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And in comes another idiot, trying to teach things he knows f uck about.
So the latest development is that you shifted Swizerland up. Now its part of the Nordic countries.

First of all learn something yourself then come and lecture others.
The f ucking idiot here is YOU, moron. I wonder what is the closest you ever f ucking come to the military other playing f ucking video games. US soldiers are 'ill equipped' just because they happened to wear woodland camo in the desert ? Only f ucking idiots would say that. Go back to your crib, little boy.
 
A Russian T-72 tank without a license plate and coming from Donetsk airport area moves along a snow-covered avenue in the district of Kyivsky in Donetsk, on Nov. 26.
Stop polluting this topic with nonsense ! Ukrainian army has T-72 tanks in its arsenal plus they have bought some T-72 some time ago from Hungary too. Some facts unlike "facts" of certain posters.
- A law has been changed in Rada to allow unlimited power of commanders over soldiers.
- A law has been changed giving "right" to Ukrainian forces to confiscate any vehicles to satisfy "needs" of so-called ATO.
- Rada MPs increased their salaries to slightly over 12 000 hryvnias in time when there are people who have not received salaries for months.
- A law has been changed and military service of all present and future mobilized soldiers has been increased to 18 months
-Regional military centers already complaining people doing their bests to avoid military services and get away from the very questionable honor to fall victims of 4th mobilization - going abroad,going to Kiev,going to Russia to work or live as " refugees"
-Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk hospitals are full with wounded "heroes" from battles from last few days.
Joke is already running - urgently needs to be find another spot to "utilize" unwanted and unneeded from both sides Right Sector,OUN,UPA,"volunteer battalions " etc after battle of airport is almost over.Some of the Ukrainian "patriots" finally is waking up -" Losses are monstrous" , " This will severely affect demographic of Ukraine " ...too late I can say damage has been done.Running from months joke - " USA is ready to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian" nicely fit the current situation with dead and wounded especially from west-backed Kiev "freedom fighters".
 
The f ucking idiot here is YOU, moron. I wonder what is the closest you ever f ucking come to the military other playing f ucking video games. US soldiers are 'ill equipped' just because they happened to wear woodland camo in the desert ? Only f ucking idiots would say that. Go back to your crib, little boy.
Another f ucking idiot who doesn't know any shit and still insists on transferring Switzerland north.
Before writing another word get yourself a map and look for Switzerland, hopefully you will be able to locate it and will save you from embarassing yourself another time. Hint: On the borde with France. LOL
You remind of something actually. Watch this Video, sounds a lot like your arguments.
 
Another f ucking idiot who doesn't know any shit and still insists on transferring Switzerland north.
Before writing another word get yourself a map and look for Switzerland, hopefully you will be able to locate it and will save you from embarassing yourself another time. Hint: On the borde with France. LOL
You remind of something actually. Watch this Video, sounds a lot like your arguments.
You think I give a sh it where Switzerland is located ? Why do Russian soldiers wears woodland style camo when so much of their country is covered in snow, moron ?
 
Look , don't be angry with me. I am trying to help you here, so that you won't embarras yourself like this again.
Now go get a map, you can start by first locating the US and then work your way to Europe. It will help you in the future Miss South Carolina, I mean @gambit .
 
@gambit relax man..

Call u in so you can laugh at that dude, not to get pissed off...

Saw his comment, laugh a little lol
 
The junta resumed shelling of residential areas.
 
You think I give a sh it where Switzerland is located ? Why do Russian soldiers wears woodland style camo when so much of their country is covered in snow, moron ?


There is no snow in the southern parts of Russia.
 
Terrorists found a large number of M16 / M4 assault rifles left behind by coup loyalists at the airport.


Terrorists strike back. Heavy artillery pound coup loyalists.

 
The New Ukraine Is Run by Rogues, Sexpots, Warlords, Lunatics and Oligarchs

Prominent Ukrainian MP denounces Obama's weakness, calls him a 'shot-down pilot'

By Mikhail Klikushin

January 14, 2015 "ICH" - "NYO" - There were times in Ukraine’s recent history when even the country’s military brass were kneeling before the U.S. Literally. In June 2013, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine John Tefft received the saber of the Ukrainian Cossack in the city of Kherson from a kneeling Ukrainian high-rank military official. Mr. Tefft nowadays is serving the country as an Ambassador to Russia where no such honors are even imaginable.

