CM Shehbaz announces metro bus, IT University for Faisalabad

[DJ_Viper]

Nice alternative facts
http://www.pk.undp.org/content/pakistan/en/home/presscenter/pressreleases/2016/06/20/pakistan-s-new-poverty-index-reveals-that-4-out-of-10-pakistanis-live-in-multidimensional-poverty.html

http://www.pk.undp.org/content/paki...istanis-live-in-multidimensional-poverty.html

Twisting the facts aren't we? 4 out of 10 people.....what about the other 6? That's a majority and it is not under the "multi dimensional poverty"! Also, any other source to back it up with? And yes, we all know its a poor country. But its a poor country where majority of the poor still own their own homes, paid off!! That doesn't exist in the developed world as people have life long mortgages to pay. So equity wise, Pakistan's poor man, is still better than an American counter part in a way that the American average family may be making $ 50 K, but the giant number of taxes, etc, and other things reduces that income by 20-30% and they still pay mortgage, but the Pakistani guy may make $ 200 -600 per month, but at the end, he has his own home. That means built in equity. So the poor doesn't really turn out to be "economically" poor if you can understand Microeconomics. But yes, I agree, no one said that Pakistan has become Australia, but she is headed in the right direction.

Maybe if they would just start focusing more on direct instead of indirect taxes that are anti poor anti middle class we would be able to overcome our tax issue

Who is "they"?? There is a taxation system in Pakistan working since the British times. You inherited it like India. India went up to the moon economically, with the same tax code, and you are just talking, and so are many others.

Its almost like instead of working hard, you guys want to blame the system. Smart people and nations use the system that they have, work hard and know the system has worked for other poor nations like India, back in the day, South Korea, Sri Lanka, etc.

 

[Zibago]

Twisting the facts aren't we? 4 out of 10 people.....what about the other 6? That's a majority and it is not under the "multi dimensional poverty"! Also, any other source to back it up with?

https://tribune.com.pk/story/931758/poverty-60-3-pakistanis-living-on-2-a-day/

but the Pakistani guy may make $ 200 -600 per month

60% make less than 60$ a month and 80% less than 150$(RS 15000 aprox ) a month babooni alternative facts dont hold weight in front of real facts
The minimum official wage in Pakistan is 120$ in some places and 150 in other but majority of organizations dont follow the official limit
Also most of my countrymen spend half their income on food
http://www.brecorder.com/2014/07/09/183064/
Please dont justify over taxation of the middle class by comparing it with American middle class

they

PMLN and previous govts this govt just like the previous one focused more on indirect taxes and punished urban lower and middle class while direct taxation on the wealthy continues to fall we have a reverse robin hood situation

 

[Flash_Ninja]

1) Do you have any facts to prove a "few billion" have in fact slipped out of the accounts into personal accounts? An Italian guy once told me that whoever eats Italian food with Garlic and Olive Oil, lives up to 100 years. Is it really true? Everyone eating Garlic gets to 100 years? So when you say things like "a few billions can easily slip into personal accounts", do the banks not know such large transactions? As like the US, Pakistan also has laws to report large transactions through an automated system. You think there won't be ONE guy in the entire Pakistan realizing a "few billion" slipped?

You are joking right? You are seriously questioning the corruption in pmln projects?

Maybe they don't suddenly take billions out, but they do it in various ways. Artificially increasing projects costs, hiring workers that dont exist, and as somebody pointed out charging insane rates to privately owned compsnies that they also run.

Its no myth, in fact they've already been caught looting billions in the past, and the company providing just the electrical components alone, in the Lahore metro petitioned the NAB alleging 72 million in corruption.

You are making it sound like these people have bought everyone. How silly is that? There are plenty of people who hate the government in Pakistan, right on this forum. I've read some seriously messed up stuff but its not my business. So none of the opposition people could ever know that a few billion people got slipped? How come there is "opposition parties" in Pakistan when it appears that everyone is in bed with them? If you'd like to debate with me, please be somewhat logical.

The opposition is either in the same boat (PPP), or are attempting to disqualify the PM and declare new elections (PTI). I advise you to read up on Pakistani politics before you try and argue it.

2) Tax population, yes, that is why the people in Pakistan are so rich! No one has paid taxes in the past 70 years! And no, 15% isn't the tax population of majority of the big countries, its over 50%! The bigger countries run on taxation, the entire governments, defense, etc, run on taxes.

