COAS(Pakistan) reaches Saudi Arabia to revive strained ties

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I think things aren't as off-track as some are trying to make them.

In my view, what was said by the FM was a very calibrated view after careful deliberations to get the Saudis to move. It was said not to insult but rather to reflect the mood on the Pakistani street. The message being that Pakistan is willing to play the ball but KSA also needs to do its part in mobilizing support for Kashmir.

OIC on the whole is a pretty ineffective org., as such the sole benefit for Pakistan via OIC is to get publicity and a stance which keeps India on notice with regards to Kashmir. So what Pakistan is asking for is not a mountain to be delivered by the Saudis.

I also believe that if the Saudis don't do what Pakistan is nudging them to do, it is the Saudis that stand to lose their reputation as being one of the leading voices in the global Muslim affairs. In other words, Pakistan is simply bringing the issue to the Saudi attention and suggesting "this one is yours to lose. If you cannot help us, we will go to other non-aligned entities." This does not mean that Pakistan will break ties with the KSA, nor does it mean that KSA becomes inconsequential. It will mean on the Kashmir issue, Pakistan will look for other allies.

I think the UN opting against extending arms sanctions on Iran may also have an impact. Basically, Pakistan may now have a lower-cost energy source (by virtue of being right next to Iran) moving forward. Energy basically eats most of our foreign/hard currency, so even a 40-50% savings on that front would be very significant economically.

It also lessens KSA and UAE's leverage in Pakistan.

However, there's another aspect which may be a little contentious: exporting arms to Iran. If Iran opts for the JF-17 from AVIC, then PAC will manufacture and export a % of the order. This may also spell the entry of PAF contractors to help the Iranians induct, operationalize, and deploy the fighter for a few years.

 

[GumNaam]

I think the UN opting against extending arms sanctions on Iran may also have an impact. Basically, Pakistan may now have a lower-cost energy source (by virtue of being right next to Iran) moving forward. Energy basically eats most of our foreign/hard currency, so even a 40-50% savings on that front would be very significant economically.

It also lessens KSA and UAE's leverage in Pakistan.

However, there's another aspect which may be a little contentious: exporting arms to Iran. If Iran opts for the JF-17 from AVIC, then PAC will manufacture and export a % of the order. This may also spell the entry of PAF contractors to help the Iranians induct, operationalize, and deploy the fighter for a few years.

Agreed. ksA has a lot to worry, nay, PANIC about. no more sanctions on iran which means that iran export oil AND buy arms. China is more than capable or arming iran to the teeth including pushing the JF17 to them while also making iran ship cheap oil and gas to Pakistan and through Pakistan, to China. Let's not forget, the iranian side of the gas and oil pipeline is ALREADY complete. Pakistan just needs to connect to it. if Pakistan simply pulls out all of its military forces out of saudi arabia and gives even the slight indication that it is willing to help iran develop its conventional military, the saudis will have instant diarrheal cramps and the runs. cuz we ALL know against whom the iranians will concentrate their conventional military against...as far as the iranians are concerned, destroying the saudi oil production will easily cut the isreali military mobility down to half since, let's face it, the saudis have been quietly supplying them oil in disguise of shipping oil to the u.s.

 

[tkmd]

There is no way on earth SMQ said what he did without guidance and approval from PMO and GHQ. He wants to be the next PM. Even if we think he’s out of step or spoke out of turn he wouldn’t do it bc he wants to be PM and who would say this about ur biggest financial benefactor after China without tacit approval and guidance from ur superiors?

As others have said it is becoming clear that Pakistan and KSAs interests are diverging. We face an existential threat from India. Having GCC countries emptying their pockets for India and whatever else they’re doing is not going to be tolerable. At the same time China is acutely aware of the budding bipartisan love affair the US has with the mallus. After this covid pandemic the west needs someone to blame and China is a natural target since they’re already an economic and military competitor. As such it seems states like China and Turkey will be far more beneficial allies diplomatically, militarily and economically than the failing states of the GCC.

