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just kidding man, don't take it personally.

reuters can be a bit slanted at times too but they're mostly ok, but this 'ukrinform' is just as bad as EuromaidanPR.

anyway, I've noticed you only post news, not views... what are your personal views on Sergey Aksyonov being part of the official delegation to visit India with Putin in December ?

That was surprise unofficial visit

The Indian Ministry of External Affairs has said they were not officially aware of his visit or his participation in the delegation. We're seeking further clarification on that,"
 
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That was surprise unofficial visit

The Indian Ministry of External Affairs has said they were not officially aware of his visit or his participation in the delegation. We're seeking further clarification on that,"
:lol: yeah sure.. I thought it was a real masterstroke from Putin, and the Modi govt went *wink wink* (message to the west with a great denial alibi) :angel:
 
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:lol: yeah sure.. I thought it was a real masterstroke from Putin, and the Modi govt went *wink wink* (message to the west with a great denial alibi) :angel:

That card was played by President Putin but in reality that has showed the importance of India .
 
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That card was played by President Putin but in reality that has showed the importance of India .
showed that we will not be swayed by the west into backing their stance on a conflict far away from our land but we stand with Russia. 99% general population here probably couldn't pick Ukraine on a map, those who do know of the conflict, are with the Russians.
 
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US increasingly concerned that Russia is intent on partitioning Ukraine

The public disclosure that the US is considering supplying lethal weaponry to Ukraine in its battle with Russian-backed separatists, reflects heightened American concern that Moscow is intent on carving out an expanded, economically viable enclave in eastern Ukraine that could in time declare itself an independent state.

Vladimir Putin, Russia’s president, pursued this policy in Georgia after the 2008 war, when he encouraged separatists in the breakaway republics of Abkhazia and South Ossetia to proclaim their independence from Tbilisi. Pro-Moscow forces in Transnistria, legally part of Moldova, have taken a similar path.

US concern that Putin, despite previous assurances to the contrary, is now seeking effectively to partition Ukraine has been fuelled by rebel territorial gains. Nato estimates that the separatists, backed by Russian reinforcements including T-80 tanks, have seized control of an additional 200 square miles in the past four months.

“The assessment of some senior western officials is that the Kremlin’s goal is to replace the Minsk agreement [the September pact that proposed a ceasefire and territorial guarantees] with an accord that... would leave the separatists with a more economically viable enclave,” the New York Times reported.

Ukrainian rebels’ call to arms ‘shows they are weak’
Resumed peace talks in Minsk at the weekend collapsed within hours after rebel representatives sought to redraw the proposed demarcation line between the two sides to include their recent territorial gains. The Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europesaid the rebels “were not even prepared to discuss implementation of a ceasefire and withdrawal of heavy weapons”.

By leaking internal discussions about supplying lethal weapons to Kiev, the Obama administration may be warning Putin to back off. US and EU sanctions, renewed last week, have failed to stop him. Diplomatic interventions by Germany’s Angela Merkel and France’s François Hollande have also proven ineffective. Instead, US officials say Putin has deployed new heavy weapons and 1,000 specialist military and intelligence personnel, and the fighting has intensified. About 5,000 people have died since last April, with more than 1 million displaced.

The US secretary of state, John Kerry, is due in Kiev on Thursday and will use the visit to take the temperature in the Ukrainian capital as the US administration weighs its options.

Lt Col Vanessa Hillman, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said the administration’s focus “remains on pursuing a solution through diplomatic means,” but added, “we are always evaluating other options that will help create space for a negotiated solution to the crisis.”

But Washington’s threat risks turning what is currently a largely contained, internal insurrection into an international proxy war, pitting the US and Nato against Russia. In prospect now is the killing or maiming of Russians by American anti-tank missiles, a scenario not seen since the cold war-era occupation of Afghanistan by Soviet forces. The impact on wider European security could be deeply destabilising.

Tensions are already running high, not least with the increase in air and sea incidents involving the Russian military, such as last week’s provocative over-flight of the English channel. Nato’s decision to set up permanent military command centres in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia and its creation of a 5,000-strong rapid response force are characterised by Putin as an attempt by the west to contain Russia.Last week, he ridiculed Ukraine’s army as Nato’s “foreign legion”.

