CM Shehbaz announces metro bus, IT University for Faisalabad

[SBD-3]

I don't know who is wrong here. You or SS.
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For advance military technology. we should also "always" contact Chinese and Americans. why trying to bring those technologies here ?

And BTW Do being expensive justify the absence of modern hospitals and advance treatments in Pakistan ?
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Exactly. A country where even highly successful Politician and Highly successful Industrialist Pays only 3.59 crores that also in a time span of 23 Years. which is like 1.5 million Per year.

Sure it's Hard.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1258906

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Still. we spend double of what we allocate for CM houses.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1188497

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Disclaimer & Note : I am not a PTI supporter, neither PMLN. Just a Random Pakistani Citizen who want to audit his Rulers. So any reply should be Directed to my raised Points and not my Political affiliation.

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Still they spend thousands of dollars from tax Payer's money on dedicated PIA jet to bring him back. Irony, No ?

1- Modern hospitals require top dollars. In Pakistan AKUH is the most modern hospital and they charge you 3X the average hospital. They are justified because the government and most of the private hospitals do with two or three types of specialist but they hire consultants specialising in each disease and most modern equipment in Pakistan (Not even held by the Hospitals operated by military). And even they are quick to advise patients abroad when they see something beyond their capabilities. Modern hospitals are expensive to operate and expensive to operate. Even for cancer treatments in Pakistan, those who can afford it, use AKU despite SKMCH's claims of being the most modern cancer hospital, because people know it isn't. Heathcare is a research oriented sector where frontier treatments, machines and medicine are Damn expensive. Ever wonder why no foreign private chain operates hospitals in Pakistan?. Only until recently, the Saudi German group has agreed to setup a hospital in Bahria town alone.
2-450 Million is 45 Crores, yes it appears to be a large amount on face value but CM house includes expenses like salaries of CM Secretariat's employees as well. So I do agree that 10-15 Million should be spent on CM's house where you have 50-60 employees but I doubt even that would raise your temperature. In an average Government department wage bill is the biggest component. I would like to know how many employees are working in CM Secretariat if you can provide me with a figure please.
3- Again cherry picking a line from a news piece. Now see this picture and tell me what you think should have been the personal income tax?

And that would also include the question. Do you file your tax return?

 

[RealNapster]

1- Modern hospitals require top dollars. In Pakistan AKUH is the most modern hospital and they charge you 3X the average hospital. They are justified because the government and most of the private hospitals do with two or three types of specialist but they hire consultants specialising in each disease and most modern equipment in Pakistan (Not even held by the Hospitals operated by military). And even they are quick to advise patients abroad when they see something beyond their capabilities. Modern hospitals are expensive to operate and expensive to operate. Even for cancer treatments in Pakistan, those who can afford it, use AKU despite SKMCH's claims of being the most modern cancer hospital, because people know it isn't. Heathcare is a research oriented sector where frontier treatments, machines and medicine are Damn expensive. Ever wonder why no foreign private chain operates hospitals in Pakistan?. Only until recently, the Saudi German group has agreed to setup a hospital in Bahria town alone.

Let me ask again. Do being expensive Justify absence of modern government hospitals in Pakistan ?

also you just calmly avoided the question. whose claim was wrong about modern hospital chain in Punjab ? Your or SS ?

A 2-3 liner will work. keep it brief.

450 Million is 45 Crores, yes it appears to be a large amount on face value but CM house includes expenses like salaries of CM Secretariat's employees as well. So I do agree that 10-15 Million should be spent on CM's house where you have 50-60 employees but I doubt even that would raise your temperature. In an average Government department wage bill is the biggest component. I would like to know how many employees are working in CM Secretariat if you can provide me with a figure please.

Ok. i do criticism where it is due. i am not a Journalist or reporter who want sensational reviews to sell his newspaper. I do think that 45 Crore for CM house is too much but i also know it can't be less then 10 crore in any case.

3- Again cherry picking a line from a news piece. Now see this picture and tell me what you think should have been the personal income tax?

