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U.S. Considers Supplying Arms to Ukraine Forces, Officials Say
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Ukrainian soldiers preparing on Sunday to go to the town of Debaltseve, which came under heavy fire from separatists. CreditManu Brabo/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
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WASHINGTON — With Russian-backed separatists pressing their attacks in Ukraine, NATO’s military commander, Gen. Philip M. Breedlove, now supports providing defensive weapons and equipment to Kiev’s beleaguered forces, and an array of administration and military officials appear to be edging toward that position, American officials said Sunday.

President Obama has made no decisions on providing such lethal assistance. But after a series of striking reversals that Ukraine’s forces have suffered in recent weeks, the Obama administration is taking a fresh look at the question of military aid.

Secretary of State John Kerry, who plans to visit Kiev on Thursday, is open to new discussions about providing lethal assistance, as is Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, officials said. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, who is leaving his post soon, backs sending defensive weapons to the Ukrainian forces.

In recent months, Susan E. Rice, Mr. Obama’s national security adviser, has resisted proposals to provide lethal assistance, several officials said. But one official who is familiar with her views insisted that Ms. Rice was now prepared to reconsider the issue.

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Fearing that the provision of defensive weapons might tempt President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia to raise the stakes, the White House has limited American aid to “non-lethal” items, including body armor, night-vision goggles, first aid kits and engineering equipment.

But the failure of economic sanctions to dissuade Russia from sending heavy weapons and military personnel to eastern Ukraine is pushing the issue of defensive weapons back into discussion.

“Although our focus remains on pursuing a solution through diplomatic means, we are always evaluating other options that will help create space for a negotiated solution to the crisis,” said Bernadette Meehan, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council.

Fueling the broader debate over policy is an independent report to be issued Monday by eight former senior American officials, who urge the United States to send $3 billion in defensive arms and equipment to Ukraine, including anti-armor missiles, reconnaissance drones, armored Humvees and radars that can determine the location of enemy rocket and artillery fire.

Michèle A. Flournoy, a former senior Pentagon official who is a leading candidate to serve as defense secretary if Hillary Rodham Clinton is elected president, joined in preparing the report. Others include James G. Stavridis, a retired admiral who served as the top NATO military commander, and Ivo Daalder, the ambassador to NATO during Mr. Obama’s first term.

“The West needs to bolster deterrence in Ukraine by raising the risks and costs to Russia of any renewed major offensive,” the report says. “That requires providing direct military assistance — in far larger amounts than provided to date and including lethal defensive arms.”

In his State of the Union address last month, Mr. Obama noted that the sanctions imposed by the United States and its allies had hurt the Russian economy.

But American officials acknowledge that Russia has repeatedly violated an agreement, reached in Minsk in September. The agreement called for an immediate cease-fire in Ukraine, the removal of foreign forces and the establishment of monitoring arrangements to ensure that the border between Ukraine and Russia would be respected.

In recent weeks, Russia has shipped a large number of heavy weapons to support the separatists’ offensive in eastern Ukraine, including T-80 and T-72 tanks, multiple-launch rocket systems, artillery and armored personnel carriers, Western officials say.

Some of the weapons are too sophisticated to be used by hastily trained separatists, a Western official said. NATO officials estimate that about 1,000 Russian military and intelligence personnel are supporting the separatist offensive while Ukrainian officials insist that the number is much higher.

Supported by the Russians, the separatists have captured the airport at Donetsk and are pressing to take Debaltseve, a town that sits aside a critical rail junction.

All told, the separatists have captured 500 square kilometers — about 193 square miles — of additional territory in the past four months, NATO says. The assessment of some senior Western officials is that the Kremlin’s goal is to replace the Minsk agreement with an accord that would be more favorable to the Kremlin’s interests and would leave the separatists with a more economically viable enclave.

The administration’s deliberations were described by a range of senior Pentagon, administration and Western officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were talking about internal discussions.