Ah yes, because tax free paradises like Somalia are so developed and prosperous? In case you didn't realise, development is based on many factors, the least of which is taxation.

You need to read up on tax collection in Pakistan before you also start arguing this

3) What huge differences exist between Lahore and Peshawer metro projects? Enlighten me please with certified numbers. Wasn't metro a failed project to begin with (per many on here)? Now why is it being implemented in "their" hometowns? There has to be some sense when you write things like this. You can't just make general statements like we are talking about Cars and Clothes.

I never said that they are bad, I just said its a bad priority. I don't trust Shahbaz to run the project withhuge debt and drain the treasury when there are far more important issues. Unlike the metro projects in Punjab, Peshawar Metro has all the details of the project available to the public and it is nuilt to be future proof in handling a much larger capacity in passengers.

Furthermore the Lahore Metro also receives a 1.5 billion annual subsidy, whereas the Peshawar metro gets none.

 

[DJ_Viper]

https://tribune.com.pk/story/931758/poverty-60-3-pakistanis-living-on-2-a-day/

60% make less than 60$ a month and 80% less than 150$(RS 15000 aprox ) a month babooni alternative facts dont hold weight in front of real facts
The minimum official wage in Pakistan is 120$ in some places and 150 in other but majority of organizations dont follow the official limit
Also most of my countrymen spend half their income on food
http://www.brecorder.com/2014/07/09/183064/
Please dont justify over taxation of the middle class by comparing it with American middle class

PMLN and previous govts this govt just like the previous one focused more on indirect taxes and punished urban lower and middle class while direct taxation on the wealthy continues to fall we have a reverse robin hood situation

First of all, Tribune.com.pk is as trust worthy to me as the Saturday Night Live tv show in the US. Both could be writing something for fun and people would be posting it like its from the Bible.

Second, in 2014, Pakistan was near the bottom of a sh!t hole called bankruptcy and it was just getting done with it. Today, the Pakistan's stock market alone had tippled in size, the taxation has over tripled also. So please, give me real numbers as I know some of them. I follow emerging markets very closely and sort of know what's going on where (growth wise) almost instantaneously.

Third, no government wants to impose taxes on the poor to "look bad". If you think about it, they will be losing votes. So the issue is much more complicated than this. But the good news is, Pakistan's middle class and the economy, are growing along with jobs. So its headed towards a good place.

Before you write me more "all hell's breaking lose" types of posts, please check out the stocks for new vehicle manufacturers. They have gone over 1000% in value, speaks volumes to the actual growth that's shaping up in Pakistan as the auto industry across the globe is depressed. But its taking off in Pakistan due to the high demand. Same with Cement, Metals, etc, why? Again, the demand, means more construction work, means more engineers and machine operators will be employed, means more cities and towns and roads will be built, and the real estate around these construction areas will boom. The villages and small town owners will benefit from the rising real estate, will sell and purchase stuff and will put the extra money in businesses, which will then generate more taxes and the GDP and the Tax revenue will grow, expanding this cycle, year by year.

You are joking right? You are seriously questioning the corruption in pmln projects?

Maybe they don't suddenly take billions out, but they do it in various ways. Artificially increasing projects costs, hiring workers that dont exist, and as somebody pointed out charging insane rates to privately owned compsnies that they also run.

Its no myth, in fact they've already been caught looting billions in the past, and the company providing just the electrical components alone, in the Lahore metro petitioned the NAB alleging 72 million in corruption.

The opposition is either in the same boat (PPP), or are attempting to disqualify the PM and declare new elections (PTI). I advise you to read up on Pakistani politics before you try and argue it.


Ah yes, because tax free paradises like Somalia are so developed and prosperous? In case you didn't realise, development is based on many factors, the least of which is taxation.

You need to read up on tax collection in Pakistan before you also start arguing this



I never said that they are bad, I just said its a bad priority. I don't trust Shahbaz to run the project withhuge debt and drain the treasury when there are far more important issues. Unlike the metro projects in Punjab, Peshawar Metro has all the details of the project available to the public and it is nuilt to be future proof in handling a much larger capacity in passengers.

Furthermore the Lahore Metro also receives a 1.5 billion annual subsidy, whereas the Peshawar metro gets none.