Only if you tell me his whole worth. i can only speculate. But i do know supreme court previously stoped relocation of 5 of SS and NS mills. i don't know what is the total number of mills they own. only if you can tell.

Atleast , 5 confirmed Sugar mills.
Ittefaq steel mills.
etc,

it is the known wealth of sharif family.

Quote "The Sharif family owns Ittefaq Group, a multimillion-dollar steel conglomerate.[18] In 2005, the Daily Pakistan reported that the family is the fourth wealthiest in Pakistan with an estimated net worth of $1.4 billion. The Sharif family expanded its steel business empire by employing state of the art technology.[19] They also own the extravagant Raiwind Palace in Lahore.

• Ittefaq Textile Mills
• Brothers Textile Mills
• Khalid Siraj Textile Mills
• Haseeb Waqas Sugar
• Ittefaq Textile
• Mehran Ramzan Textile
• Brothers Textile Mills
• Ramzan Baksh Textile Mills
• Mohammad Baksh Textile Mills
• Hamza Spinning Mills
• Ittefaq Sugar Mills
• Ramzan Sugar Mills
• Chaudri Sugar Mills
• Ittefaq Foundry (Pvt) Ltd
• Brothers Steel Mills
• Ittefaq Brothers (Pvt) Ltd
• Ilyas Enterprise
• Hudaibiya Paper Mills
• Hamza Board Mills
• Hudabia Engineering
• Khalid Siraj Industries
• Ali Haroon Textile Mills
• Hanif Siraj Textile Mills
• Farooq Barkat (Pvt) Ltd
• Abdul Aziz Textile Mills
• Barkat Textile Mills
• Sandalbar Textile Mills
• Haseeb Waqas Rice Mills
• Sardar Board and Paper Mills
• Model Trading House (Pvt) Ltd
• Hamza Poultry Farms
• Anhaar Milk "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif_family#Wealth

Now if you tell me how much they should Pay tax ? with known worth of USD 1.4 billion. they should atleast Pay PKR 20-30 crore per year, don't you think so ?

Before you jump on "Daily Pakistan" as a source is not credible. i think the above mentioned industries justifies that number of $ 1.4 billion.

And that would also include the question. Do you file your tax return?

I am a student.
I do not own any Property.
I do not earn, either by Job or any Business.

Still I Pay's Indirect taxes.

19% on each and every Recharge, Package on Mobile.
50-300% Tax on Medicens, Utilities and other commodities. and counting items.

 

[Finer]

Still they spend thousands of dollars from tax Payer's money on dedicated PIA jet to bring him back. Irony, No ?

Since when we live in non-irony world?

 

[SBD-3]

Let me ask again. Do being expensive Justify absence of modern government hospitals in Pakistan ?

also you just calmly avoided the question. whose claim was wrong about modern hospital chain in Punjab ? Your or SS ?

A 2-3 liner will work. keep it brief.

Like I said before, how do you define a modern hospital? What facilities do you think make a hospital Modern?

Ok. I do criticism where it is due. i am not a Journalist or reporter who want sensational reviews to sell his newspaper. I do think that 45 Crore for CM house is too much but i also know it can't be less then 10 crore in any case.

In any case what?
Even if there are 100 employees working at 30,000 (Grade 10,12) per month. the wage bill alone is 3.6 Crore. So How would the economics work?

Only if you tell me his whole worth. i can only speculate. But i do know supreme court previously stoped relocation of 5 of SS and NS mills. i don't know what is the total number of mills they own. only if you can tell.

You don't have to go to wikipedia. ECP used to publish the assets and liabilities of parliamentarians
According to the list, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif does not own any property overseas. Nawaz Sharif’s possesses wealth amounting to Rs. 2 billion while his son Hussain Nawaz had transferred an amount of rupees twenty-crore and seventy lac rupees from overseas to his father.
https://arynews.tv/en/election-commission-issues-details-of-assets-of-pm-nawaz/
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1089603/transparency-pms-declared-assets-worth-rs1-9-billion/

Atleast , 5 confirmed Sugar mills.
Ittefaq steel mills.
etc,

besides having inherited and gifted shares worth Rs120 million in her name in five sugar, textile and spinning mills. She also owned birds worth Rs2 million and furniture valued at Rs 40 million.
Not a 100% owner if average shares held being 2.4 Million per sugar mills.

it is the known wealth of sharif family.