I doubt anything serious happens which If true means Bajwa told those fat pigs to shut up.

 

[The Eagle]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1295454166349942788

 

[Hiraa]

So what is the outcome of this?

also younger brother met COAS not mbs or king.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1295454166349942788

 

[WarKa DaNG]

So COAS is now Foreign Minister?

 

[The Eagle]

So what is the outcome of this?

also younger brother met COAS not mbs or king.

These meetings were already planned and not necessary to meet everyone. May be COAS was not yet meant to meet MBS or King but we shouldn't assume wrongly.

 

[Imran Khan]

I think the UN opting against extending arms sanctions on Iran may also have an impact. Basically, Pakistan may now have a lower-cost energy source (by virtue of being right next to Iran) moving forward. Energy basically eats most of our foreign/hard currency, so even a 40-50% savings on that front would be very significant economically.

It also lessens KSA and UAE's leverage in Pakistan.

However, there's another aspect which may be a little contentious: exporting arms to Iran. If Iran opts for the JF-17 from AVIC, then PAC will manufacture and export a % of the order. This may also spell the entry of PAF contractors to help the Iranians induct, operationalize, and deploy the fighter for a few years.

pakistan already reduced 17bn$ deficet sir . even we were importing toilet papers worth 11mn$ damn

 

[The Eagle]

So COAS is now Foreign Minister?

Political bickering may kindly be kept out of here.

 

[Imran Khan]

These meetings were already planned and not necessary to meet everyone. May be COAS was not yet meant to meet MBS or King but we shouldn't assume wrongly.

no sir i disagree with you its diplomatic massage and i think we are done with arabs now

 

[The Eagle]

no sir i disagree with you its diplomatic massage and i think we are done with arabs now

There's a surprise coming your way, very soon. Such kind of "Done" is only part of internet world and nation's diplomacy doesn't work like that. To catch the drift, you need to understand that why COAS & Spy Master visited KSA. I have been advocating always that when you are looking at geopolitics, never limit your options & observations or even getting yourself boxed. That's a field that no one every conquered ever... I mean, it is always less no matter how much one paddles through. We are about to get it but by the time and not very soon. . . . wait for it. Pakistan KSA relations aren't that weak nor worst and current visit is a success... all I can say at the moment.

side note: The mole & instigator is caught for all the disinfo, misunderstandings & mislead so also, expect further civil visit very soon.

 

[Village life]

Good by Saudi led Arabs , time to place order in our own house first , the others will follow us if once we get rid of these looters and dubious agents in our house first , please make organic manure of these traitors I want to use that in my farm land,

 

[The Eagle]

I think the UN opting against extending arms sanctions on Iran may also have an impact. Basically, Pakistan may now have a lower-cost energy source (by virtue of being right next to Iran) moving forward. Energy basically eats most of our foreign/hard currency, so even a 40-50% savings on that front would be very significant economically.

It also lessens KSA and UAE's leverage in Pakistan.

However, there's another aspect which may be a little contentious: exporting arms to Iran. If Iran opts for the JF-17 from AVIC, then PAC will manufacture and export a % of the order. This may also spell the entry of PAF contractors to help the Iranians induct, operationalize, and deploy the fighter for a few years.

I find that Iran chapter is secondary for the facts that why KSA invited Pakistan. Interestingly, they expected PM along with COAS and this invitation wasn't due to SMQ statement alone. There's a lot cooking in Arab world and MBS eyes the throne. On other hand, UAE is already gone into close friendship with Israel and I don't see that UAE would do so without the knowledge & consent of KSA. US has lot of influence within Royal Palace of KSA and it's been weeks to see Shah Salman on screen at all. May be the current visit was more about to take Pakistan into confidence for what's coming next. The reason as such is that, why Saudi Ambassador has to meet certain leadership in Pakistan beside meeting COAS before visit. He met with CM & Governor Punjab and especially Mulana Tahir Ashrafi who visited the KSA prior to COAS visit.