But that was then—a previous regime.

On the surface, today’s Ukraine is much more favorably disposed toward everything Western and everything American because of the exciting wind of transformations that swept through the Ukrainian political landscape last year. Its political culture looks modern, attractive, refined and European. For example, at the end of last year a new law was passed that allowed former citizens of other countries to participate in Ukrainian politics and even the government, in case they denounce their former citizenships. The reason given was the fight with notorious Ukrainian corruption. Apparently, in a country of more than 40 million people, Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk (called “Rabbit” by his citizens) couldn’t find a dozen or so native-born yet not corrupt professionals for his government.

Now three former foreigners—ex-American Natalia Yaresko (Minister for Finance), ex-Lithuanian Aivaras Abromavičius (Minister For Economy and Trade) and ex-Georgian Alexander Kvitashvili (Minister for Public Health)—are firmly established in their new cabinets. They are just the beginning. They gave up their U.S. and European passports with only two benefits in return: a $200-a-month salary and the chance to build a prosperous new Ukraine.

In a strange twist of fate, the Ukrainian ministers during their meetings now have to speak hated Russian—former foreigners do not speak Ukrainian well enough and locals do not speak English at the level necessary for complicated discussions on how to save a Ukraine economy that is disappearing before their eyes.

The problems they are facing are overwhelming. The new minister for economy, Mr. Abromavičius, knows that the country is in fact bankrupt. “To expect that we are going to produce real as opposed to declarative incentive programs is unrealistic,” he declared. In other words, the new Ukrainian budget is nothing but a piece of paper. But without this piece of paper there will be no new money from the European Bank and the IMF.
The first steps he has taken so far are controversial.



The new minister for economy appointed former Estonian Jaanika Merilo as his advisor on foreign investments and improving the business climate in Ukraine. Directly after her appointment, Ms. Merilo posted a series of candid images that display her long legs, plump lips and prominent cleavage, including some shots in which she emulates movie scenes.

On January 5, the new minister for economy appointed former Estonian Jaanika Merilo—a young dark-haired beauty—as his advisor on foreign investments, improvement of business climate in Ukraine, coordination of international programs and so on. Directly after her appointment, the young lady put online not her resume or a program for Ukrainian financial stabilization but a series of candid shots that display her long legs, plump lips and prominent cleavage. In some shots, she places a knife to her lips a la Angelina Jolie and sits on the chair a la Sharon Stone.

Ms. Merilo, too, forfeited her European passport in the hope of a better future for her new Motherland.

By law, double citizenship is not permitted for a Ukrainian governmental official, but, as often happens in Ukraine, for some there is always another way around. The governor of Zaporozhe region, oligarch Igor Kolomoisky, for example, has three citizenships.

As exhilarating winds of change swept through the Ukrainian government, Western newspapers giddily reported the fact that after the last elections for the first time in decades there would be no Communists in the Ukrainian Parliament.

But that means all possible organized opposition to the current president and prime minister is gone.

Instead, the new Rada has a big group of parliamentarians of very uncertain political loyalties and even dubious mental state—former warlords and street activists who distinguished themselves during street fights and tire burnings.

These government rookies are sometimes turning to strange ways of self-promotion, now within the walls of the Parliament.

One new face in the Rada—leader of the Right Sector ultra-nationalist party and former warlord Dmytro Yarosh—admitted in a January interview with Ukrainian TV that he caresses a real hand grenade in his pocket while inside the Rada. Because he is MP, the security personnel has no right to check his pockets. They just ask if he has anything dangerous on his person and he says no. The reason to have a hand grenade on his body is that there are too many enemies of Ukraine within the MP crowding him during the voting process. He is not afraid, of course. But when the time comes, he will use this grenade and with a bit of luck he will take a lot of them with him if he dies.