A spokesman for General Breedlove declined to comment on his view on providing defensive weapons, which was disclosed by United States officials privy to confidential discussions.

“General Breedlove has repeatedly stated he supports the pursuit of a diplomatic solution as well as considering practical means of support to the government of Ukraine in its struggle against Russian-backed separatists,” the spokesman, Capt. Gregory L. Hicks of the Navy, said. But a Pentagon official familiar with the views of General Dempsey and Adm. James A. Winnefeld Jr., the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said they believed the issue of defensive weapons should be reconsidered.

“A comprehensive approach is warranted, and we agree that defensive equipment and weapons should be part of that discussion.” the Pentagon official said.

Russian casualties remain an unusually delicate political issue for Mr. Putin, who has denied that Russian troops have been ordered to fight in Ukraine.

The report by Ms. Flournoy and the other former officials argues that the United States and its allies should capitalize on this fact to dissuade the Russians and the separatists from expanding their offensive.

“One of the best ways to deter Russia from supporting the rebels in taking more territory and stepping up the conflict is to increase the cost that the Russians or their surrogates would incur,” Ms. Flournoy said in an interview.

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The current stock of Ukrainian anti-armor missiles, the report notes, is at least two decades old, and most of them are out of commission. So the report recommends that the United States provide the Ukrainian military with light anti-armor missiles, which might include Javelin antitank missiles.

”Providing the Ukrainians with something that can stop an armored assault and that puts at risk Russian or Russian-backed forces that are in armored vehicles, I think, is the most important aspect of this,” she added.

The Obama administration has provided radars that can locate the source of mortars. But the report urges the United States to also provide radars that can pinpoint the location of longer-range rocket and artillery fire. Enemy rocket and artillery attacks account for 70 percent of the Ukrainian military’s casualties, the report says.

Ukraine, the report notes, also needs reconnaissance drones, especially since the Ukrainian military has stopped all flights over eastern Ukraine because of the separatists’ use of antiaircraft missiles supplied by Russia.

The report also urged the United States to provide military communications equipment that cannot be intercepted by Russian intelligence.

Poland, the Baltic States, Canada and Britain, the report says, might also provide defensive weapons if the United States takes the lead.

The report was issued jointly by the Atlantic Council, the Brookings Institution and the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. The other officials who prepared it are Strobe Talbott, who served as deputy secretary of state in the Clinton administration; Charles F. Wald, a retired Air Force general who served as deputy commander of the United States European Command; Jan M. Lodal, a former Pentagon official; and two former ambassadors to Ukraine, John Herbst and Steven Pifer.

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A woman reacts during a funeral ceremony for Ruslan Boburov, a member of self-defence battalion 'Aydar', who was killed in the fighting in Luhansk region of eastern Ukraine yesterday
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Ukrainians attend the funeral ceremony for two servicemen from the pro-regime Aydar volunteer battalion
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Ukrainian soldiers guard a check point near the town of Debaltseve this morning. Fighting today intensified between government and rebel forces for control over a key railway hub in the eastern Ukraine town
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Ukraine's war is getting worse, and not everyone wants to fight
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A Ukrainian policeman embraces a woman during a ceremony in Kharkiv, northeastern Ukrainian, on Jan. 30, 2015, before his deployment to the east of the country. (Sergey Bobok/AFP/Getty Images)
KYIV, Ukraine — Ruslan Kotsaba is someone you’d typically consider a Ukrainian patriot: a journalist in the country’s nationalist-oriented west, he’s participated in pro-democracy protests and regularly rails against official corruption.

So it may seem strange that earlier this month he slammed his country’s war effort against Russian-backed separatists.

“I denounce mobilization [for war],” Kotsaba said in a video posted to YouTube on Jan. 17. “I call on all reasonable adequate people to denounce this mobilization, because this hell, this horror, must be stopped.”

