Coalition to kick America out of this region

[Awesome]

There are many direct motives to see America kicked out of this region...

America has been playing all the countries against each other none of them have actually moved anything closer in achieving anything substantial within the past 10 years.

Afghanistan and India have gotten closer to the US and yet Pakistan has received huge aid and military equipment to keep both at bay as well.

Pakistan despite receiving aid and military has also been a target of smear campaign and has seen the most deaths and violent incidents either from direct US attacks or from the people we attacked on behalf of the US.

Afghanistan is under perpetual US occupation. No pullout deadline is serious since they want to play with the Taliban and don't want to see Taliban win any games either.

Obama used the term "should" when he said India, China, Pakistan all should wean away from Iranian oil. Why should India jeopardize its own growth from an ally who supports India over all other regional players?

China has always been uncomfortable with US presence in Pakistan, Afghanistan and India. With Afghanistan the US did not get sea access to the region - if they invade Iran, the US will be here to stay.

Enough is enough. This pesky entity from across the atlantic is making a mess out of things in this region. It is high time every nation adopts a policy that if anything is pro-American, we are against it. The idea is to just get the US out. It can only mess things up for all of us, don't let it play with our bilateral or multi-lateral issues or else our situation would be that of the Middle East.

We will all be net-losers if we played the game by US rules. Oppose it.

Some good starts in this regard:

Trilateral summit in Islamabad – The Express Tribune

The Iran-Afghanistan-Pakistan two-day summit on counterterrorism in Islamabad is not just about terrorism. It has people focusing on the strategic implications of the three presidents meeting to rethink the economic map of the region. America is about to leave Afghanistan, abandoning two allies uncertain about their future, while threatening the third country with a possible attack against its nuclear installations. How will the three presidents cope with the developing situation?

President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, ever the pragmatist in discussions, wants Pakistan to make up with America and reopen the Nato supply routes something which he argues will also financially benefit Pakistan. He wants Pakistan to help him tackle the Taliban in a separate dialogue which leaves the US out. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wants Iran to break out of its heroic isolation through an economic opening with Pakistan and India. President Asif Ali Zardari wants to avert economic collapse in Pakistan by leaning on Iran’s gas pipeline and electricity supply into Balochistan. Both Iran and Pakistan think their nuclear programmes are under threat.

Counterterrorism may be an easy subject if the three get together strategically. Iran has communicated much better with the Karzai government than with the Taliban. Its connection with the Northern Alliance is firm and if Pakistan wants to be on the same page, it will have to diversify its pro-Pakhtun Afghan policy. The two have behaved civilly over Baloch terrorism into Iran and may agree on the protection of the Hazara community in Quetta which the authorities there have steadily ignored.

Pakistan’s pragmatism will be understood by the world on the subject of the pipeline. It might be inclined even more to reliance on Iran because of the latter’s offer of deferred payment on the gas it will export. After that, Pakistan and Iran will have to plan how they can circumvent the sanctions placed on Iran’s State Bank to enable Pakistan to pay for the gas which is three times more expensive than the domestic gas it currently consumes. President Ahmadinejad is eager to break the isolation he has keenly embraced in the past, if Pakistan and India can help.

This brings us to the fourth party that is not present at the summit: India. New Delhi is a close ally of both Iran and Afghanistan and boasts a growth rate that makes it an important engine for economic revival in the region. India buys Iranian oil together with China and will not listen to the US, despite the pledges made by former president George W Bush to the US Congress under the Hyde Act allowing the India-US nuclear deal. Iran is also the alternative trade route between India and Afghanistan if Pakistan is does not come on board. Pakistan must see the China factor here too and resist the Defence of Pakistan Council with its non-state actors threatening to attack if Pakistan allows free trade with India.

There will be three US allies in this seemingly rebellious quadrilateral arrangement in the region: India, Afghanistan and Pakistan. All three have national interests that don’t gibe with the current US policy of isolating and punishing Iran for its ambition to go nuclear. In the background lurk Russia and China, both economically aligned with Europe and the US, but unwilling to let Iran be attacked. Had India been there in Islamabad, the four could swing the regional strategic balance in favour of peace and increased economic activity. Pakistan is the only state out of the three which is not closely economically aligned with India, but that can change. One hopes that a ‘consensus of four’ in favour of Iran can persuade the latter to adopt a path more in line with its own assertion that Islam forbids the development of a nuclear weapon.