Former warlord Dmytro Yarosh is the leader of the ultra-nationalist party Right Sector and now an MP. He told Ukrainian TV that he caresses a real hand grenade in his pocket while serving inside the Rada
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Ukrainian MPs Yuri Beryoza and Andrei Levus, also former warlords and members of radical parties, became notorious last December after publicly applauding the terrorist attack in the Russian city of Grozny—an attack in which 14 policemen were killed. “On our eastern borders our brothers are coming out from under Russia’s power. It’s normal. These are the allies of Ukraine,” said Mr. Beryoza. This is the same fellow who had earlier promised that the Ukrainian army would soon take Moscow. Andrei Levus proposed Russia withdraw all of her “punishers” from the “People’s Republic of Ichkeria” (i.e. Chechnya) immediately.

Another former warlord, former member of social-national party and today’s Ukrainian MP Igor Mosiychuk said to the journalists that Ukraine, “being in the state of war, must stimulate the opening of the second front in the Caucuses, in Middle Asia” against Russia. In the scandalous video, which has been viewed 2.5 million times, he unloaded an assault rifle into the portrait of the Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov ranting, “Ramzan, you have sent your dogs, traitors into our land. We have been killing them here and we will come after you. We will come after you to Grozny. We will help our brothers to free Ichkeria from such dogs like you. Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the free Ichkeria!”

Despite this bravado, the personal security for all three MPs had to be increased—at high cost to the cash-starved country—after the Chechen leader promised to bring them to justice in Russia for incitement of terrorism.

While it may be tempting to dismiss these words as the ravings of former warlords who have been traumatized by war, worrisome shifts of the political mindset have been appearing in the mainstream of the Ukrainian political establishment.

Anton Geraschenko is the poster boy of the next generation of Ukrainian politicians. He holds an important position as the advisor to the minister for internal affairs, executing the role of the Ministry’s spokesman. This 36-year-old, well-educated member of the Parliament is a familiar face on TV, and a darling of the nation’s political talk shows. He is well-spoken and gives elaborate interviews on every political subject to all major Ukrainian newspapers.

Last Friday, while on his trip to the U.S., Mr. Gerashchenko published two controversial posts on his Facebook page, which could be considered very revealing from the perspective of the changing mood in the Ukrainian political class toward the United States.

In the first, Mr. Gerashchenko praised a George Soros article in which the 84-year-old financier is “flying high” like an eagle “over the pettiness of Obama and other political dwarfs.” Mr. Gerashchenko blamed Mr. Obama and other “political dwarfs” for not realizing that “Putin’s actions towards Ukraine are the tectonic shifts in the world history, much bigger in scale than those that were the results of the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001 in New York and Washington.” According to Mr. Gerashchenko, George Soros lost all hope that “Barack Obama will give a chance to the people of the United States to give large-scale economical assistance to the people of Ukraine, not the miserable hand-outs that have been ten times less than the help that was given to Iraq or Afghanistan.” Mr. Gerashchenko vented his frustration at Mr. Obama for not giving Ukraine money on the scale of the Marshall Plan or the aid packages that were given to rebuild Japan after WWII or South Korea after the Korean War.



Prominent Ukrainian lawmaker Anton Gerashchenko’s Facebook posts have created a stir, downplaying Sept. 11 and lobbing insults at President Obama.


According to his post, Mr. Gerashchenko believes that the United States has the obligation to give to the Ukraine enough money so the people of “occupied Crimea and Donbass in a maximum of three or five years would dig tunnels and destroy walls and barbed-wire fences, bursting into the territory of prosperous Free Ukraine … looking for jobs, social assistance, high quality of living – as a counterweight to the Mordor which the Russian Federation will definitely have become” (‘total catastrophe’) under the leadership of “Putler.” (“Putler” being ‘Putin’ and ‘Hitler’ combined into one word—a popular new term among Ukraine’s new political class.)

The Facebook post by the young Ukrainian politician created an uproar in both Ukraine and Russia—but Western media preferred to look the other way.

Inspired by his sudden notoriety, Mr. Gerashchenko posted one more rant on the same subject later on the same day in which he elaborated his ideas even farther.