Such an American escalation would probably deepen European divisions over Ukraine. Greece, heavily indebted, and Hungary, which has close economic links to Russia, take a very different line, for example, from that of the UK, which American reports suggest could follow any US lead in supplying weapons.

Uncertainty about Russian intentions has already caused a bad case of the jitters in Finland, Sweden and the Baltic republics. In the Czech Republic, the army chief of staff, General Petr Pavel, was quoted last week as predicting that an escalation in Ukraine would lead to the biggest military manoeuvres since 9/11, with troops being posted to the borders and to guard strategic plants. There are also wider European fears of mass refugee movements and manufactured unrest among expatriate ethnic Russian and Ukrainian minorities.

Judging by past performance, Putin is more likely to up the ante than back down if the US goes ahead. Retaliatory Russian escalation, which could include wider military intervention in Ukraine, renewed interference in Moldova, Georgia and the Baltic region or, for example, stepped-up deployment and testing of Iskander-M nuclear-capable cruise missiles in Kaliningrad, the Russian enclave between Poland and Lithuania.

Putin may calculate that, as with Georgia in 2008 and Crimea last year, the US and Nato will not move militarily to thwart him in the end. He would use any Ukraine escalation to boost his narrative to the Russian people that the Fatherland is under siege by the west. But the obvious danger is that he may over-play his hand and, in his hubris and arrogance, provoke a wider calamity.

US increasingly concerned that Russia is intent on partitioning Ukraine | World news | The Guardian

Looks like USA entered the conflict officially by providing arms and "trainers".
 
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showed that we will not be swayed by the west into backing their stance on a conflict far away from our land but we stand with Russia. 99% general population here probably couldn't pick Ukraine on a map, those who do know of the conflict, are with the Russians.

Oh come now. Just dont forget we use to get spare parts from Ukraine and even signed contract with Ukraine for An-32 upgrading the fleet of 105 aircraft of which 40 were to be developed in Ukraine and the remaining were to be modernised in IAF facilities in Kanpur.
 
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Oh come now. Just dont forget we use to get spare parts from Ukraine and even signed contract with Ukraine for An-32 upgrading the fleet of 105 aircraft of which 40 were to be developed in Ukraine and the remaining were to be modernised in IAF facilities in Kanpur.
once/if they have a legitimate government, for now all business with the current junta should be stalled as they are an illegitimate entity and involved in a civil war.
 
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Merkel says ceasefire must be restored in Ukraine
BUDAPEST Mon Feb 2, 2015 1:13pm GMT

(Reuters) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel appealed on Monday for a ceasefire to be urgently restored in Ukraine, under the terms of the Minsk peace plan, and added Germany would not support Kiev's military forces through deliveries of weapons.

"Germany will not support Ukraine with weapons. I am convinced this conflict cannot be solved by military means," Merkel said during a press conference in Budapest with Hungarian leader Viktor Orban.

Merkel says ceasefire must be restored in Ukraine| Reuters
 
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once/if they have a legitimate government, for now all business with the current junta should be stalled as they are an illegitimate entity and involved in a civil war.

we should not derail this thread.

Last modernized aircraft will be delivered in 2017.

IAF awaits 'safe' return of last batch of AN-32 fleet
IAF officials insist that the ongoing crisis between Russia and Ukraine has not impacted the An-32 upgrade programme as Ukraine ensures insulation of of aerospace industry from external factors because of economic reasons.

The overhaul programme includes extension of the AN-32’s life up to 40 years besides overhauling and re-equipping the aircraft with new systems.
 
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According to New york times.

In recent weeks, Russia has shipped a large number of heavy weapons to support the separatists’ offensive in eastern Ukraine, including T-80 and T-72 tanks, multiple-launch rocket systems, artillery and armored personnel carriers, Western officials say.

Some of the weapons are too sophisticated to be used by hastily trained separatists, a Western official said. NATO officials estimate that about 1,000 Russian military and intelligence personnel are supporting the separatist offensive while Ukrainian officials insist that the number is much higher.
 