Sharif family is the households of three brothers i.e. Nawaz, Shahbaz and Abbas. And now their businesses are divided as Abbas's family broke away after his death.

"The Sharif family owns Ittefaq Group, a multimillion-dollar steel conglomerate.[18] In 2005, the Daily Pakistan reported that the family is the fourth wealthiest in Pakistan with an estimated net worth of $1.4 billion. The Sharif family expanded its steel business empire by employing state of the art technology.[19] They also own the extravagant Raiwind Palace in Lahore.

• Ittefaq Textile Mills
• Brothers Textile Mills
• Khalid Siraj Textile Mills
• Haseeb Waqas Sugar
• Ittefaq Textile
• Mehran Ramzan Textile
• Brothers Textile Mills
• Ramzan Baksh Textile Mills
• Mohammad Baksh Textile Mills
• Hamza Spinning Mills
• Ittefaq Sugar Mills
• Ramzan Sugar Mills
• Chaudri Sugar Mills
• Ittefaq Foundry (Pvt) Ltd
• Brothers Steel Mills
• Ittefaq Brothers (Pvt) Ltd
• Ilyas Enterprise
• Hudaibiya Paper Mills
• Hamza Board Mills
• Hudabia Engineering
• Khalid Siraj Industries
• Ali Haroon Textile Mills
• Hanif Siraj Textile Mills
• Farooq Barkat (Pvt) Ltd
• Abdul Aziz Textile Mills
• Barkat Textile Mills
• Sandalbar Textile Mills
• Haseeb Waqas Rice Mills
• Sardar Board and Paper Mills
• Model Trading House (Pvt) Ltd
• Hamza Poultry Farms
• Anhaar Milk "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif_family#Wealth

http://www.findpk.com/yp/Private-limited-Company-in-Pakistan-Detail.asp?ComID=35051
See the name of CEO and you'll understand what's the difference when you talk about Nawaz Sharif and Sharif Family.
Now if you tell me how much they should Pay tax ? with known worth of USD 1.4 billion. they should atleast Pay PKR 20-30 crore per year, don't you think so ?

Before you jump on "Daily Pakistan" as a source is not credible. i think the above mentioned industries justifies that number of $ 1.4 billion.

I am a student.
I do not own any Property.
I do not earn, either by Job or any Business.

Still I Pay's Indirect taxes.

19% on each and every Recharge, Package on Mobile.
50-300% Tax on Medicens, Utilities and other commodities. and countims

.That's what everyone pays, even someone like me who pays the income tax. Understand the difference between direct and indirect taxation. Btw that 19% tax on mobile is refundable if you're a tax-filer. What's that 50% tax on medicine? and that 300%?

 

[RealNapster]

Like I said before, how do you define a modern hospital? What facilities do you think make a hospital Modern?

Heart surgery's, Liver transplant, Organ's transplant. India doing it. People from around the world visit India for such facilities. and i am sure India is as backward as us. so if they can have such modern facilities. why not we ?

Why every time our PM and CM of Punjab have to visit London even for "routine checkup's" ?

https://www.dawn.com/news/1253075

http://nation.com.pk/national/01-Apr-2012/shahbaz-off-to-london-for-medical-check-up

Now i don't think "routine checkup" requires that much advanced and modern hospitals. do they ?

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In any case what?

Elaboration of Previous Post : I do agree that despite how much you try to reduce CM house expenditures. it can not be less then 10 crores.

Now i think you understand what i said in Previous Post.

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Nawaz Sharif’s possesses wealth amounting to Rs. 2 billion while his son Hussain Nawaz had transferred an amount of rupees twenty-crore and seventy lac rupees from overseas to his father.
https://arynews.tv/en/election-commission-issues-details-of-assets-of-pm-nawaz/
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1089603/transparency-pms-declared-assets-worth-rs1-9-billion/

and this wealth (2 billion rupees) can justify stakes in all those mentioned Mills and Industries ? Ok. i trust you.

