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Well, just yesterday, along with the bill for Balochistan, a bill was put forward in the US congress that Afridi be given US citizenship and also the Congressional medal.

Yeah. The problem with some people here, with their blind hatred of the military institutions is that it is the only institution that has the "thickest skin", & more of the country's national interests at heart than any other institution. The other civilian institutions of Pakistan would sell Pakistan off with the blink of an eye. I also do not like known criminals & militants caught by our LEAs walking down on the street after being acquitted from the courts.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/231578/...y-suspect-acquitted-after-12-days-in-custody/

Imran Khan might be marginally better than some of the other leaders we've had, but will not be too different from them either.
 
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Afghanistan - Check

Iraq - Check

Libya - Check

Next on the list is Iran, Syria, and Pakistan. I believe Pakistan and Iran will resist the U.S. the most, and will make America's job very difficult.

They might be able to get Syria if they tried hard enough but not Pakistan and Iran. The best option would be for Iran and Pakistan make a NATO like organization and put a united front when it comes to defense against these colonial regimes. Some other independent Muslim countries can also join up later if they can prove their independence from American slavery as we would not want a mole amongst us.
 
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They might be able to get Syria if they tried hard enough but not Pakistan and Iran. The best option would be for Iran and Pakistan make a NATO like organization and put a united front when it comes to defense against these colonial regimes. Some other independent Muslim countries can also join up later if they can prove their independence from American slavery as we would not want a mole amongst us.

Arab leaders are America's slaves and will not join.

Best option is for Iran and Pakistan to join SCO and help that organization become strong. China, Russia, Iran, and Pakistan should be united and work together.
 
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Talking about the regional level of cooperation, the foreign minister said the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) was an exceptionally important forum in the region to face and counter regional challenges. She said Pakistan was actively participating in the deliberations of SCO and seeking permanent membership and thanked the Russian Federation extending its support on this issue.

Pakistan, Russia to boost trade, energy ties





The Prime Minister said that on the fringes of the recent summit of SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization) in Russia, he had separate meetings with Premier Wen Jiabao and the then Russian President and now Prime Minister Validimir Putin and discussed with them the economic cooperation.

For economic cooperation, the Prime Minister said that the SCO is very important forum.

Prime Minister Gilani further said that he also discussed with these leaders Pakistan’s keen desire to become permanent member of the SCO, the august body for which both leaders have agreed.

Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - Pakistan wants good neighbourly relations with all including India: PM Gilani
 
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Arab leaders are America's slaves and will not join.

Best option is for Iran and Pakistan to join SCO and help that organization become strong. China, Russia, Iran, and Pakistan should be united and work together.

Not all Arabs are slaves, there are some Arabs which are still independent and depending on how things turn up in Egypt then even they can join up. But for now, Pakistan and Iran are fine, later on if Bangladesh, Indonesia and others want to join up then it is ok, the more the better and every one contributing according to their military capabilities and GDP.

Unfortunately SCO is just an economic forum without any military aspect. They even denied Iran the membership because of the stupid reason that there are sanctions against Iran. Pakistan would be no different if ever comes to that. Though China and Russia are powerful but they are not Muslim countries and we need to have a Muslim NATO, as recent wars of colonialism has shown. Russia and China at times cut deals with west and might leave anyone of us, muslims, out in cold. An Islamic NATO with independent Muslim countries as members would be formidable and no body would even dare to look at it. Russia or China on the other hand if joined up in a such an organization will dominate it because of their power and size and the countries like Iran and Pakistan will get side lined.
 
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First of all, I don't agree with the criticism of the judiciary. The judiciary must follow the law and, if that means releasing criminals due to lack of evidence, then so be it, unfortunately. The fault here is not with the judiciary, but with law enforcement agencies for not collecting proper evidence. We do NOT want a situation where the judiciary locks up innocent people because of mass hysteria.

Coming to the security establishments, I see them as the lesser of two evils at this point. Surely there is some level of corruption, but the mere fact that the West is going ballistic over them is the best indication that they are protecting Pakistan's interests. It goes without saying that Pakistan is in no position to take on the US: militarily, diplomatically, economically -- on any ONE of these fronts, the US can destroy Pakistan without breaking a sweat. I believe the ISI/army are walking a very fine line to keep the Americans at bay without openly confronting them. Their restraint despite so many deliberate American provocations means that the Americans are spoiling for a fight and ISI/army knows they mustn't give America an opening to unleash its firepower on Pakistan. So far the fight is being fought through Taliban/TTP/BLA proxies.
 
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Surely there is some level of corruption, but the mere fact that the West is going ballistic over them is the best indication that they are protecting Pakistan's interests.

See what the ISI did:

1. CJP chaired a case where he asked ISI to present the arrested people who were a few among Pakistan's missing persons.
2. People were presented, all legs broken, in shock, and terrified.
3. CJP asked where is the proof against them, ISI had thainga.
4. CJP said release them, ISI did.
5. Next day they were arrested.
6. Soon after we got the news they are all dead.