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Rights Group Slams Rise o fNeo-Nazism in Ukraine on Stalingrad Anniversary.
World Without Nazism president Boris Spiegel chastised the rise of neo-Nazism in the Ukrainian heart of Europe in a statement on the 72nd anniversary of the battle of Stalingrad.
MOSCOW, February 2 (Sputnik) — In a statement released on the 72nd anniversary commemorating the end of Battle of Stalingrad, Boris Spiegel, President of the "World Without Nazism" international rights organization, offered a harsh rebuke to Ukrainian neo-fascists and neo-Nazi battalions fighting in eastern Ukraine, warning them that they would share the fate of Axis armies at Stalingrad.

"Today neo-Nazis are once again raising their heads. Their ideology is poisoning civil society in the very heart of Europe," Spiegel writes. He notes that these groups have committed war crimes against those "who honor the memory [of Soviet soldiers] over the Nazi machine of death."

"Neo-Nazis, under the guise of pseudo-patriotic slogans, shoot their own citizens, apply harsh punitive measures, including the impediment of delivery of humanitarian aid, fire at kindergartens, schools and hospitals filled with the children, women and the elderly, and at busses filled with civilians," the rights group head notes.

The members of these groups, "who do not respect these hundreds of deaths of innocent children, women and the elderly, risk being surrounded in a new Uranus pincer," Spiegel notes, referring to Operation Uranus, the Soviet operation to encircle Axis forces at Stalingrad. Over the course of the operation, Soviet forces surrounded nearly 300,000 Axis soldiers, and smashed the German Sixth Army. The Stalingrad battle, one of the largest during the Second World War, is widely considered to be the turning point of the war in Europe.

World Without Nazism is an international anti-Nazi organization founded in 2010. Its central aim is to prevent the rise of Neo-Nazism. The organization's efforts include education initiatives, the preservation of historical memory to the victims of Nazis war crimes, and informational and legal initiatives against efforts to rewrite the history of the Second World War.

Read more: Rights Group Slams Rise of Neo-Nazism in Ukraine on Stalingrad Anniversary / Sputnik International
 
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Information about Su-25 shot down by terrorists is false - Міністерство оборони України

Tuesday, February 3, DONBAS — The information spread by representatives of so called LNR distributed by information agencies and online media about Ukrainian AF aircraft allegedly shot down by terrorists over Irmino is FALSE.

The ATO press center asks journalists, bloggers, users of social networks to remain unprovoked by terrorists and spread information received from official sources only.

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Five Ukrainian servicemen killed, 27 injured in Donbas in past 24 hours| Ukrinform
KYIV, February 3 /Ukrinform/. Five Ukrainian servicemen have been killed and 27 have been injured in the area of the anti-terrorist operation in Donbas in the past 24 hours.

Spokesman for the anti-terrorist operation in eastern Ukraine Andriy Lysenko said this at a briefing in Kyiv on Monday.

"During the shelling and clashes Ukraine has lost five soldiers, another 27 were injured," he said.

On Feb. 3, St. Maria Battalion fighters attended a ceremony before leaving for military training at St. Sofia Square
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DPR militants ready to exchange more than 10 prisoners with ATO forces : UNIAN news

Militants of the Donetsk People’s Republic organization are ready to exchange a group of more than 10 prisoners with the Ukrainian armed forces, Commissioner for Human Rights of the DPR Daria Morozova said on Tuesday, according to Russian news agency RIA Novosti.

"Today, the process of exchange of prisoners is in preparation. At the moment I can say that the exchange will be more than 10 people [in exchange] for 10 people. It’s difficult to give any dates yet, as everything is still being worked out," she said.

As reported earlier, the Ukrainian armed forces captured seven militants from the Vostok militant unit near the Donetsk airport. Militants from the local community, a Russian citizen and a Russian professional soldier were among them.