“Yes, Obama is a political dwarf because it looks like he does not grasp the full scale the consequences of Putin’s capture of Crimea. Because last spring and in the beginning of last summer Obama took the ‘ostrich’s position’ and preferred not to see the Putin’s aggression on the continental part of the Ukraine. In the U.S.A., Barack Obama for his indecisive actions and lost positions in foreign politics is called ‘lame duck’ which is analogous to our expression ‘shot-down pilot’. And this name is well deserved. Barack Obama will never be put in the same row with such great U.S. Presidents as Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan. And even with Bill Clinton …”

In his second post Mr. Gerashchenko went on to say that he was expressing not only his own feelings but the attitude of a significant part of the Ukrainian population, “which considers Obama’s actions unworthy of the leader of the most powerful nation in the world, the one that made Ukraine give up its nuclear status … Instead of decisive actions, from March on we have seen nothing but declarations that the White House is ‘very concerned,’ expresses its concerns’ and also ‘deeply worried’ by the situation in our country.”

By Mr. Gerashchenko’s light, President Putin’s entire operation in Crimea and Donbass was possible only because Mr. Putin knew that Mr. Obama would never risk any strong moves to stop him. According to this star of Ukrainian politics, America gave “only” $1 billion to Ukraine but Mr. Gerashchenko and the like view this as a pittance. Instead, they want a big slice of the hundreds of billions that the U.S. has spent on war from 2001-2014 in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan.

These revealing and troubling posts were deleted within hours on the same day they appeared. Deleted or not, Mr. Gerashchenko, as well as some significant number of Ukrainian politicians, rant at Mr. Obama for not doing what George Soros wants him to do—immediately spend $50 billion of U.S. and E.U. taxpayers’ money on building an immediate paradise in Ukraine. George Soros’ motives could be pragmatic, of course. Some evil tongues have been saying that the financier’s arguments for the bailout of a falling Ukrainian economy by the U.S. and European taxpayers have roots not in his love for freedom around the world. They say that he has a lot of the Ukrainian government’s bonds in his portfolio and in the case of Ukraine’s national default he will lose billions.



Screencap of Anton Gerashchenko’s Facebook post. (Facebook)


Ironically, the biggest winner of a significant and prompt infusion of Western money into Ukraine would be the hated “Putler.” Just last week, Russia, strapped for cash itself as the ruble plummets, started to spread rumors that it is considering demanding early repayment of its $3 billion 2014 loan to Ukraine because the conditions of the loan demand such a step in the event that the national debt of Ukraine exceeds 60 percent of its GDP. By now the national debt of Ukraine is around 70 percent of its GDP and the prognosis is that by the end of this year it will be around 90 percent of its GDP. If any significant amount of money is given to Ukraine, Russia will immediately start sucking out a big part of it as Ukrainian gas and other energy bills will finally be paid on time … to Russia.

Mr. Gerashchenko’s scandalous FB posts are gone, but the questions raised by them still remain. Will the Ukrainian political class turn away from the U.S. and the West if the generosity of the U.S. taxpayers does not match the nebulous expectations of the reformers in the Ukrainian government? Are the Ukrainians ready to rely mostly on themselves on the long and painful journey of building their own independent nation? Amid all the reform talk and the importing of attractive foreign “advisors,” one cannot but wonder if it’s nothing more than camouflage for the same old Ukrainian game—to convince the world to give, as Mr. Gerashchenko’s first Facebook post put it, just one more “large-scale economical assistance.”

 The New Ukraine Is Run by Rogues, Sexpots, Warlords, Lunatics and
Oligarchs :Â Information Clearing House - ICH
 
Look , don't be angry with me. I am trying to help you here, so that you won't embarras yourself like this again.
Now go get a map, you can start by first locating the US and then work your way to Europe. It will help you in the future Miss South Carolina, I mean @gambit .
Angry at you ? :lol:

You ain't worth it, kid. It is YOU and your kind who seems to be perpetually angry at US and desperate to grasp at any straw to criticize US, no matter how petty. The US soldier is 'ill equipped' just because he wears woodland camo in the desert. :rolleyes:

Yeah...You are one angry little boy.
 