The trilateral summit has two strong pro-India presidents dialoguing with a presumably sympathetic-to-India President Zardari saddled with an Afghan policy that no one in the region agrees with. The summit could have been quadrilateral with a lot of consequent global wallop which it doesn’t have now.

Published in The Express Tribune, February 18th, 2012.

 

[illusion8]

Pakistan has to take the initiative, because it was Pakistan who invited them to the region in the first place, and they are more actively engaged with Pakistan than with any other nation. India is keeping them at an arms length so is China. It falls on Pakistani administration to say no to the US intrusiveness. I think a more bilateral approach irrespective of big powers by the South Asian countries will yield better results. We have to develop our inter state relations to an extent that outside influence does not affect us, as we have to co exist together in this region.

Good Idea by the way

 

[Awesome]

This is what happens to people who take help from the US

Spies instead of help - CIA sent operatives into Pakistan after a deadly Kashmir quake — RT

When a 7.6 magnitude earthquake ripped through Pakistan in 2005, the whole world responded. Around 79,000 people were killed in the quake, one of the deadliest in recorded history. The US was there to help, too. At least that was their story.

After a massive quake centered near Kashmir devastated the eastern world, the United States was one of dozens of nations that offered aid in the immediate aftermath. Within a month, the US Defense Department had deployed nearly 1,000 personnel to respond to the disaster and the United States Agency for International Development sent millions worth of monetary assistance.

Also deployed, according to a new book, was a stealth team of spies.

Authors Marc Ambinder and DB Grady explain in their latest joint collaboration that as the US rushed to respond to the Kashmir quake, America took advantage of the disturbance. Under the guise of a humanitarian effort, spies were deployed into Pakistan with the mission of infiltrating both al-Qaeda and the Pakistani intelligence network. The revelations are published in the duo’s new book, The Command: Deep Inside the President's Secret Army, and in it they reveal to the public for the first time allegations over how the Joint Special Operations Command has done much more than the world realizes.

Ambinder has previously served as a White House correspondent and Grady a Special Forces paratrooper. In The Command, they write that the Joint Special Operations Command, the group known for working the raids on both Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, have done much more than meets the eye. Among their other abilities, write the authors, the JSOC serves as a secret army to aid in underground operations. Among those include the installation of spies amid the natural disaster in 2005.

"The US intelligence community took advantage of the chaos to spread resources of its own into the country,” write the authors. "Using valid US passports and posing as construction and aid workers, dozens of Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operatives and contractors flooded in without the requisite background checks from the country's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency," they continue.

"Under a secret program code-named Screen Hunter, JSOC, augmented by the Defense Intelligence Agency and contract personnel, was authorized to shadow and identify members of the ISI suspected of being sympathetic to al-Qaeda.”

While it is not clear if the tracking method ended at identification or if CIA-approved JSOC troops killed any Pakistani intelligence members, it does not seem like a move that would have been that out of the ordinary. “One official said that the goal of the program was to track terrorists through the ISI by using disinformation and psychological warfare,” add the authors.
“They operated in the border areas of Pakistan deemed off limits to Americans, and they targeted courier networks, trainers and facilitators,” they continue.

The revelation, more than six years after the fact, comes as tensions between the US and Pakistan approach a breaking point. Relations have worsened between the former friendly allies since the clandestine JSOC raid that ended the life of al-Qaeda’s Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil. Since conducting the mission last May, the US has continued to fly drones in, out and over Pakistan and has continues a military presence much to the chagrin of the country’s government and citizens.

In recent weeks, the US has claimed that it is attempting to expedite the end of its war in neighboring Afghanistan, but as RT noted earlier today, the Afghan ambassador to Pakistan insists that those talks are too exaggerated.

As a flame works towards snuffing what’s left of the tie between the US and Pakistan, Ambinder and Grady’s accusations will surely only increase the intensity of the blaze.

To the UK’s Daily Telegraph, former Pervez Musharraf official Tariq Azim agrees that this revelation will only worsen relations.
"Plenty of people are now saying we told you so, the US is up to its old tricks," he says. "Once again it brings up the debate about whether the US is really our ally.”

Those fears are spreading internationally as well as the United States’ ever-increasing series of shadow wars becomes more well known to the rest of the world.