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A total of 150 citizens were evacuated from Debaltseve on Tuesday to territory controlled by the Ukrainian authorities, Deputy Head of the Interior Ministry of the Donetsk region Ilia Kiva wrote on his Facebook page on Tuesday.
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Two women killed by artillery attack on Novotoshkivske, Luhansk rgn
03.02.2015

Two women were killed and a man suffered injuries in an artillery attack on the village of Novotoshkivske in the Popasna district of the Luhansk region, the press service of Luhansk region state administration head Hennadiy Moskal said.

"The town of Novotoshkivske, located in the vicinity of the 29th roadblock on the Bakhmutka [route], has been the target of massive Grad rocket launcher attacks in the past two days. Several dozen shells exploded in the town center. Residential buildings, a school and a shop have been hit directly. Some buildings were razed and burned down and some others suffered serious damage. Two women, aged 63 and 74, died and a [75-year-old] man was injured," the report said.

Ukrainian authorities put the blame on the militants.

Electric power and water supply has been disrupted, and most tenants have moved away. The Novotoshkivske population has depleted from over 2,200 to approximately 400.

Moskal reported the situation of Krymske, several kilometers from the former 31st roadblock, too. He said Grad rocket launchers damaged seven residential buildings there on Monday.

About 80% of the residents have abandoned Krymske and several dozens more are waiting for their chance to flee. They are planned to be evacuated by military vehicles.

"The evacuation of other villages which have found themselves on the frontline is in progress. About 70 villagers were moved from Stakhanovets (a neighborhood of Zolote-3) to Lysychansk by military servicemen yesterday. Only pensioners are left in the village; they are refusing to leave their homes," Moskal said.

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Militants shell Ukrainian positions and residential areas 73 times on February 3 - read on - uatoday.tv

Ukrainian Defence Ministry reports that Russian-backed militants have shelled Ukrainian residential areas and Ukrainian military positions 73 times in the past 24 hours. The heaviest shelling was recorded in the Debaltseve zone. Ukrainian Defence Ministry officials said that according to their analysis Debaltseve remains the main target for militants.

Ukrainian military officials report that Ukrainian forces have not withdrawn from any positions in the past 24 hours and no forces are currently encircled.

According to Ukrainian Defence Ministry figures, 157 militants were killed and 284 wounded on February 2.

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Firing continues in Mariupol - watch on - uatoday.tv
Residents of the village of Chermalyk in Donetsk region have reported the presence of the Kalmius pro-Russia militant group, which includes Russian mercenaries and Cossacks. Residents say the group has fired large calibre weapons over their village on numerous occassions.

Local residents, who have come to presume on themselves for food, said electricity is switched off frequently and that the militants have damaged the local gas line.

Vasyl, Local resident: "We buy some products when it's possible. We made flour and butter by ourselves, bake our own bread."

Operations at the local farm were suspended because of the constant shelling, leaving people without work. Children, however, continue walking to and from school, sometimes finding ordinance in the nearby fields.

Russian-backed militants this week shelled the villages of Talakovka and Pavlopol, located near the port city of Mariupol. The shelling comes just a week after 31 people were killed when grad rockets struck a residential area in Mariupol.

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People walk outside a house, which according to locals was recently damaged by shelling, in Donetsk February 3, 2015.
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A member of the Ukrainian armed forces offers local residents to join people who are boarding a bus and fleeing from military conflict in Debaltseve, February 3, 2015.
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A man walks past the damaged city council building in Debaltseve, February 3, 2015.
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Pro-Russian rebels drive a self-propelled anti-aircraft system Strela-10 in Donetsk February 3, 2015.
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People sit inside a bus before the departure, as they flee due to the military conflict, in Debaltseve, February 3, 2015.
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A member of the Ukrainian armed forces assists local residents onto a bus, to flee the military conflict, in Debaltseve, February 3, 2015.
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A pro-Russian separatist checks a driver's documents in Zhdanivka town, northeast from Donetsk, February 2, 2015.
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A woman stands in her house, which was damaged by recent shelling, in central Donetsk, eastern Ukraine, February 2, 2015.
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A man shows a staircase at a multi-storey block of flats damaged by shelling in Yenakieve town, northeast from Donetsk, February 2, 2015.
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