CIA declassified documents Air War 1971 - PAF v IAF

[Robbie]

Hangor didn't had bigger role to play than Ghazi.

The course of 1971 war would have been different in my opinion

1. Had PNS Ghazi not met the accident off the coast of Visakhapatnam.
2. Had Tejgaon not been neutralised.
3. Had Gen Niazi not decided to surrender despite having 20k to defend Dhaka.

PNS Ghazi had bigger role to play. Had it not met the accident it could had stopped the Naval Blockade of East Pakistan. Indians would have thought twice before bringing in INS Vikrant. Remember it was the same submarine used for Mumbai blockade in 1965.

Despite the heroics had PAF been able to secure Tejgoan for another week, Indian advance would have slowed considerably giving PA air cover and time for UN intervention.

Although East Pakistan was a lost cause, but had Gen Niazi decided to defend Dhaka with all remaining forces. A UN brokered withdrawal of Pakistan Army could have been negotiated thus avoiding surrender. Remember diplomacy takes time.

Despite all odds there is no denying of the fact that Pakistani forces put up an exceptional fight. Truth is India didn't win a war, all it did was to put an end date to a civil war.

Pakistanis seem to perform all kinds of mental gymnastics depending on the audience.

To give comfort to each other they say India didn't win war it was putting an end date to civil war.
To give hate to Bangladeshis they say that Bangladeshis would have been able to do nothing had the Indians not showed up.

Amusing.

 

[Jackdaws]

you speak for all Indians or yourself only?

In democratic countries, one only speaks for oneself. Happy to educate.

Pakistanis seem to perform all kinds of mental gymnastics depending on the audience.

To give comfort to each other they say India didn't win war it was putting an end date to civil war.
To give hate to Bangladeshis they say that Bangladeshis would have been able to do nothing had the Indians not showed up.

Amusing.

Delusional to the next level. Imagine celebrating a war they lost.

 

[undercover JIX]

In democratic countries, one only speaks for oneself. Happy to educate.

true,
But India is under a dictatorship.

 

[Jackdaws]

true,
But India is under a dictatorship.

That may be the narrative parroted in a military ruled state. In the real word, in the last rankings - India was 51 on the democracy index. Pakistan wasn't even in the top 100.

 

[undercover JIX]

That may be the narrative parroted in a military ruled state. In the real word, in the last rankings - India was 51 on the democracy index. Pakistan wasn't even in the top 100.

in the same real world, Modi is designated terrorist, only have the freedom to travel because lynching mobs like yourself elected him as PM....

 

[Aamir Hussain]

If a delusional state of mind needs a definition and an example then maybe the best example can be the shooting down of a PAF F-16 by IAF last year! The whole country is in a delusional state of mind and believes in the cock and bull yarn spun by the media fed by the "Democratic" Government even when US (Who happens to be the latest bed fellow of India) confirmed that all F-16's in PAF are accounted for!

 

[Jackdaws]

in the same real world, Modi is designated terrorist, only have the freedom to travel because lynching mobs like yourself elected him as PM....

Designated terrorist by whom?

 

[undercover JIX]

Designated terrorist by whom?

suddenly brain stooped working?

 

[Jackdaws]

If a delusional state of mind needs a definition and an example then maybe the best example can be the shooting down of a PAF F-16 by IAF last year! The whole country is in a delusional state of mind and believes in the cock and bull yarn spun by the media fed by the "Democratic" Government even when US (Who happens to be the latest bed fellow of India) confirmed that all F-16's in PAF are accounted for!

Lol. Sure. Except the US Defense Department said it had not conducted any such count of the F16s, Foreign Policy's report notwithstanding. Talk about delusions.

suddenly brain stooped working?

Designated by whom?

 

[iLION12345_1]

Lol. Sure. Except the US Defense Department said it had not conducted any such count of the F16s, Foreign Policy's report notwithstanding. Talk about delusions.



Designated by whom?

Indians will never get over this, such delusion. The US DoD never said it didn’t conduct a count. No news channels except Indian ones reported it and there was no official source given, in fact if you go to the pentagons/DoDs website, go to the apparent date where the DoD said that, there are no press releases at all. Now if only Indians stopped pulling things out of their ***. Besides, who do you think is more trustworthy? An official pentagon press correspondent? Or Indians? Lmao. Good try as always.

 

[Jackdaws]

Indians will never get over this, such delusion. The US DoD never said it didn’t conduct a count. No news channels except Indian ones reported it and there was no official source given, in fact if you go to the pentagons/DoDs website, go to the apparent date where the DoD said that, there are no press releases at all. Now if only Indians stopped pulling things out of their ***. Besides, who do you think is more trustworthy? An official pentagon press correspondent? Or Indians? Lmao. Good try as always.

Official Pentagon Press correspondant "invited" by Pakistan. Yes, sure. Makes sense.

 

[iLION12345_1]

Official Pentagon Press correspondant "invited" by Pakistan. Yes, sure. Makes sense.

I like how you completely dodged my question and again mentioned the person who probably has more credibility worldwide than all of the Indian media combined as the issue. Invited by Pakistan or not, she’s a pentagon press correspondent. Not an Indian Or Pakistani journalist. On the other hand you tout foreign journalists payed by india as their words were those of god. Nice try mate, but you will always fall flat on your face. Delusion will remain delusion, lies will remain lies, a failure will remain a failure, an Indian will remain an Indian.
Where’s your proof of the DoDs press release? Where’s a single shred of evidence apart from the ones your Air Force drew on MS paint.

 

[adelphi]

Pakistanis seem to perform all kinds of mental gymnastics depending on the audience.

To give comfort to each other they say India didn't win war it was putting an end date to civil war.
To give hate to Bangladeshis they say that Bangladeshis would have been able to do nothing had the Indians not showed up.

Amusing.

I've stated facts unless you want to do a Bollywood item song which most Indians love to do depending on the audience.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Official Pentagon Press correspondant "invited" by Pakistan. Yes, sure. Makes sense.

who invited Christine Fair in India?
has she changed her mind to suit indian fantasy yet?

 

[BL33D]

Tsk Tsk. We didn't lose not so "Azad" Kashmir. We never had it. Ditto with Gilgit-Baltistan. 10% of Pakistan's claim on Rann of Kutch was awarded to it via a neutral tribunal. But dream on little boy. Keep surrendering, losing and keep thumping your chest. Works well for us.

Why refute if they accept Kashmir was ours before the war.