Coalition to kick America out of this region

[Awesome]

See what I'm saying is, at least fight it. Start the fight, otherwise the little that we have our future generations won't even have as much.

The military heads, GHQ, have been moving against Pakistani interests, supporting terrorists and western nations both - and at the expense of Pakistani interests.

People are fighting in Pakistan, you should just have the ability to find and recognize them. CEC allowed Overseas Pakistanis to vote - this is big. Vote in the right, non-corrupt people. Somebody who can reign in on the military and put Pakistani interests on top. Support freedom, democracy, peace and non-violence wherever and whenever you can and speak up against these things whenever and wherever you can. You will find that the US speaks and supports all the wrong things.

In Pakistan it supports military and Zardari. In Afghanistan it supports the TTP and by most counts it is offering office space to the Taliban in Qatar. Do you see the mess? It doesn't make sense. Net result of all American actions in Pakistan and Afghanistan are bad for us. It only makes sense to kick America out, so do that.

How? People power. The nation needs to stand up. We don't need coups, we need revolutions.

 

[asad71]

1. Nothing would be more wonderful for these three nations and the Muslims at large. However, Karzai is a stooge; the trur Afghan leader is Mullah Omar. The less said about Zardari the better - unless the military is calling the shots here and keeping him isolated from the Yankees. Iran has issues with Turkey - now pushed to the surface by the Syrian disturbances. Although the Bhuttos and Zaradri are Shia, most of Pakistanis and Afghans are Sunni. The current leadership in Iran has strayed from the path of accommodation and reconciliation between the Shia's and Sunnis preached by the great Ayatullah Ruhullah Khomeini.

2. Iskandar Mirza was the first Pak leader who had tried sincerely to reconcile / compromise with the Afghans. Ayub had also thought on that line. Suhrowardy had the foresight to ally with the non-Arabs rather than the Arabs whom he termed as 0 + o = o.

3. There are too many issues that make any cooperation fragile. However, if Pakistan can produce a patriotic visionary leader then the Muslims of West Asia from the Bosporus to the Indus valley can unite as a powerful bloc.

 

[53fd]

See what I'm saying is, at least fight it. Start the fight, otherwise the little that we have our future generations won't even have as much.

The military heads, GHQ, have been moving against Pakistani interests, supporting terrorists and western nations both - and at the expense of Pakistani interests.

People are fighting in Pakistan, you should just have the ability to find and recognize them. CEC allowed Overseas Pakistanis to vote - this is big. Vote in the right, non-corrupt people. Somebody who can reign in on the military and put Pakistani interests on top. Support freedom, democracy, peace and non-violence wherever and whenever you can and speak up against these things whenever and wherever you can. You will find that the US speaks and supports all the wrong things.

In Pakistan it supports military and Zardari. In Afghanistan it supports the TTP and by most counts it is offering office space to the Taliban in Qatar. Do you see the mess? It doesn't make sense. Net result of all American actions in Pakistan and Afghanistan are bad for us. It only makes sense to kick America out, so do that.

How? People power. The nation needs to stand up. We don't need coups, we need revolutions.

It's surprising that you think it supports GHQ, considering the fact that it is the fiercest critic of the Pakistan Army & the ISI, & trying to empower the civilian regime as a counterweight to the military, to weaken it. Anyways, I don't think an Imran Khan dharna style can bring any change at all. In Pakistan, it's almost become fashionable to protest on the streets. What did the lawyer's movement bring for Pakistan? It brought us onto the lap of the Zardari regime, the judiciary is poor at convicting terrorists in the courts, & more & more proven terrorists are being released by the courts because of "lack of evidence". I am very happy that we have an independent judiciary, I am happy that both the civilian & military regime are accountable to it, but it must do better to protect Pakistan's national interests, especially when it comes to the conviction of known terrorists.

Pakistan's problems will not be resolved with America leaving the region (although it would help greatly). There needs to be a change in Pakistani mindset, not through a revolution on the streets, but inside the hearts & minds of every Pakistani to put this country before EVERYTHING ELSE. There needs to be self-reflection in the heart & mind of every Pakistani citizen.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Frankly, if Pakistan worries about its economy even a tiny bit, it should advise its companies to stay away from Iran unless they are dependent on Iranian crude like Indian petro industry is.

 

[Harry Potter]

The most foolish thing a country can do is taking on the US openly.
If US of A angry it can bring any country to it's knees.

 

[livingdead]

I would say south asia has the least US influence. We dont have any US military stationed here, or any US base.
Compare that to east asia or middle east.