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See the name of CEO and you'll understand what's the difference when you talk about Nawaz Sharif and Sharif Family.

NS or SS is not CEO mean's they do not have stakes and shares in those companies ? In a Partnership of 2 person, if one have 49% share and other 51%. CEO will be the one who have 51% share. it doesn't mean other 49% shares have no value. do they ?

So don't you think 30-40% shares in 30 Plus Industries and Mills can accumulate $ 1.4 billion ?

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.That's what everyone pays, even someone like me who pays the income tax. Understand the difference between direct and indirect taxation. Btw that 19% tax on mobile is refundable if you're a tax-filer. What's that 50% tax on medicine? and that 300%?

You should know that sales tax and Import duties on some medicens and tablets are more then it's actual price. in one Particular case i have even seen 250% tax on medicen.

so what i said was that some medicens have tax ranging from 50% to upto 300% of it's actual price.
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Since when we live in non-irony world?

So you agree. Good to know that.

Dot

 

[Kabira]

1- Modern hospitals require top dollars. In Pakistan AKUH is the most modern hospital and they charge you 3X the average hospital. They are justified because the government and most of the private hospitals do with two or three types of specialist but they hire consultants specialising in each disease and most modern equipment in Pakistan (Not even held by the Hospitals operated by military). And even they are quick to advise patients abroad when they see something beyond their capabilities. Modern hospitals are expensive to operate and expensive to operate. Even for cancer treatments in Pakistan, those who can afford it, use AKU despite SKMCH's claims of being the most modern cancer hospital, because people know it isn't. Heathcare is a research oriented sector where frontier treatments, machines and medicine are Damn expensive. Ever wonder why no foreign private chain operates hospitals in Pakistan?. Only until recently, the Saudi German group has agreed to setup a hospital in Bahria town alone.
2-450 Million is 45 Crores, yes it appears to be a large amount on face value but CM house includes expenses like salaries of CM Secretariat's employees as well. So I do agree that 10-15 Million should be spent on CM's house where you have 50-60 employees but I doubt even that would raise your temperature. In an average Government department wage bill is the biggest component. I would like to know how many employees are working in CM Secretariat if you can provide me with a figure please.
3- Again cherry picking a line from a news piece. Now see this picture and tell me what you think should have been the personal income tax?
View attachment 391274
And that would also include the question. Do you file your tax return?

Since you seem to know thing or two about hospitals. How advance will be new hospitals being constructed in Lahore like Pakistan Kidney (or liver transplant) centre and DHA Medical city? Comparable to AKHU?

https://dhalahore.org/dha-medical-city-2/

Heart surgery's, Liver transplant, Organ's transplant. India doing it. People from around the world visit India for such facilities. and i am sure India is as backward as us. so if they can have such modern facilities. why not we ?

Agreed, Pakistanis shouldn't have to go to India for that. For that reason work has been started on this project, will take year to get completed.

Work on kidney, liver research centre begins

LAHORE - Punjab Chief Minister Shehbaz Sharif laid the foundation stone of Pakistan Kidney & Liver Transplant Institute & Research Center’s main building on Sunday.

He also inaugurated Hepatitis Treatment Filter Clinic at the site. With state of the art machinery, this filter clinic will provide modern and best medical facilities to hepatitis patients whereas Kidney & Liver Transplant Institute will provide modern and best medical facilities to kidney and liver patients with liver transplantation facility as well.

On the occasion, the CM said that such filter clinics would be set up on war footings in all 36 districts of the province. All these clinics would start providing medical facilities to hepatitis patients at the end of the current year, he added.

The first phase of Pakistan Kidney & Liver Transplant Institute & Research Center would be completed on 25th December of the current year, making possible liver transplant surgery in the city.

“This is the success of Pakistan,” Shehbaz stated and announced free treatment for poor and deserving patients.

“Instead of Punjab, this project has been named as Pakistan Kidney & Liver Transplant Institute & Research Center because it would provide medical facilities to people from Mehran Valley, Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Azad Kashmir, Gilgit Baltistan and Punjab.”