With Ukraine mired in a messy war in the east, authorities here have launched a new wave of conscription aimed at beefing up their fighting forces.

But that may get tougher to do as the war grinds on.

Whether out of frustration with the country’s leaders and their handling of the war — or simply out of a growing fatigue with the nine-month-long conflict — some Ukrainians are turning away from the draft, which was reinstated last year as the crisis in eastern Ukraine deepened.

Local media have reported anti-draft protests and instances of no-shows at local military commissions in several regions.

A presidential adviser even claimed earlier this week that about 37 percent of those called up in one western region, traditionally known for its nationalist convictions, had reportedly fled abroad. In a separate nearby region, almost one in five of those drafted reportedly claimed religious exemptions.

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The trend is likely part of what some sociologists say is a pronounced fear among ordinary Ukrainians that the conflict will intensify, just as it has in recent weeks. More than 5,000 people have been killed, while a September ceasefire has deteriorated into all-out war with no end in sight.

Many are also preoccupied with the dire economic situation.

“More than 90 percent of the population has felt the effects of the economic crisis,” said Yevgeny Kopatko, head of the Research and Branding Group, a pollster in Kyiv. “Society lives with a high level of anxiety.”

Officials are trying to allay fears that widespread draft-dodging is happening — indeed, many regions have reported no such problems. So far, the current wave of mobilization has called up more than 75,000 men, about 60 percent of whom will enter service, President Petro Poroshenko said this week.

Ukrainian men ages 25-60 are eligible for conscription. Preference is given to those with military experience and with particular specializations, such as tank training.

But authorities have also sought to crack down on attempts to avoid conscription. On Friday, Poroshenko issued a decree that includes a provision aimed at regulating foreign travel for those subject to mobilization.

The military has also created a database to keep track of offenders, who face two to five years in prison if found guilty of dodging the draft.

But that punishment apparently fails to deter men like Kotsaba, who as a journalist has reported on the conflict from either side of the line and who, since his video address, has attracted jeers and widespread condemnation as a “traitor.”

Though the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) even threatened to launch a criminal caseagainst him, Kotsaba remains outspoken.

In an interview with GlobalPost, Kotsaba said he objects to fighting in a “civil war,” a hotly disputed term given the amount of Russian support the separatist rebels receive. But his main complaint is that the conflict — officially dubbed an “anti-terrorist operation” — hasn’t been honestly portrayed by the government.

Authorities here have still not formally declared a state of war, despite their regular allegations of Russian military incursions into eastern Ukraine. Critics like Kotsaba say that’s a loophole that provides Poroshenko, whose confectionary company still operates a factory in Russia, more diplomatic wiggle room.

“The point is in the principle: When war is declared, then we don’t trade with Russia, we cut off diplomatic ties, the president removes any business assets he has in Russia,” he said.

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Kotsaba is not alone. Some Ukrainian rights activists have also taken issue with the legal ambiguity of the conflict, arguing that in absence of a clear state of war, conscripts can legally challenge the draft. Others say mobilization is legally applicable in any instances of “armed aggression,” not only when martial law — or a state of war — is formally declared.

Then there’s Russia, which most observers agree has waged a fierce information campaign aimed at tarnishing both the Kyiv government and its anti-separatist campaign in the east.

A curious paradox: While more than 70 percent of the population wants peaceful resolution to the conflict, more than 60 percent also believe it’s necessary to keep fighting.
The Kremlin’s powerful propaganda machine has reported widely on Ukraine’s mobilization in recent days but has regularly dramatized its severity, with reports claiming that conscripts are “desperately trying to evade military service.”

Even Russian President Vladimir Putin voiced his support for draft dodgers. Last week, he proposed a law that would allow military-age Ukrainians to stay in Russia longer, also claiming that “many” Ukrainians are avoiding the draft.

“And they’re doing the right thing, because they’re just pushed out there like cannon fodder, under the bullets,” he said.