Yeh zalalat nahi toh aur kya hai? They were all religious people, some drove ambulances, some sold books... This type of profiling is done by who else? The US. Safe bet to assume they did this to keep the US happy.
 
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U.S. doesn't go to war against countries with a strong army or a nuclear power. Look at North Korea, a country that was once part of Bush's "axis of evil" and then it became a nuclear power and U.S. stepped back..

North Korea is a nuclear power? Can you point to a successful test of a nuclear weapon by them?

Do you really think that nukes are the answer? "Get some nukes, and the bad old USA won't attack."

If you look at U.S. track history, they've attacked only poor weak countries in the past 40 years:

Why stop at 40 years? Why not go back 60 years when we "attacked" (actually responded to attacks) from Japan and Germany, North Korea and China? While you're at it, look at the root causes of ALL of those conflicts. You'll educate yourself.
 
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The most foolish thing a country can do is taking on the US openly.
If US of A angry it can bring any country to it's knees.

Afghans, Cubans, Iranians and N Koreans have proven otherwise. The true strength of a nation must emanate from the inside. Then US of Angry or anyone can mess with it.
 
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See what the ISI did:

1. CJP chaired a case where he asked ISI to present the arrested people who were a few among Pakistan's missing persons.
2. People were presented, all legs broken, in shock, and terrified.
3. CJP asked where is the proof against them, ISI had thainga.
4. CJP said release them, ISI did.
5. Next day they were arrested.
6. Soon after we got the news they are all dead.

Absolutely. I am not excusing the abuses of power by anyone, least of all the security establishment. This is a symptom of the bigger problem, which has been with Pakistan since inception. The complete breakdown of law and order. Religious leaders openly call for assassination of 'heretics' and 'blasphemers'. The President scoffs at the Supreme Court. The ISI does those tricks you highlighted. The whole country is becoming like FATA, where anyone with money and influence can write their own laws.

That is why the main priority -- before extremism, education or economy -- needs to be a full focus on law enforcement. Nobody is going to care if the schools are open, no foreigner is going to invest in Pakistan, if there is no faith in the law enforcement system.

Safe bet to assume they did this to keep the US happy.

I don't know about that. The ISI is quite capable of settling local scores without needing foreign prodding.
 
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Absolutely. I am not excusing the abuses of power by anyone, least of all the security establishment. This is a symptom of the bigger problem, which has been with Pakistan since inception. The complete breakdown of law and order. Religious leaders openly call for assassination of 'heretics' and 'blasphemers'. The President scoffs at the Supreme Court. The ISI does those tricks you highlighted. The whole country is becoming like FATA, where anyone with money and influence can write their own laws.

That is why the main priority -- before extremism, education or economy -- needs to be a full focus on law enforcement. Nobody is going to care if the schools are open, no foreigner is going to invest in Pakistan, if there is no faith in the law enforcement system.



I don't know about that. The ISI is quite capable of settling local scores without needing foreign prodding.

The predicament of Pakistan is that no one knows the truth. Was it ISI, IB or was it a Contractor or another foreign Intel out to malign ISI? Thanks to Mush, no agency, organization or aspect of Pakistani life or governance seems to be free of alien infiltration.
 
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Three natural allies

Recently, the Presidents of Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan gathered in Islamabad to seek ways and means to wriggle out of asymmetric American pressures. It is because the three countries have run into many difficulties in the context of their bilateral relations with the US. Although these states have followed different models of bilateral interactions with it, the end results are almost identical!

Since the Islamic Revolution, Iran has persistently followed an approach of comprehensive defiance. At the strategic level, it almost considers/treats Israel as an American state. This confrontational approach has resulted into a perpetual arm-twisting spree by Washington. In the process, the multi-stepped unilateral sanctions unleashed on Iran have reached a point of diminishing returns, whereby even close American allies feel uncomfortable to abide by its sanctions.

Unfortunately, a negative perception has been created against the Iranian nuclear programme. Despite Iran’s pragmatism during the NPT Review Conference 2010, and its cooperation in going along a Turkish-Brazilian initiative to resolve the issue of nuclear fuel swap, America continues to portray it as a violator of NPT obligations. Further, the US and Israeli sabre-rattling on nuclear issues crosses all limits of decency with naked threats to use military force to destroy its nuclear facilities. In a ‘couldn’t care less’ approach, however, Iran has achieved the expertise of enriching uranium up to the critical 20 percent benchmark.

But Afghanistan is following a path of total compliance; President Hamid Karzai is persistently facilitating the longevity of the occupation forces’ presence in Afghanistan. He is also conniving with the American administration to keep its troops on the Afghan soil by promising to provide military bases to them. Despite such obedience, the US has ditched him and is directly talking with their sworn enemies - the Taliban. Feeling left out, the Afghan President has disowned the Doha peace process and has demanded holding of the talks with the Taliban in Turkey or Saudi Arabia.