Hisham Mohammed Salah, a 37-year-old café owner, recently told the New York Times that he was worried that operations similar to what the US was doing in Pakistan would soon come to his own country of Iraq. “We hear from time to time that drone aircraft have killed half a village in Pakistan and Afghanistan under the pretext of pursuing terrorists,” he says. “Our fear is that will happen in Iraq under a different pretext.”

While Ambinder and Grady’s book discusses the Kashmir incident in its best detail yet, it only exposes a fraction of what the JSOC has partaken in. A recent New York Times report revealed that the team has been dispatched to 70 countries during the last ten years and regularly works with 12,000 troops a day.

The US is not going to leave voluntarily, its still digging its heels in to stay longer and longer. It has to be kicked out, from Iraq to China, to all the way to Japan. The realization is setting in, the US will do all in its power to subjugate everyone it can as it desperately tries to hang on to its status as a global player.

 

[Awesome]

Pakistan has to take the initiative, because it was Pakistan who invited them to the region in the first place, and they are more actively engaged with Pakistan than with any other nation. India is keeping them at an arms length so is China. It falls on Pakistani administration to say no to the US intrusiveness. I think a more bilateral approach irrespective of big powers by the South Asian countries will yield better results. We have to develop our inter state relations to an extent that outside influence does not affect us, as we have to co exist together in this region.

Good Idea by the way

Pakistan is the worst affected, no doubt. We have this sinister entity that colludes with the US military to attack Pakistani soil - The Military GHQ in Rawalpindi. Its decision to shoot at attacking US military with rhetoric than the expensive equipment it owns is quite telling where the military GHQ's loyalty lies. They are worse than 100 Zardaris combined.

 

[Omar1984]

President Urges Unity among Regional States against West's Plots

TEHRAN (FNA)- Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at a joint press conference with his Pakistani and Afghan counterpart in Islamabad underlined the necessity for unity among the regional states for defusing enemies' divisive plots.


"They (the hegemonic powers) seek to create divisions and tensions among regional countries. They don't want us to make progress," President Ahmadinejad said on Friday.

"We should stand by each other and have unity and solidarity in order to advance and realize our goals," he added.

He also underscored the need for regional solutions to the problems of the region.

President Ahmadinejad further said that the third trilateral meeting between Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan has been aimed at discussing ways to deny foreign powers any chance to interfere in regional countries' internal affairs.

Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and Afghan President Hamid Karzai also highlighted unity in the face of global challenges.

In a relevant remarks earlier this month, Supreme Leader of Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei stressed that unity is an overriding need for Muslim nations, and urged Muslim states to meet the opportunities created by the Islamic Awakening.

Regional developments and revolutions, repeated withdrawals of the US and hegemonic powers and the increasing weakness of the Israeli regime are unique opportunities for Muslim nations which should be utilized completely, Ayatollah Khamenei stated, addressing high-ranking Iranian officials, participants in the 25th International Islamic Unity Conference and ambassadors of Muslim countries in Tehran.


Fars News Agency :: President Urges Unity among Regional States against West's Plots


Get Russia and China involved also in the Coalition

 

[OrionHunter]

The reality is that all three nations - India, Pakistan and Afghanistan's present government need to piggyback on America for a multitude of strategic and economic reasons. Forming a 'coalition' to kick America out of the region is impossible at the present juncture.

Even after their scheduled 'withdrawal' from Afghanistan in 2014, the U.S. would be leaving an 'assistance force' comprising roughly three divisions on a permanent basis to ensure continuity in their strategic interests in the region. It would be naive to think that they would leave Afghanistan to fend for itself. The economic and security stakes are too high for that to ever happen.

In a nutshell, the US of A has come to stay. Like in the Middle East, the American presence in Afghanistan is going to be a long drawn affair. And kicking them out will be a Herculean task, nay, impossible!

Call me a pessimist, but that's the reality. And the sooner we realize it, the better!

 

[Omar1984]

Trilateral summit: All regional problems coming from outside, says Iranian president


ISLAMABAD: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Friday said all problems in the region were the result of foreign interference.

Ahmadinejad was addressing a press conference alongside President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan and President Asif Ali Zardari. The two leaders are in Pakistan for a two-day visit to attend the Pakistan-Iran-Afghanistan trilateral summit for regional peace.

“All problems are coming from outside. In order to promote their goals and ambitions… they don’t want to allow our nations to develop,” he said, without specifically naming any foreign power.