Russia can solve this crisis by taking over Ukraine

Maybe Russia can solve the Indian-Pakistan problem by taking over Pakistan??

meanwhile this happened

Ukraine says tank offensive pushing rebels from airport

Donetsk (Ukraine) (AFP) - Ukraine rushed tanks to the front lines and claimed Sunday to have cleared pro-Russian rebels from most of Donetsk airport after days of intense fighting, with heavy shelling shaking the key eastern city.


As fighting wracked the country's war-torn east, thousands of people held a common prayer and peace march in the capital Kiev attended by President Petro Poroshenko, who vowed the country would not yield to rebels he says have been backed by Russian troops and weapons.

At least 14 people were killed, including four soldiers, houses were destroyed and electricity was cut for many homes and businesses as explosions repeatedly ripped through parts of the Donetsk region at the weekend.
Most of the blasts rang out from the area surrounding Donetsk airport northwest of the city as the army and rebels battled for control of the blackened and wrecked site hit by months of on-off clashes.

But some were also heard closer to the city centre, and Donetsk officials reported "massive damage to housing stock, infrastructure and communications of the city". At least 10 civilians were reported killed at various locations, including two children.

With rebels at one point claiming to control the airport, about 10 Ukrainian tanks rumbled across the snow toward the front lines on Saturday to reinforce soldiers desperately trying to defend it, local television showed.

The army's aim was to push the rebels back and open a corridor to evacuate the wounded, with the insurgents having earlier unleashed a barrage of heavy artillery fire at the airport, including from at least one tank.
Intense clashes followed, and residents of the northwestern area of the city said neighbourhoods had also been hit by shelling.

Ukraine's military claimed on Sunday afternoon to have cleared out most of the airport, but there was no independent verification of their account, with journalists unable to approach the facility.

"In order to transmit our soldiers all the necessary equipment, ammunition, and to evacuate them, a massive operation was decided upon, which was successful," military spokesman Andriy Lysenko told a briefing.
"We managed to almost completely clean up the territory of the airport."

Public transport shut down and stores closed in parts of the city on Sunday.

"All night, shells flew over our house," said Margarita, 24, a resident of the city's northwest. "This morning windows broke from the trembling -- very scary."

Another resident a couple kilometres from the airport said a children's hospital had been damaged.
The military said Sunday four more soldiers had been killed and 32 wounded.

- Truce in tatters -

The common prayer and peace march in Kiev was attended by several thousand people, and Poroshenko spoke at Independence Square, the epicentre of protests that forced out Russian-backed president Viktor Yanukovych last year.

He spoke of the victims of last week's rocket strike near a commuter bus in Volnovakha that killed 13 people, the worst single loss of civilian life since a September truce.

"We will win in our struggle for peace," Poroshenko said. "We will not give up and shred Ukrainian land."
Marchers held Ukrainian flags and signs reading "Je suis Volnovakha," an imitation of the rallying cry used in the wake of the attack on the Charlie Hebdo satirical newspaper in Paris.

The recent upsurge in violence centred around Donetsk airport has left in tatters the often violated September truce, which was followed by another accord in December.

Meanwhile, negotiations aimed at bringing peace have stalled, with a contact group of representatives from Russia, Ukraine and the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe, along with rebel leaders, postponing talks that were due to take place last Friday in Minsk.

A summit that Poroshenko has been seeking to organise with the leaders of Russia, France and Germany has also been put off.

The conflict that broke out in Ukraine's eastern industrial heartland in April 2014 has left more than 4,800 people dead.

Ukraine and Western nations say Russia has supported the rebels with troops and weapons, charges Moscow strongly denies despite witness claims to the contrary.

On Sunday, a spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin was quoted by Russian news agencies as saying the Kremlin was "extremely concerned about the latest developments."

"The bombardments of residential areas have resumed in Donetsk and people are dying once more," Dmitry Peskov was quoted as saying.

He also said Putin had sent a letter to Poroshenko overnight Thursday to Friday proposing a "concrete plan for the withdrawal of heavy artillery." He claimed Kiev had rejected the plan and did not make a counter-offer.
Russia is under heavy sanctions from the West over its actions in Ukraine, and the UN Security Council plans to meet on Wednesday to discuss the flareup of violence.

Ukraine says tank offensive pushing rebels from airport - Yahoo!7
 
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