But each country in south asia has used US influence for its own benefit. We cry US influence only when it goes against us.

Pakistan is the biggest beneficiary of US influence in south asia.

 

[Fireurimagination]

The thing is it's we that have given US the handle to enter our region, 9/11 gave them the perfect opportunity and we welcomed them with open arms for our own short-term narrow goals and to use US influence and might against each other

 

[Awesome]

It's surprising that you think it supports GHQ, considering the fact that it is the fiercest critic of the Pakistan Army & the ISI, & trying to empower the civilian regime as a counterweight to the military, to weaken it.

Why would it? Is the military shooting at the US constantly attacking Pakistan? Did it stop the air bridge for Nato? Did any supplies truly get blocked? All the news about diapers and popeyes chicken were all hoaxes thrown in the market to fool you and me as if something was happening.

Fine they criticize them about the support to the Afghan Taliban but they give military aid and equipment to them as well. The military if it truly were a Pakistan military it won't allow foreign powers to attack Pakistan.

Anyways, I don't think an Imran Khan dharna style can bring any change at all. In Pakistan, it's almost become fashionable to protest on the streets. What did the lawyer's movement bring for Pakistan? It brought us onto the lap of the Zardari regime, the judiciary is poor at convicting terrorists in the courts, & more & more proven terrorists are being released by the courts because of a "lack of evidence".

This is due process. If they are proven then why didn't they get proven as terrorists in courts? Why did ISI assassinate the people the courts released? They were brutally beaten when the CJ met them in court, obviously they were going to sing against them and proof of their screw up was in front of all - they killed them to silence them. The lawyer was on 'Lekin' (tv program) and he said that the agencies just arrest anyone who has a seemingly religious outlook - they are after all very incompetent people they didn't know about Osama Bin Laden in their backyard for gods sakes. So they shift the risk on to us. They arrest the people just in case they might be terrorists.

I am very happy that we have an independent judiciary, I am happy that both the civilian & military regime are accountable to it, but it must do better to protect Pakistan's national interests, especially when it comes to the conviction of known terrorists.

Says who? Judiciary's role is not to protect our national interests, its to interpret the laws and pass judgment. ISI must do a better job at arresting and documenting evidence in a lawful manner. Their open buffet must end. Moreover come on. They arrested Raymond Davis as well. Who organized his release? They did. In 2 months why didn't they file the case of espionage against him? Who arranged for the blood money to be paid to their families? Who took them to Saudi Arabi for Umra, who got Raymond Davis within hours in black SUVs right from the jail? ISI did. They betrayed Pakistan by letting a known enemy of Pakistan go free after the court had declared his immunity void.

Pakistan's problems will not be resolved with America leaving the region (although it would help greatly). There needs to be a change in Pakistani mindset, not through a revolution on the streets, but inside the hearts & minds of every Pakistani to put this country before EVERYTHING ELSE. There needs to be self-reflection in the heart & mind of every Pakistani citizen.

Of course they do but I think both GHQ and Presidency are not the ones we must follow. The change lies within making these two institutions bow to the will of the people who want to put Pakistan before everything else. GHQ is more interested in enjoying their golf and afternoon tea at the clubs than serve this nation which is under constant attack.

We must first address the root of all problems - the US meddling - its roots - the root of all evil in Pakistan - GHQ and Presidency.

 

[livingdead]

Asim Aqil, if pakistan's relation with china goes sour say in next 10 years(hypothetically speaking), will not another guy like you be talking about evil influence of china, and how all south asians should throw china out of south asia?

You are ignoring the elephant in the room (India), and till it remains of this size and influence, smaller countries will need other bigger countries to balance it.

This is quite normal.

 

[Awesome]

Asim Aqil, if pakistan's relation with china goes sour say in next 10 years(hypothetically speaking), will not another guy like you be talking about evil influence of china, and how all south asians should throw china out of south asia?

You are ignoring the elephant in the room (India), and till it remains of this size and influence, smaller countries will need other bigger countries to balance it.

This is quite normal.

I had no issues with the Americans being allies - till they bombed, spied, bribed and changed foreign policy. They are as a people - as civilians fantastic.

India won't remain unaffected by all of this - it is being forced to leave Iran for more expensive options, and alone ultimately it will give up on Iran. But if 5 or 10 nations all defy the US on this it will not be possible to push India away either.

One nation alone cannot beat America, agreed. But if all nations concentrated their efforts to just kick America out, not harm them or beat them in any other way, just make them leave, it may just be possible.