Shehbaz said he has provided approximately 1 billion rupees for the treatment of liver patients during last eight years because surgery of liver patients is not done in Pakistan and they have to travel to India, China, or other European country.
http://nation.com.pk/lahore/20-Mar-2017/work-on-kidney-liver-research-centre-begins

 

[SoulSpokesman]

Napster,

People from around the world visit India for such facilities. and i am sure India is as backward as us. so if they can have such modern facilities.

There may be a logic to that, altho I am speaking as a layperson who has limited knowledge of the healthcare. Most of the "modern" facilities you speak of are in the private sector in India, not in the public sector. So, why did the pvt sector set up such hospitals in India and not in Pak? The answer maybe in our economic evolution. Historically, our forex rules and unfriendly policy to aviation and foreign travel meants that it was next to impossible for most Indians barring the super-rich to travel abroad for treatment. Which meant that there was a large market for domestic hospital companies to attend to the middle classes which could afford to pay a decent sum for high cost high quality medical care.

With Pakistan it was different. Most Pakistanis, barring the very poor, cud afford to hop onto a plane and go off to Dubai or Muscat or even London for treatment. Plus almost every second Pak family has relatives in these places so the logistics work out right. End result, there was no pressing need for Pak to set up modern hospitals.

Regards

 

[SBD-3]

Heart surgery's, Liver transplant, Organ's transplant. India doing it. People from around the world visit India for such facilities. and i am sure India is as backward as us. so if they can have such modern facilities. why not we ?

Why every time our PM and CM of Punjab have to visit London even for "routine checkup's" ?

https://www.dawn.com/news/1253075

http://nation.com.pk/national/01-Apr-2012/shahbaz-off-to-london-for-medical-check-up

Now i don't think "routine checkup" requires that much advanced and modern hospitals. do they ?

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Heart Surgery
Here's a list of cardiology institutes and almost all of them are either in Punjab or in Karachi.
http://pic.punjab.gov.pk/
http://cpeic.gop.pk/
http://www.ric.gop.pk/
http://cpeic.gop.pk/
All Punjab Government operated Institutes. And none by other governments
Liver transplant
The only institute again in Punjab
https://pkli.punjab.gov.pk/
With private hospitals in Karachi and Rawalpindi
Organ Transplantation
Again SUIT Karachi
http://www.siut.org/deceased-donor-program.html
https://www.dawn.com/news/1302347
Childern Hospitals
One in lahore
Children's Hospital & Institute of Child Health
Now one being built in Faisalabad
Faisalabad Institute of Child Care (to be Asia's biggest hospital)

However, if you would require a transplant which requires sophisticated techniques and machinary and who's cases turn up 0.01% of the total cases, would it be wise to hold the treatment or the machinery or left it to more specialized hospitals. Case in Point
https://www.thenews.com.pk/archive/...dmitted-to-uk-hospital-for-critical-treatment
She was rushed to CMH Peshawar where treating the shot soliders is a usual practice but for Malala, even the CMH had to make way for QE hospital in UK which specializes in treating wounded. The heath infrastructure in rest of the provinces is virtually non-existent. So had it not been for Shaukat Khanum (That to half baked at the moment) setting up shop in Peshawar, KPK never had anything other than general or small sized hospitals. Same goes for Balochistan and Interior Sindh.
Shahbaz sharif suffered from backbone cancer and make regular visits to his doctor which is regular procedure after treatment (So that the cancer doesn't pop up again)
http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/290162-Was-in-London-for-treatment-of-backbone-cancer-Sh
Yes if he had been a poor man, he would have resorted to SKMCH or PINUM for treatment.


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and this wealth (2 billion rupees) can justify stakes in all those mentioned Mills and Industries ? Ok. i trust you.

Probably you should study on Corporate structures to understand what is meant by shareholding and what is majority and minority stockholding.

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NS or SS is not CEO mean's they do not have stakes and shares in those companies ? In a Partnership of 2 person, if one have 49% share and other 51%. CEO will be the one who have 51% share. it doesn't mean other 49% shares have no value. do they ?