Meanwhile, Pakistan has been following a policy of tactical compliance and strategic defiance. This has resulted in increasing mistrust between America and Pakistan. The Pakistani government is stuck in the void between its policy of US appeasement and the overwhelming anti-American public sentiment. The duplicity on drone policy has eroded its credibility. The Abbottabad and Salalah attacks have tarnished the public image of the military leadership as well, which has generated a sense of insecurity among the people at large.

Despite varying trajectories, however, the three countries have met the same fate: Steamrolling of their core national interests by America. Hence, by default, they emerge as natural allies.

Against this backdrop, the three heads of states held a summit in Islamabad. They pledged to enhance cooperation among their countries, comprehensively for realising the shared aspiration of their people for peace, security, stability and economic prosperity. They agreed “not to allow any threat emanating from their respective territories against each other”, “vowed to contribute to the development and reconstruction in Afghanistan”, and “emphasised the need for enhancing their cooperation at international level.”

The Presidents of Iran and Pakistan reiterated “their full support for an Afghan-led and Afghan-owned process of peace and reconciliation”, assured Karzai that they “would extend full cooperation”, and stressed that any initiative in this regard must have authentic Afghan ownership. President Ahmadinejad opined: “The problems confronting the three countries have been imposed on the region from outside and need collective action for overcoming them.” President Zardari maintained: “Pakistan would not provide any bases to the United States for military action in Iran, and would go ahead with the IP gas pipeline project.” While President Karzai assured an “all-out support for early completion of CASA 1,000 and TAPI projects.”

Needless to say, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan house big chunks of Baloch population. It is not a mere coincidence that on the day of this trilateral summit, Representative Rohrabacher (who arranged the recent drama of Congressional hearing on Balochistan), along with Representatives Gohmert and King, submitted a resolution to the House of Representatives “seeking the right to self-determination for the people of Balochistan.”

Excerpts from the resolution are included that are quite interesting: “Whereas the people of Balochistan have maintained a proud and distinctive national, cultural and religious identity dating back to ancient times.......in 1666, the Baloch Khanate of Kalat was founded which functioned as an independent, sovereign country......in the 19th century, the Baloch people were conquered and divided by the imperialist expansion of Persia (Iran) and the British Empire; whereas, on August 15, 1947, the Khan of Kalat declared independence, only to have Baloch aspirations crushed by an invasion by Pakistan in April 1948.......revolts in 1958, 1973 and 2005 indicate continued popular discontent against rule by Islamabad, and the plunder of its vast natural wealth, while Balochistan remains the poorest province in Pakistan; whereas, a popular insurgency is also underway in Sistan-Balochistan and being met by brutal repression by the dictatorship in Iran which has added religious bigotry to tyranny; and whereas, it is the policy of the United States to oppose aggression and the violation of human rights inherent in the subjugation of national groups as currently being shown in Iran and Pakistan against the aspirations of the Baloch people: Now, therefore, be it ‘resolved’ by the House of Representatives.......that the people of Balochistan, currently divided between Pakistan, Iran, and Afghanistan, have the right to self-determination and to their own sovereign country and they should be afforded the opportunity to choose their own status among the community of nations, living in peace and harmony, without external coercion.”

The Khan of Kalat (of 1948) narrated in his autobiography that he joined Pakistan as an article of faith, since he experienced a vision in which the Holy Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) directed him to join it. Thereafter, he sought an appointment with Quaid-i-Azam, who met him despite severe illness. In that meeting, the Khan requested him to merge his Khanate with Pakistan! So, the present Khan of Kalat needs to read that book!

There is ample evidence that the Balochistan issue is being highlighted to pressurise Pakistan to provide America with monitoring facilities alongside the Iranian border. President Zardari, thus, made a pertinent announcement on the eve of the summit that Pakistan will not provide any military bases to America that could be used against Iran. Hopefully, the process of cooperation between Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan will continue despite USA’s coercive diplomacy. Indeed, the three countries are vital actors in the Afghan endgame; they need to move forward to resolve all outstanding issues and restore regional peace.

The writer is a retired Air Commodore and former assistant chief of air staff of the Pakistan Air Force. At present, he is a member of the visiting faculty at the PAF Air War College, Naval War College and Quaid-i-Azam University.



Three natural allies | The Nation
 
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let us not talk blindly, US if leaves it will be in their interest and even if they stay, they will some how manage to get what ever they want. Some one said that for Afghans, war is the economy, how much correct it is, I have no idea but sounds relevant at some point.
 
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Pakistan has to take the initiative, because it was Pakistan who invited them to the region in the first place, and they are more actively engaged with Pakistan than with any other nation. India is keeping them at an arms length so is China. It falls on Pakistani administration to say no to the US intrusiveness. I think a more bilateral approach irrespective of big powers by the South Asian countries will yield better results. We have to develop our inter state relations to an extent that outside influence does not affect us, as we have to co exist together in this region.

Good Idea by the way :tup:

We didn't invited them......they inforced us to be our guests by war threats... this is called in our langauge.

"Maan na Maan Main Tera Mahman"
 
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