Since UAE is gone into US camp fully by recognizing Israel, we might see that MBS will be aligning on the same pattern given his relations with White House and so the wish to take on the throne. May be, Tahir Ashrafi visit was suppose to take Ulema into confidence if KSA gets close to Israel, that I see not other option for MBS to reach throne and then MBS needs strong vote in Shura Council that selects/elects the next king with mutual discussions. I see that MBS has a lot of opposition especially his cousins etc so might want to gather more of support by the people that can talk to Royal Shura Council initially. Why KSA would like to take Pakistan into confidence before Israeli relations announcement? Well, Pakistan public and Muslims from all around the world respects KSA due to Holy Places and KSA going Israeli road will definitely force many to react in anger. Nobody can control public sentiments and apparently, seems like Pakistan has already conveyed the message while MBS found himself in a tight fix of situation at the moment. I say that because one has to connect the dots and keep an eye over the pattern building. Why Israeli Intelligence/officials have to issue statements that Bahrain etc will all adopt the same path like UAE very soon? In-fact, either they are manipulating or there is fire as well. One thing is sure that MBS can't move without US while they have enough presence/influence in Royal Palace. I wouldn't even doubt the repetition of assassination if push come to shove for Mossad/CIA.

Pakistan relations with Iran or Turkey or any other nation, aren't new for KSA and on the same lines; our relations with KSA aren't that weak as such that a personal statement like SMQ could harm them at all.

 

[TacOps]

Abnormal remittance from KSA clears the exact situation
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Abnormality in my view is because of my expats in the Gulf losing jobs and relocating back along with their savings. Normalised situation will be evident from Q4

 

[Microsoft]

I find that Iran chapter is secondary for the facts that why KSA invited Pakistan. Interestingly, they expected PM along with COAS and this invitation wasn't due to SMQ statement alone. There's a lot cooking in Arab world and MBS eyes the throne. On other hand, UAE is already gone into close friendship with Israel and I don't see that UAE would do so without the knowledge & consent of KSA. US has lot of influence within Royal Palace of KSA and it's been weeks to see Shah Salman on screen at all. May be the current visit was more about to take Pakistan into confidence for what's coming next. The reason as such is that, why Saudi Ambassador has to meet certain leadership in Pakistan beside meeting COAS before visit. He met with CM & Governor Punjab and especially Mulana Tahir Ashrafi who visited the KSA prior to COAS visit.

Since UAE is gone into US camp fully by recognizing Israel, we might see that MBS will be aligning on the same pattern given his relations with White House and so the wish to take on the throne. May be, Tahir Ashrafi visit was suppose to take Ulema into confidence if KSA gets close to Israel, that I see not other option for MBS to reach throne and then MBS needs strong vote in Shura Council that selects/elects the next king with mutual discussions. I see that MBS has a lot of opposition especially his cousins etc so might want to gather more of support by the people that can talk to Royal Shura Council initially. Why KSA would like to take Pakistan into confidence before Israeli relations announcement? Well, Pakistan public and Muslims from all around the world respects KSA due to Holy Places and KSA going Israeli road will definitely force many to react in anger. Nobody can control public sentiments and apparently, seems like Pakistan has already conveyed the message while MBS found himself in a tight fix of situation at the moment. I say that because one has to connect the dots and keep an eye over the pattern building. Why Israeli Intelligence/officials have to issue statements that Bahrain etc will all adopt the same path like UAE very soon? In-fact, either they are manipulating or there is fire as well. One thing is sure that MBS can't move without US while they have enough presence/influence in Royal Palace. I wouldn't even doubt the repetition of assassination if push come to shove for Mossad/CIA.

Pakistan relations with Iran or Turkey or any other nation, aren't new for KSA and on the same lines; our relations with KSA aren't that weak as such that a personal statement like SMQ could harm them at all.

So this visit is for the benefit of KSA is what you're saying?