So don't you think 30-40% shares in 30 Plus Industries and Mills can accumulate $ 1.4 billion ?

A-Again I suggest you to read up on corporate structure.
B-A lot of industries out of the list are defunct. Ithefaq Foundry is now being marketed as a housing scheme by Malik Riaz.
C-Again 51-49 is a shareholding pattern which can also be 90-10, or 80-20 or 70-30. What makes you so sure that its 51-49. And 49% is owned by NS?
There's a nice little disclaimer below every parliamentarian's returns that if the information is falsified, he/she would be disqualified. Quite a simple document to get NS disqualified
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You should know that sales tax and Import duties on some medicines and tablets are more then it's actual price. in one Particular case i have even seen 250% tax on medicine.

so what i said was that some medicines have tax ranging from 50% to upto 300% of it's actual price.

If you import cars, for example, you have to pay an amount higher than the imported cars as a duty. If this duty isn't imposed, second hand cars would drive the car manufacturers out of business and likewise other sectors. But I'm just curious which medicines are being charged at 50% and 300% in import duties.
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So you agree. Good to know that.

Dot

 

[RealNapster]

Heart Surgery
Here's a list of cardiology institutes and almost all of them are either in Punjab or in Karachi.
http://pic.punjab.gov.pk/
http://cpeic.gop.pk/
http://www.ric.gop.pk/
http://cpeic.gop.pk/
All Punjab Government operated Institutes. And none by other governments
Liver transplant
The only institute again in Punjab
https://pkli.punjab.gov.pk/
With private hospitals in Karachi and Rawalpindi
Organ Transplantation
Again SUIT Karachi
http://www.siut.org/deceased-donor-program.html
https://www.dawn.com/news/1302347
Childern Hospitals
One in lahore
Children's Hospital & Institute of Child Health
Now one being built in Faisalabad
Faisalabad Institute of Child Care (to be Asia's biggest hospital)

However, if you would require a transplant which requires sophisticated techniques and machinary and who's cases turn up 0.01% of the total cases, would it be wise to hold the treatment or the machinery or left it to more specialized hospitals. Case in Point
https://www.thenews.com.pk/archive/...dmitted-to-uk-hospital-for-critical-treatment
She was rushed to CMH Peshawar where treating the shot soliders is a usual practice but for Malala, even the CMH had to make way for QE hospital in UK which specializes in treating wounded. The heath infrastructure in rest of the provinces is virtually non-existent. So had it not been for Shaukat Khanum (That to half baked at the moment) setting up shop in Peshawar, KPK never had anything other than general or small sized hospitals. Same goes for Balochistan and Interior Sindh.
Shahbaz sharif suffered from backbone cancer and make regular visits to his doctor which is regular procedure after treatment (So that the cancer doesn't pop up again)
http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/290162-Was-in-London-for-treatment-of-backbone-cancer-Sh
Yes if he had been a poor man, he would have resorted to SKMCH or PINUM for treatment.

If this is the case. We have such wonderful and modern Hospitals. why go London even for a routine checkup ? One may Ask NS and SS. and before you say he can afford. all of them were on Government.

A-Again I suggest you to read up on corporate structure.
B-A lot of industries out of the list are defunct. Ithefaq Foundry is now being marketed as a housing scheme by Malik Riaz.
C-Again 51-49 is a shareholding pattern which can also be 90-10, or 80-20 or 70-30. What makes you so sure that its 51-49. And 49% is owned by NS?
There's a nice little disclaimer below every parliamentarian's returns that if the information is falsified, he/she would be disqualified. Quite a simple document to get NS disqualified
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Common sense, 49-51 was just an "example" to convey my Point. don't try so hard.

for example, you have to pay an amount higher than the imported cars as a duty. If this duty isn't imposed, second hand cars would drive the car manufacturers out of business and likewise other sectors. But I'm just curious which medicines are being charged at 50% and 300% in import duties.

Are those 200-300% taxes justified, was not the Question neither the Point. You just asked a Question about my tax return and i answered. that's it.


Let's leave this discussion here. as i can not repeat myself again and again. Also, i have a Paper tomorrow. So let's just both agree to disagree.