The outspoken Iranian leader said “we should stick together in order to advance and achieve our goals”.

“All these powers are interfering in our affairs. We believe that the problems of the region must be solved regionally,” he said.

“We are here to strengthen the steps in order to solidify cooperation among the three nations. We are going to move towards removing the problems… and we should deny others the opportunity to interfere in our affairs,” he added.

Answering the recurring question on the involvement of Pakistani agencies and senior officers with extremist elements in Afghanistan, Zardari said that he denied this notion and said that they were not directly or indirectly involved with the militants. He said the fight was a “residue” of the war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, adding that there was drug trade worth billions of dollars going on in Afghanistan and that he had called for the United States (US) to pay attention to this matter.

The Pakistani president said that he had met Karzai and that they could not deny that were people from both sides who were involved in militancy. “This is a world problem… they have left the baby with us.”

Karzai also said that the dialogue held yesterday had been good and all three countries were working together.

 

[Developereo]

The trilateral summit is a joke. Ahmedinijad is the only one with b*lls. As for Karzai and Zardari/Gilani, is there anybody who has any trust in these two-timing, selfish men?

 

[Awesome]

This is our part of town man, its not going to be easy. The US will assassinate the few people who stand up to it, but once there is a wave of people supporting this one goal it can't stand its ground.

The US needs support in the region before it steps in from the common people. They had that in Afghanistan, they found it in Iraq and Libya, but they are stuck with Iran and to some degree Pakistan since whatever the issues if the US troops even manage to invade say Karachi, they won't be able to defend themselves from the armed teenager who would shoot at the US patrol any chance he gets.

The US can invade any region - but they can't hold it if the people unite against it.

 

[illusion8]

Pakistan is the worst affected, no doubt. We have this sinister entity that colludes with the US military to attack Pakistani soil - The Military GHQ in Rawalpindi. Its decision to shoot at attacking US military with rhetoric than the expensive equipment it owns is quite telling where the military GHQ's loyalty lies. They are worse than 100 Zardaris combined.

It really is astonishing and sad that entities within are eroding your sovereignty, The moment Pk disentangles completely from the US will be the day the US will be the weakest in the region. So ideally first Pakistan should sort out these people internally for the coalition of countries to work against outside forces. Afghanistan is clueless and weak, China and India both know how and to what extent they have to engage the west.

 

[Awesome]

The trilateral summit is a joke. Ahmedinijad is the only one with b*lls. As for Karzai and Zardari/Gilani, is there anybody who has any trust in these two-timing, selfish men?

That's true, but both Zardari and Karzai are hopefully at the near end of their careers and the policy has been set into motion.

As the new leaderships will come so will some continuation of the policy. Moreover with China so heavily involved and rumors that it was in fact them not Iranians who took down the stealth drone - the issues with its oil supply, regional control all shows that there are external forces as well as regional that have pushed these nations together.

For almost all - its a fight for their survival.

 

[53fd]

The US has planted its seeds, & these 'seeds' with do its bidding in the region even after US/NATO troops withdraw from Afghanistan. Although I agree with the idea presented by the OP, I don't see it happening any time in the near future.

 

[Rank]

"Spies instead of help - CIA sent operatives into Pakistan after a deadly Kashmir quake"

I said to my many friends in 2005 that "dekhna tum bohat sare Americi Agents Pakistan ayeengay EarthQuake may Help ka nara laga kar" hahahah my friend call me yesterday and said to me yaar tunay jo kaha tha 6 7 saal pehlay wohi eek news aye hey i said yes i know"

Interesting thing is if i am a Pakistan and at that time i was soo young when i thought some sort of stuff thn definitely those WHO ARE RULING PAKISTAN have better idea so what this MILITARY was doing at that time ?? busy in Money making ?

 

[Omar1984]

Afghanistan - Check

Iraq - Check

Libya - Check

Next on the list is Iran, Syria, and Pakistan. I believe Pakistan and Iran will resist the U.S. the most, and will make America's job very difficult.

 

[Developereo]

That's true, but both Zardari and Karzai are hopefully at the near end of their careers

Plenty more where they came from.

and the policy has been set into motion.

Nothing has been set in motion. The original press release mentions as much that previous meetings have resulted in little more than useless diplomatic statements. Ahmedinijad is not stupid. The only reason he is meeting with these losers is to try and get some idea of the American mood. He knows both Karzai and Zardari are American stooges.