation become the official stance? Another good for nothing article from the west. The official never give any firm date for the inauguration of the flight.
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So can we know in estimation, when Chengdu Airline would sell air tickets to passengers to on board this Made in China ARJ-21 ?
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China's ARJ21 gets largest single commercial order, leases to Indonesia
(CRI Online) 07:39, July 13, 2016
Undated photo shows an ARJ21 aircraft taking off.
A domestic regional aircraft ARJ21 has received its largest single commercial order at the 50th Farnborough International Air Show in the UK.
The Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, Ltd. (COMAC) got the order of 90 ARJ21 aircrafts on Monday.
A tripartite cooperative agreement was signed by COMAC, China Aircraft Leasing Group (CALC) and Friedmann Pacific Asset Management Limited (FPAM).
CALC will purchase 60 ARJ21-700 series aircrafts from COMAC, and will act as an aircraft lessor to provide leasing solutions to an Indonesian-based airline company, which is subordinate to FPAM, in building its ARJ-21 fleet, according to the agreement.
At the same time, Avic Leasing Company will also purchase 30 ARJ21 aircrafts from COMAC.
This is the largest order of ARJ21 aircrafts for COMAC since its commercial operations on June 28 this year.
COMAC General Manager He Dongfeng said the company is now actively exploring the market both at home and abroad.
While Executive Vice President of CALC Liu Wanting also said they will work together with FPAM for ARJ21's entering into international market.
Till now, the number of ARJ21's client companies has been up to 18 and the total orders of ARJ21 have reached 308.
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Indeed, luck, technology and competitive bargaining all have their own space in business negotiations.
Giving it a try would not do harm. Good for all parties.
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Do these plane already certified in indonesia!!??
If not, good luck trying to leased it here, btw indonesian passenger still had bad image abaut chinese made aircraft, i wonder which airline will operate chinese made airplane, a suicidal decision for the airline!!
If not, good luck trying to leased it here, btw indonesian passenger still had bad image abaut chinese made aircraft, i wonder which airline will operate chinese made airplane, a suicidal decision for the airline!!
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They will get used to it over time. It does not need all Indonesians' favor to start from somewhere. It is not easy to break perceptions especially with so much negative publicity. But, like in high-speed rail, incremental change is the best for long-term impression. After all, Rome was not built in a day.
By the way, I also wonder about the leasing company.
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Definitely. That's quite a difference from Indian quality.
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Edit: Looks like more orders are coming to the way of India.
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90 Chinese ARJ-21 jets ordered at UK air show
Shanghai Daily, July 13, 2016
The first Chinese-made regional passenger jet, the ARJ21-700, has received 90 new orders at Britain's Farnborough International Airshow, the Commercial Aircraft Corp of China (COMAC) said on Tuesday.
China Aircraft Leasing Ltd has signed to acquire 60 ARJ21 aircraft for around US$2.3 billion. This is the largest order of the aircraft since its commercial operations on June 28. One of the leasing firm’s investors, Friedmann Pacific Asset, will invest in an Indonesian-based airline and help build up its ARJ21 fleet.
Meanwhile, the Aviation Industry Corp of China Leasing Co, or AVIC Leasing, signed a purchase agreement for 30 ARJ21 aircraft with COMAC at the air show, which ends on Sunday.
The 90-seat regional jet has received around 400 orders.
COMAC is attending the air show for the fourth time to present the development progress of the ARJ21 and the Chinese-made single-aisle C919, the planemaker said yesterday.
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