Dot.

Agreed, Pakistanis shouldn't have to go to India for that. For that reason work has been started on this project, will take year to get completed.

Work on kidney, liver research centre begins

Dair Ayad, Drust aayd.

There may be a logic to that, altho I am speaking as a layperson who has limited knowledge of the healthcare. Most of the "modern" facilities you speak of are in the private sector in India, not in the public sector. So, why did the pvt sector set up such hospitals in India and not in Pak? The answer maybe in our economic evolution. Historically, our forex rules and unfriendly policy to aviation and foreign travel meants that it was next to impossible for most Indians barring the super-rich to travel abroad for treatment. Which meant that there was a large market for domestic hospital companies to attend to the middle classes which could afford to pay a decent sum for high cost high quality medical care.

With Pakistan it was different. Most Pakistanis, barring the very poor, cud afford to hop onto a plane and go off to Dubai or Muscat or even London for treatment. Plus almost every second Pak family has relatives in these places so the logistics work out right. End result, there was no pressing need for Pak to set up modern hospitals.

Regards

These are very good Points you mentioned. It's just irony that our leader's claim to build modern and hi-tech hospitals, still visit London even for routine checkup's. The hollow claims of our leader's and their blind follower's, are something which hurt me.

Sharif family Hamary lye nahe to kam az kam apny lye he koi modern hospital bana le. kahe kisi din doora aane par London Pohnchne se pehle pehle mar gaye to ?

 

[SBD-3]

If this is the case. We have such wonderful and modern Hospitals. why go London even for a routine checkup ? One may Ask NS and SS. and before you say he can afford. all of them were on Government.

In response to the criticism, Shahbaz Sharif on Thursday said in a Facebook post on his official page that he has been suffering from backbone cancer for last several years and is thus required to visit London twice every year for treatment. CM said that he never wanted to inform the people about his problem but now feels that the people deserved to know the reality.

Shahbaz Sharif said that he was diagnosed with the backbone cancer during Musharraf era when he was living in forced exile and thus had to get his treatment started in London. He said that he was unable to change the doctor now since it is not recommended to change the doctor during the treatment. “One should stick with same oncologist who has been with you since start and understands your complete case”, he said.
http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/290162-Was-in-London-for-treatment-of-backbone-cancer-Sh

Then again which brings me back to the first argument that not everything can be treated at a particular hospital. Can we afford a specialized hospital like Queen Elizibeth? Why haven't any foreign hospital chain has opened any hospital in Pakistan?

Common sense, 49-51 was just an "example" to convey my Point. don't try so hard.

I'm just saying that he owns about 12 Million shares in total

Here's a complete list from 2015.

Here's his complete holding. So Now I would ask you to find a shareholding outside these ones. It would help at least PTI great miles.

Are those 200-300% taxes justified, was not the Question neither the Point. You just asked a Question about my tax return and i answered. that's it.

Your answer to Tax return was taken and not repeated. I am asking since you so claim, you would have had an idea about these drugs and for which purpose are they used. That would help me correcting myself since I havent been able to find any such details
https://www.dutycalculator.com/dc/1...eutical-products-from-china-to-pakistan-is-1/

Let's leave this discussion here. as i can not repeat myself again and again. Also, i have a Paper tomorrow. So let's just both agree to disagree.

Probably you should base discussions on some verifiable sources than wikipedia word of mouth.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

can some body tell CM sab that Pakistan especially Faisalabad need electricity

 

[Verve]

Just election talk to secure FSD votes ... I'm from FSD and in the 30 or so years of noora rule I have seen pathetic levels of development by the PMLN gov ...

FSD doesn't need metro bus.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Sharif bros must be the only netas in the world who are abused for getting work done!

Regards

Would be great if:

a) most of the projects were distributed through the entire province.
b) The projects are completed on schedule and cost efficiently.
c) Major projects aren't announced right before election season.
d) Projects are complemented by other policies to facilitate growth or promote business.

Believe me, the Sharif bros. have done far more harm than good. They may not be as bad as Zardari, but they are still pretty bad.

