Civil war in Ukraine: News & discussion

[Hindustani78]

World Bank OKs USD 378.4 M Loan for Power Sector Upgrades in Ukraine - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency

The World Bank’s Board of Executive Directors approved Monday a USD 378.425 M loan for the development of Ukraine’s energy sector.

The sum was allocated to a project aimed at improving the reliability of Ukraine’s power transmission system and supporting the implementation of the Wholesale Electricity Market in the country, according to a media statement of the World Bank.

By backing the so-called Second Power Transmission Project, the Bank seeks to step up support for energy sector reforms in Ukraine.

The project includes a USD 48.425 M loan provided by the Clean Technology Fund (CTF), which will be used to assist Ukrenergo in the design and installation of the next generation of modern communications, grid management, and control systems, which will enable large-scale integration of wind and solar energy resources and improve management and operation of the transmission network.

In addition, the project provides USD 2.5 M of institutional support to Ukraine’s Ministry of Energy and Coal Industry for the implementation of energy sector reforms in line with its commitments within the Energy Community and the EU Association Agreement.

This new project is part of the World Bank Group’s overall assistance to Ukraine announced in March 2014. The Bank Group has pledged up to USD 3.5 B of new lending for Ukraine in 2014, of which over USD 2.5 B has already been provided.
The World Bank has been providing support for energy sector reforms in Ukraine since 2004.

The main objectives of these reforms are to: provide investments for energy infrastructure; improve the safety and reliability of the power supply; contribute to the uninterrupted operation of the Ukrainian energy market; and support Ukraine in its legislative, institutional, and technical harmonization of the energy sector with the European Union’s (EU) Internal Energy Market.

The Second Power Transmission Project, or PTP2, contributes to providing a strategic framework for the development of Ukraine’s power sector in a sustainable manner.

 

[Superboy]

Its seems very less area just some districts.

Maybe. But it's what Ukraine can't afford to lose. They taunt oh look the biggest country in Europe can't beat some rag tags. Russia fought two brutal wars to get back Chechnya and that's a pretty small place, much smaller than what rebels have in Donbas.

 

[Hindustani78]

If both are combine then its almost size of Chechnya. Chechnya total area is 17,300 km2 (6,700 sq mi), where as Donetsk total area is 8,436 km2 , Luhansk total area is 8,597 km2 . Ukrainian forces have retake many areas back under its control . this map is of October 5 2014.

 

[Superboy]

If both are combine then its almost size of Chechnya. Chechnya total area is 17,300 km2 (6,700 sq mi), where as Donetsk total area is 8,436 km2 , Luhansk total area is 8,597 km2 . Ukrainian forces have retake many areas back under its control . this map is of October 5 2014.

More than 10,000 Russian soldiers died taking back Chechnya. Rebel held Donbas has more than twice the population of Chechnya. How many Ukrainian soldiers do you think have to die to take back that place?

BTW, do you have the original source of that picture? Many thanks for the find. I'm surprised given the war going on, someone could count territorial size right down to the square kilometer

 

[Hindustani78]

More than 10,000 Russian soldiers died taking back Chechnya. Rebel held Donbas has more than twice the population of Chechnya. How many Ukrainian soldiers do you think have to die to take back that place?

BTW, do you have the original source of that picture? Many thanks for the find. I'm surprised given the war going on, someone could count territorial size right down to the square kilometer

According to Kyiv Post , Dec. 13, 2014
At least 1,266 soldiers killed in Russia’s war against Ukraine
Ukraine has lost at least 192 servicemen since Sept. 5, when a Minsk cease-fire was was initially signed by all sides.

According to Ukrainian Defense ministry loses 917 men killed, 3,318 wounded in Donbas fighting till 15 December 2014
Ukrainian Defense Ministry loses 917 men killed, 3,318 wounded in Donbas fighting
No casualties among military over 24 hours| Ukrinform

KYIV, December 18 /Ukrinform/. A volunteer from Kyiv region has been killed after an unmanned aerial vehicle exploded at the Yavoriv firing ground in Lviv region early on Thursday, the Western Regional Media Center of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry has told an Ukrinform correspondent.
Drone explosion kills volunteer in Lviv region| Ukrinform


19 December 2014
"Five Ukrainian soldiers have been killed and seven more have sustained injuries in the anti-terrorist operation zone over the past 24 hours," he said.
Five Ukrainian servicemen killed over past 24 hours| Ukrinform




The map that reflects the situation in Donbas as of 12.00 on December 20 has been released by the information and analytical center of the National Security and Defense Council.

 

[Superboy]

I don't think Ukraine can take back Donbas even if Ukraine is prepared to sacrifice 100,000 soldiers. Because if Ukraine launches offensive, then that could draw Russia into war, which Ukraine has no chance against.

 

[Hindustani78]

I don't think Ukraine can take back Donbas even if Ukraine is prepared to sacrifice 100,000 soldiers. Because if Ukraine launches offensive, then that could draw Russia into war, which Ukraine has no chance against.

Sanctions are placed on Russian Federation and its affecting the economy where as Ukraine is getting funds from all the Eu and NATO countries to over come war damages and even World bank is giving money for electricity sector.

I think Ukrainian military has been successful in regaining more land.Counting area is not so hard just districts have to add and count.

 

[Superboy]

Sanctions are placed on Russian Federation and its affecting the economy where as Ukraine is getting funds from all the Eu and NATO countries to over come war damages and even World bank is giving money for electricity sector.