I don't need "news".....I watch cnn and fox news for it. I need facts, court cases with proven guilty, third party audits with reports sent to the GAO or whatever equivalent in Pakistan that exists. And believe me, when things like these happen at this level, there is ALWAYS someone watching from the "other party" and sh!t gets leaked. If there are no proofs, then nothing took place, period. People who eat Garlic live to be 100 years old. An Italian man said it to me. I doubt he could back it up. So no, people who eat Garlic and work in Pakistan and do corruption, don't get to be 100 years old and no, they can't hide corruption at this scale. So please provide proofs sir.

I would actually like to agree with you as I am getting tired of reading posts with "sensational" corruption news on here. Please show me some proof so that I can agree with you. Thanks

 

[Flash_Ninja]

First of all, Tribune.com.pk is as trust worthy to me as the Saturday Night Live tv show in the US. Both could be writing something for fun and people would be posting it like its from the Bible.

Second, in 2014, Pakistan was near the bottom of a sh!t hole called bankruptcy and it was just getting done with it. Today, the Pakistan's stock market alone had tippled in size, the taxation has over tripled also. So please, give me real numbers as I know some of them. I follow emerging markets very closely and sort of know what's going on where (growth wise) almost instantaneously.

Third, no government wants to impose taxes on the poor to "look bad". If you think about it, they will be losing votes. So the issue is much more complicated than this. But the good news is, Pakistan's middle class and the economy, are growing along with jobs. So its headed towards a good place.

Before you write me more "all hell's breaking lose" types of posts, please check out the stocks for new vehicle manufacturers. They have gone over 1000% in value, speaks volumes to the actual growth that's shaping up in Pakistan as the auto industry across the globe is depressed. But its taking off in Pakistan due to the high demand. Same with Cement, Metals, etc, why? Again, the demand, means more construction work, means more engineers and machine operators will be employed, means more cities and towns and roads will be built, and the real estate around these construction areas will boom. The villages and small town owners will benefit from the rising real estate, will sell and purchase stuff and will put the extra money in businesses, which will then generate more taxes and the GDP and the Tax revenue will grow, expanding this cycle, year by year.



I don't need "news".....I watch cnn and fox news for it. I need facts, court cases with proven guilty, third party audits with reports sent to the GAO or whatever equivalent in Pakistan that exists. And believe me, when things like these happen at this level, there is ALWAYS someone watching from the "other party" and sh!t gets leaked. If there are no proofs, then nothing took place, period. People who eat Garlic live to be 100 years old. An Italian man said it to me. I doubt he could back it up. So no, people who eat Garlic and work in Pakistan and do corruption, don't get to be 100 years old and no, they can't hide corruption at this scale. So please provide proofs sir.

I would actually like to agree with you as I am getting tired of reading posts with "sensational" corruption news on here. Please show me some proof so that I can agree with you. Thanks

No point arguing with someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. You don't know enough about Pakistani politics, or administration to understand the issues.

I'm sure everything is friendly and transparent in Kansas, but its no where near the same situation as Pakistan, you cant apply the same logic to it.

 

[Zibago]

cnn and fox news

That explains a lot

First of all, Tribune.com.pk is as trust worthy to me as the Saturday Night Live tv show in the US.

My god a guy who post images off the internet and claims them as his own cant even spend 10 seconds to verify imf,adb and un stats on poverty

Before you write me more "all hell's breaking lose" types of posts,

Simple its the difference between haves and have nots we had a negative growth in agriculture growth last year despite there being no flood or drought we had increase in malnutrition it may not worry paid touts but it worries people who care for their fellow countrymen

Third, no government wants to impose taxes on the poor to "look bad".

Well in Pakistan they can either tax their rich buddies and lose political support or tax the poor they always go for the later option

No point arguing with someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. You don't know enough about Pakistani politics, or administration to understand the issues.

I'm sure everything is friendly and transparent in Kansas, but its no where near the same situation as Pakistan, you cant apply the same logic to it.