 

[DJ_Viper]

Quote "The Sharif family owns Ittefaq Group, a multimillion-dollar steel conglomerate.[18] In 2005, the Daily Pakistan reported that the family is the fourth wealthiest in Pakistan with an estimated net worth of $1.4 billion. The Sharif family expanded its steel business empire by employing state of the art technology.[19] They also own the extravagant Raiwind Palace in Lahore.

• Ittefaq Textile Mills
• Brothers Textile Mills
• Khalid Siraj Textile Mills
• Haseeb Waqas Sugar
• Ittefaq Textile
• Mehran Ramzan Textile
• Brothers Textile Mills
• Ramzan Baksh Textile Mills
• Mohammad Baksh Textile Mills
• Hamza Spinning Mills
• Ittefaq Sugar Mills
• Ramzan Sugar Mills
• Chaudri Sugar Mills
• Ittefaq Foundry (Pvt) Ltd
• Brothers Steel Mills
• Ittefaq Brothers (Pvt) Ltd
• Ilyas Enterprise
• Hudaibiya Paper Mills
• Hamza Board Mills
• Hudabia Engineering
• Khalid Siraj Industries
• Ali Haroon Textile Mills
• Hanif Siraj Textile Mills
• Farooq Barkat (Pvt) Ltd
• Abdul Aziz Textile Mills
• Barkat Textile Mills
• Sandalbar Textile Mills
• Haseeb Waqas Rice Mills
• Sardar Board and Paper Mills
• Model Trading House (Pvt) Ltd
• Hamza Poultry Farms
• Anhaar Milk "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif_family#Wealth

Now if you tell me how much they should Pay tax ? with known worth of USD 1.4 billion. they should atleast Pay PKR 20-30 crore per year, don't you think so ?

Reading your bold part at the end, it is pretty clear that you aren't speaking from a taxation's point. Its purely personal. I don't have a reason to get into Pakistani politics and I know everyone is corrupt, no doubt. But on the taxation question, I'd like to correct you a little. I have run businesses and have advised many billion dollar worth companies such as the GE and Boeing, etc.

GE's financial size was like $ 154 billion. Do think all executive combine pay the standard 20-25% all of us pay? Not really. At this level, there are plenty of tax strategies one can use. Capital expenditure is one, you put money into better running your business and that's a tax write-off all over the globe. The idea is to run a business better so it generates more revenue, jobs and then taxes. Some businesses buy stuff overseas in a smaller tax bracket and that helps them offset that huge tax liability. Some articles are posted for your review, these are all legal strategies.

On people who own shares and partnerships, I have partnerships myself. I don't pay taxes on it till the business will be sold, or if it ever goes public and that's different process. However, I do pay taxes on what I "EARN" from the business every year (in fact every quarter , and our tax rates are one of the highest in the world). But the partnership in growing business just means my wealth continues to develop. One day, when I want to cash out my share from a business, I'll then pay a huge amount in taxes. Or I can decide to stay in that business, let my wealth build up and I continue to pay taxes on what I earn from that business every year. These are personal choices. Tax payment is according to how I run my business and what I earn from it. Not because of the size of the business as the business should be paying its own taxes.

http://www.taxjusticeblog.org/archive/2016/04/just_plain_wrong_ge_and_verizo.php#.WPbjLWdw91s

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/11/general-electric-taxes_n_2852094.html

Would be great if:

a) most of the projects were distributed through the entire province.
b) The projects are completed on schedule and cost efficiently.
c) Major projects aren't announced right before election season.
d) Projects are complemented by other policies to facilitate growth or promote business.

Believe me, the Sharif bros. have done far more harm than good. They may not be as bad as Zardari, but they are still pretty bad.

Do you have proofs from each of the bullet points or these are just "talking" points? It'd be nice if proper substance can be provided with each accusation. Thanks

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Do you have proofs from each of the bullet points or these are just "talking" points? It'd be nice if proper substance can be provided with each accusation. Thanks

By projects I refer to metro and things like IT and electrical infrastructure.

Even large cities like Jhang are lacking basic infrastructure, and educational facilities like a university.