I think Ukrainian military has been successful in regaining more land.Counting area is not so hard just districts have to add and count.

Were you the one who counted up the areas in sq km? I would have thought some districts are split between Ukraine and New Russia. Anyhoo, the number looks close enough. Donbas has a total area of 53,000 sq km.

Donetsk Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Luhansk Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As I said, sanctions mean nothing. Economy is fake nowadays. Nothing but a digital number in a digital bank account.

 

[Superboy]

@Hindustani78

Do you reckon Ukraine can conquer New Russia? Ukraine is 559,000 sq km 36 million people New Russia is 17,000 sq km 3 million people. The entire Arab alliance was not able to conquer Israel despite huge arms from Russia, Arab alliance 13 million sq km Israel 20,000 sq km, Arab alliance billions of people Israel 2 to 3 million people back then.

 

[vostok]

Militiamen and Grem Phillips

 

[Hindustani78]

@Hindustani78

Do you reckon Ukraine can conquer New Russia? Ukraine is 559,000 sq km 36 million people New Russia is 17,000 sq km 3 million people. The entire Arab alliance was not able to conquer Israel despite huge arms from Russia, Arab alliance 13 million sq km Israel 20,000 sq km, Arab alliance billions of people Israel 2 to 3 million people back then.

You really give very wrong and strange examples. Arab countries and Palestinians do accept existence of state of Israel on 1967 borders and that's why talks are being held and this is the reason that EU, Russia, United States and UN members all understand that Arabs are not on the wrong side.

Were you the one who counted up the areas in sq km? I would have thought some districts are split between Ukraine and New Russia. Anyhoo, the number looks close enough. Donbas has a total area of 53,000 sq km.

Donetsk Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Luhansk Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As I said, sanctions mean nothing. Economy is fake nowadays. Nothing but a digital number in a digital bank account.

I have try to show how much land is under the control of Separatists backed by the Russian Federation forces .

Ukrainian soldiers man the frontline outside the eastern Ukrainian city of Debaltseve, Donetsk region, on December 24,2014. A new round of talks aimed at ending a protracted Moscow-backed separatist uprising in eastern Ukraine got underway in the Belarussian capital Minsk, a foreign ministry spokesman said. AFP PHOTO/ SERGEI SUPINSKY

 

[Superboy]

NSDC posts a map that doesn't change every single day. Don't people take Christmas vacation in Ukraine?

 

[Hindustani78]

Explosion hits moving freight train on Odesa railway - read on - uatoday.tv
Dec. 25, 2014

An explosion occurred near a passing freight train in Odesa region leaving a meter-wide crater beside the tracks

The explosion occurred as the freight train was passing near Zastava One station in Odesa. No one was hurt in the incident.

"The train was not derailed," the press service of Interior Ministry reported.

"Rail ties and the rails were damaged as a result of explosion. According to preliminary inquiries, some unidentified people left an explosive device on the tracks."

A team of experts is now working at the site of the blast.

This is the second bomb blast in Odesa in less than 24 hours. On Tuesday night a car was damaged in central Odesa when an unidentified person threw an explosive device underneath it.

Explosion hit a freight train in Odesa region, on Wednesday, Dec. 24

Another bomb blast in Kharkiv, wall destroyed, windows smashed : UNIAN news
25.12.2014

Another unexplained explosion has hit a Ukrainian city, this time Kharkiv, according to online news service IT Sector Kharkiv.

The blast rocked the Azhur furniture studio on Rymarska Street at 0100 early on Thursday morning, IT Sector reported.

Although no one was injured by the explosion, the blast was powerful enough to demolish part of a wall and blow out windows in the building.

According to the military-patriotic organization Shidniy Korpus, the Azhur furniture studio belongs to a pro-Ukrainian activist.

Ukraine has seen a series of unexplained explosions in some cities in recent weeks, as well as bomb threats in the capital Kyiv.

On Tuesday and Wednesday there were explosions in Odesa: in the first incident a small explosive device was thrown under a car, slightly damaging the vehicle when the device detonated, and in the second a blast that went off near an Odesa train station as a freight train passed left a meter-wide crater and some damage to track.

 

[Galad]

Meanwhile in Ukraine where black-outs are already regular.Coal shafts,manufacturing plants,kindergartens,schools,universities,houses and flats "enjoying" hours long with no electricity because power plants going 1 by 1 of-line.There is one power plant working at over 80% capacity with no coal problems owned by richest man in Ukraine -R.Akhmetov.Entire capacity of over 1,4 gigawatts is being sold to EU.Akhmetov is making money while rest of Ukraine is staying with no electricity regularly and for hours.And of course Porky plants never have problems with electricity.

 

[Hindustani78]

NSDC posts a map that doesn't change every single day. Don't people take Christmas vacation in Ukraine?

I think people here are afraid whenever some big events comes specially Olympics and festivals

Beijing Olympics events in Georgia , Sochi Olympics events in Crimea, Ukraine.

and on the eve of Christmas events in Mariupol, Kharkiv and Odesa.

Interior minister's advisor says Kharkiv, Odesa explosions aim at escalating tensions in Ukraine

Grenade thrown at parliamentarians in Kyiv demonstrates growing terrorist threat to Ukraine – Turchynov
As reported, an unknown man hurled a grenade in the direction of a group of Ukrainian parliamentarians outside a hotel in Kyiv late on Wednesday, the Kyiv department of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry reported on Thursday.