Bhai jan yeh nadaan nahi jaan bhoj kay anjan banta hy iska naam orangzeb hy muft ka American banta hy jhota insan hay nawaz ki tarah
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistani-bully-kutha.436220/page-5

 

[DJ_Viper]

That explains a lot

My god a guy who post images off the internet and claims them as his own cant even spend 10 seconds to verify imf,adb and un stats on poverty

Simple its the difference between haves and have nots we had a negative growth in agriculture growth last year despite there being no flood or drought we had increase in malnutrition it may not worry paid touts but it worries people who care for their fellow countrymen

Well in Pakistan they can either tax their rich buddies and lose political support or tax the poor they always go for the later option

Man, you aren't making sense. You can try to mock me but if you think you are sounding intelligent here, I hate to disappoint you, you are not. I don't try to blow my own horn as it looks cheap, but sometimes you have to do it to get the other person's head in the right place. You can make fun of me due to watching cnn and foxnews, as you just stereotyped me, so let me not disappoint you either. Yes, I do watch those and Yes, even with watching these, we've run the globe for decades and we sill do it without breaking a sweat. No one else has been shown to use their brains better than us in the past 80-90 years. So yes, I proudly watch cnn and foxnews!

I never claimed any images as mine, as they were taken from the internet. Now your logic sounds like the rest of your posts. No substance, just personal stuff. I posted the images, to show the kind of DOGS I had. I never said those were my Dogs pictures. I showed what I had and liked by grabbing what I could find on the internet so people can see. There was a reference made to the Dogs. No one said "these are pics of my dogs". Sorry, but its clear you don't comprehend well. I had posted this twice already.

On the topic now, about Tax, who isn't using their rich buddies in politics across the globe? Everyone does it so it happens in Pakistan too.

No point arguing with someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. You don't know enough about Pakistani politics, or administration to understand the issues.

I'm sure everything is friendly and transparent in Kansas, but its no where near the same situation as Pakistan, you cant apply the same logic to it.

I agree, I don't know much about everything. But I also have common sense and God given ability to learn. How about you show me some proofs of court cases (with penalty or guilty verdict), people's names with fraud records or cases that were proven to be right, etc, etc, and us not just talk about "people who eat Garlic live to be 100 years old". I mean, is this sh!t really true?

 

[Zibago]

No one else has been shown to use their brains better than us in the past 80-90 years

And yet you elected someone who is anti science and calls global warming a chinese conspiracy

On the topic now, about Tax, who isn't using their rich buddies in politics across the globe? Everyone does it so it happens in Pakistan too.

Does it make it right?
No in Pakistan just like in rest of the world people are trying to break this toxic marriage of rich and powerfull that puts burden on poor working class families

we sill do it

That ship is sailing away buddy
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...omy-and-it-doesnt-matter-a-darn/#375d803039fc

 

[DJ_Viper]

And yet you elected someone who is anti science and calls global warming a chinese conspiracy

Does it make it right?
No in Pakistan just like in rest of the world people are trying to break this toxic marriage of rich and powerfull that puts burden on poor working class families

That ship is sailing away buddy
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...omy-and-it-doesnt-matter-a-darn/#375d803039fc

Here we go. Another post with puzzles in it . Let's solve.

Yes, we elected someone who is a very successful businessman and he has a right to his opinion. Doesn't mean the entire EPA has shut down global warming monitoring. This is so silly to even argue.

Toxic Marriage of Rich and Powerful. So you have politicians in Pakistan that aren't rich married to the power . Someone wants to go back and redo Adam's time to change the world. Good luck. If you are 12, I honestly don't want us to argue as you need real life experience to understand life.

And China can be the number 1 economy. If the number 1 consumer (the US) backs out, I'd love to see how quickly China goes from Top to Rock Bottom in terms of growth. There is a reason why the Chinese President met with Trump and went home and put 200K soldiers on their border against NK. Speaks volume.

Alright Kid. Have a good night.

 

[Zibago]

Toxic Marriage of Rich and Powerful. So you have politicians in Pakistan that aren't rich married to the power

Is it wrong to want a just tax system that is not anti poor and doesnot make 50% of Pakistan spend half their income on food?
All over the world people are pressurizing their govt to increase tax on the top 1%

Yes, we elected someone who is a very successful businessman and he has a right to his opinion.

Global warming is a chinese hoax really?

And China can be the number 1 economy. If the number 1 consumer (the US) backs out, I'd love to see how quickly China goes from Top to Rock Bottom in terms of growth.

And what makes you think US can survive without CHina?
Its a global world superiority complex may win elections but it doesnot hold eight when confronted with raw facts