Kotsaba himself has come under fire for allegedly playing into the Kremlin's hands — a charge he denies — after giving numerous interviews to the Russian media about his video address and criticism of the war.

Oleksiy Melnyk, a defense analyst at the Razumkov Center think tank in Kyiv, says the draft is a “complicated picture” that’s been exploited for effect by Russian media.

“We shouldn’t rule out that this issue has been targeted by the Russian [side of the] information war, using different channels, sources and techniques,” he said.

Kopatko, the sociologist, agrees the issue is complex and points to a curious paradox: While more than 70 percent of the population wants a peaceful resolution to the conflict, more than 60 percent also believe it’s necessary to keep fighting, according to Research and Branding Group data.

“Social consciousness has gone through a sort of militarization,” Kopatko said. “People are living in another dimension, they look at things differently now.”

Ukraine's war is getting worse, and not everyone wants to fight | GlobalPost
 
On February 1, ATO troops destroy four terrorists’ cannons - Міністерство оборони України

On February 1, ATO troops destroy four terrorists’ cannons
Monday, February 2. DONBAS — According to the ATO press center, the ATO soldiers hold firmly the positions and inflict losses to the enemy. According to preliminary data, on February 1, the rebels of illegal armed formations lost 180 persons and over 240 soldiers were wounded; the ATO forces destroyed four cannons.

Pro-Russian illegal armed formations continue attacks against the ATO positions and communities. The rebels attacked Debaltsevo, Nikishyne, Chernukhine and Zolote.

Near Yunokomunarivsk the enemy’s sniper was working at 9.00 — 9.30 p.m.

Near Leninske the terrorists made attempt to assault the ATO positions but the enemy dropped back.

Terrorists used GRAD against Debaltsevo.

Donetsk direction: the terrorists attacked Vodyane, Tonenke, Opytne, Verkheniotoretske and Novomykhaylivka, Pisky.

The rebels used tank in Stanytsa Luganska.

Mariupil: the terrorists used small arms and grenade launchers.

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Mariupil defenders are ready to act as assigned - Міністерство оборони України
Monday, February 2, MARIUPIL — Ukrainian servicemen defending approaches to Mariupil from the pro-Russia illegal armed formations improve permanently their professional skills during fire training.

“It’s worth mentioning that each fighter has accomplished tasks assigned and has been individually evaluated. The total result proved the Mariupil defenders are ready to act as assigned”, chief instructor summed up.

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The map reflecting the situation in Donbas as of 12.00 on February 2 has been released by the information and analytical center of the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council.
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Refugees are scrambling to escape the heavy fighting in Donetsk Oblast's Debaltseve area.
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more nazi propaganda from @Hindustani78 :coffee:

I am putting news from Ukrainian, Russian, reuters websites

"On May 9, there is planned a large-scale amnesty in Russia to release convicts, who will join the ranks of the militants of the Donetsk People’s Republic fighting against Ukraine," Lubkivsky said, adding that this was an indication that Russia has no plans to stop its aggression in a well-prepared war against Ukraine.
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Donbas Counts 92 Militia, 242 Civilians Dead in January Clashes in Ukraine / Sputnik International

DONETSK, February 2 (Sputnik) — At least 92 pro-independence militiamen and 242 civilians were killed as a result of renewed fighting in eastern Ukraine in January, leaders of self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics (DPR and LPR) said Monday.

"In January, we lost 242 civilians killed and 273 injured, 434 buildings were destroyed, 92 members of armed militia were killed and 411 wounded," the statement said.
 
I am putting news from Ukrainian, Russian, reuters websites
just kidding man, don't take it personally.

reuters can be a bit slanted at times too but they're mostly ok, but this 'ukrinform' is just as bad as EuromaidanPR.

anyway, I've noticed you only post news, not views... what are your personal views on Sergey Aksyonov being part of the official delegation to visit India with Putin in December ?
 
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