 

[53fd]

Why would it? Is the military shooting at the US constantly attacking Pakistan? Did it stop the air bridge for Nato? Did any supplies truly get blocked? All the news about diapers and popeyes chicken were all hoaxes thrown in the market to fool you and me as if something was happening.

The military is the one that has given the US the maximum resistance out of all the concerned authorities, although they definitely need to have "thicker skin".

Fine they criticize them about the support to the Afghan Taliban but they give military aid and equipment to them as well.

The last time I remember, it was the military aid that was suspended, while the civilian aid was flowing as it is.

The military if it truly were a Pakistan military it won't allow foreign powers to attack Pakistan.

But Pakistan did ask them to evacuate from all the bases in Pakistan, clamped down on the CIA network in Pakistan, closed the supply routes. When the drones are flying out of bases in Afghanistan, there is little Pakistan can do but shoot down the drones. Like it or not, North Waziristan is definitely full of international & local militants, & shooting them down means choosing to side with the militants (in the eyes of the world) over the international community. However, drone strikes are definitely a gross violation of Pakistan's national sovereignty, & a major irritant for Pakistan, as they have not reduced the capacity of militants to attack in either Afghanistan or Pakistan; so I would think there should be some other way to make the US stop its drone program inside Pakistan.

This is due process. If they are proven then why didn't they get proven as terrorists in courts?

Because our courts have an extremely poor record of convicting/prosecuting known terrorists.

Osama bin Laden's bodyguard freed by Pakistan - Telegraph

Says who? Judiciary's role is not to protect our national interests, its to interpret the laws and pass judgment.

The role of the courts is to convict & prosecute known terrorists that are a threat to Pakistan's security. The courts have an extremely poor track record of convicting terrorists, & many known terrorists that were caught have been released by the courts. I favor the accountability of the civilian & the military authorities under the Supreme Court, the highest legal authority in Pakistan; but they need to do their job better.

ISI must do a better job at arresting and documenting evidence in a lawful manner.

The ISI does its job just like every other intelligence agency does, why are you surprised?

Their open buffet must end. Moreover come on. They arrested Raymond Davis as well. Who organized his release? They did.

Actually, it was the family of the dead that put their signatures on paper, & accepted the blood money.

In 2 months why didn't they file the case of espionage against him? Who arranged for the blood money to be paid to their families? Who took them to Saudi Arabi for Umra, who got Raymond Davis within hours in black SUVs right from the jail? ISI did. They betrayed Pakistan by letting a known enemy of Pakistan go free after the court had declared his immunity void.

At least they had some skin, unlike the civilian regime that forced the FM to resign, & were ready to let him go right away.

The change lies within making these two institutions bow to the will of the people who want to put Pakistan before everything else.

Who are these magical people who want to put Pakistan before everything else?

We must first address the root of all problems - the US meddling - its roots - the root of all evil in Pakistan - GHQ and Presidency.

Yes, the US meddling (& our collusion with them) is the reason why we are where we are. No point revisiting history. But if you think US leaving the region , Imran Khan coming into power will make a significant difference, you need to think this through.

 

[Omar1984]

The most foolish thing a country can do is taking on the US openly.
If US of A angry it can bring any country to it's knees.

U.S. doesn't go to war against countries with a strong army or a nuclear power. Look at North Korea, a country that was once part of Bush's "axis of evil" and then it became a nuclear power and U.S. stepped back.

If you look at U.S. track history, they've attacked only poor weak countries in the past 40 years:

Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again, and Libya. I don't think they will even go to war against Iran. They might go to war against Syria.

And the only reason why U.S. is attacking Pakistani territory with drone strikes is because the sell-outs leading Pakistan have allowed it confirmed by Wiki leaks. How long can the U.S. keep doing what its doing? Already its trillions in debt and printing trillions.

 

[Varunastra]

Pakistan,china,iran,russia,India,china vs NATO!!!..............who will win??

 

[Jango]

Well Asim, who has Dr. Afridi in custody right now?

ISI ,no?

 

[53fd]

Well Asim, who has Dr. Afridi in custody right now?

ISI ,no?

No, but don't you know that the poor guy is innocent, like all the other "innocent" people captured by our security agencies/LEA only to be released by the courts?

http://tribune.com.pk/story/243274/...-of-every-4-terror-suspects-go-us-state-dept/

http://tribune.com.pk/story/231578/...y-suspect-acquitted-after-12-days-in-custody/