CIA declassified documents Air War 1971 - PAF v IAF

[Rafale+Meteor+Spectra]

As you are the one making those claims, IF what you say is true then it is YOUR responsibility to present the credible evidence that supports those claims.

I already provided source: Kaiser Tufails book, “In the Ring and on its Feet” [Ferozsons (Pvt) Ltd, Lahore, 2017

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I already provided source: Kaiser Tufails book, “In the Ring and on its Feet” [Ferozsons (Pvt) Ltd, Lahore, 2017

You are not providing ANY independent verification for those claims. You are expecting everyone to take your word for what you say.

 

[Cuirassier]

PAF's own Kaiser Tufail admitted in his book, of the 55 IAF aircraft lost to enemy fire only 17-18 were in air combat and only two losses were on ground, rest were all due to AAA.
Of the 18 IAF aircraft lost in air combat only 10 were fighters {rest were 5 Su-7 (no dogfight ability), 1 canberra bomber & 2 helo/ultralight}.
@TF141

Bharat Rakshak admits for 57 IAF losses to enemy action. These do not include Helos or OP aircraft. 18 in A2A - including

9 x Hunters
4 x Su-7s
1 x Canberra
1 x Alize
1 x Gnat
1 x MiG-21

37 to AAA (10 in East, 27 in West). 1 x Vampire and 1 x HF-24 lost on ground to en A2G.

 

[Cuirassier]

Bharat Rakshak admits for 57 IAF losses to enemy action. These do not include Helos or OP aircraft. 18 in A2A - including

9 x Hunters
4 x Su-7s
1 x Canberra
1 x Alize
1 x Gnat
1 x MiG-21

37 to AAA (10 in East, 27 in West). 1 x Vampire and 1 x HF-24 lost on ground to en A2G.

Sorry for the typo - it's 5 x Su-7s in A2A.

 

[PradoTLC]

Your list proves except muslim majority countries, no other nations were interested in training by PAF.

fail?

how?

we train Sri Lanka also...

Zimbabwe = also non muslim...

my list?.. this if from CIA in 1999....

v

India = that keeps getting it planes shot down... or they just crash for the heck of it..

you also how ever like 99% of indians.. are just epic failures.. who cant even get simple basic facts correct.

I already provided source: Kaiser Tufails book, “In the Ring and on its Feet” [Ferozsons (Pvt) Ltd, Lahore, 2017

show us the extract... like we all do.

it is like saying

QOUTE:

" All indian are certified idiots". : Source Pakistan Defence forum

oh wait...

my bad

that was from an indian source.... but you get the idea


PS : Rafale+Meteor+Spectra+indian pilot = Lots of PAF aces.

So what? Horrible or not,

whats that supposed to mean?... you can do what ever you want?...and consequence?.

you are such a hindu RSS

Yawn. That's a long rant. Doesn't prove anything though.

it proves you are full of crap... and even your americans pals dont buy it

Delusional to the next level. Imagine celebrating a war they lost.

nope...

celebrating we put a boot up IAF's sorry arse... as always in what ever war we fought.. heck even when PAF wasnt involved IAF still lost planes.....lol

 

[Jackdaws]

fail?

how?

we train Sri Lanka also...

Zimbabwe = also non muslim...

my list?.. this if from CIA in 1999....

v

India = that keeps getting it planes shot down... or they just crash for the heck of it..

you also how ever like 99% of indians.. are just epic failures.. who cant even get simple basic facts correct.






show us the extract... like we all do.

it is like saying

QOUTE:

" All indian are certified idiots". : Source Pakistan Defence forum

oh wait...

my bad

that was from an indian source.... but you get the idea


PS : Rafale+Meteor+Spectra+indian pilot = Lots of PAF aces.




whats that supposed to mean?... you can do what ever you want?...and consequence?.

you are such a hindu RSS




it proves you are full of crap... and even your americans pals dont buy it




nope...

celebrating we put a boot up IAF's sorry arse... as always in what ever war we fought.. heck even when PAF wasnt involved IAF still lost planes.....lol

Lol. Why wasn't PAF involved? "hey we were too scared to fly so that's a plus point". Haha. Your ability to entertain is unmatched.

 

[PradoTLC]

Lol. Why wasn't PAF involved?

wasnt need.. PA was having all the pleasure... one Mig 21, one Mig 27 two helos and one badly Jaguar limped backed to base... plus 2000+ casualties indian army suffered.

ey we were too scared to fly so that's a plus point". Haha.

scared PAF?.. no. IAF sure was as we saw post 27 Feb... running and hiding

Your ability to entertain is unmatched.

your stupidity is about the indian average.

 

[Jackdaws]

wasnt need.. PA was having all the pleasure... one Mig 21, one Mig 27 two helos and one badly Jaguar limped backed to base... plus 2000+ casualties indian army suffered.




scared PAF?.. no. IAF sure was as we saw post 27 Feb... running and hiding




your stupidity is about the indian average.

Lol. Not needed when your positions were being pounded by the IAF? Sure sure. Good thing the RAF didn't think that when the Luftwaffe was attacking.

 

[Adam_Khan]

EPIC FAIL.
Your list proves except muslim majority countries, no other nations were interested in training by PAF.


Another F-6 was also shot down by AAA on 7 Dec 71 over Marala, pilot Flt Lt Wajid Ali Khan was taken POW.


Buy Kaiser Tufails book released in 2017.

Thanks for the correction, I forgot to mention the aircraft of F/L Wajid.
F/L Afzal Jamal died in the fratricide incident,have forgotten the name of the pilot who was shot down by the Su.7 though.

Cheers

You are not providing ANY independent verification for those claims. You are expecting everyone to take your word for what you say.

Kaiser Tufail has done the most research on both wars and his book on the Air war during 1971 war is the nost authoritative account available.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Thanks for the correction, I forgot to mention the aircraft of F/L Wajid.
F/L Afzal Jamal died in the fratricide incident,have forgotten the name of the pilot who was shot down by the Su.7 though.

Cheers



Kaiser Tufail has done the most research on both wars and his book on the Air war during 1971 war is the nost authoritative account available.

Not denying that but the poster who refered to that source did not post the links to validate it nor did he cross reference the evidence. Was simply paraphrasing.

 

[undercover JIX]

wasnt need.. PA was having all the pleasure... one Mig 21, one Mig 27 two helos and one badly Jaguar limped backed to base... plus 2000+ casualties indian army suffered.




scared PAF?.. no. IAF sure was as we saw post 27 Feb... running and hiding




your stupidity is about the indian average.

he is low level troll....keeps repeating same lines over and over....replying to these trolls keep them alive...

 

[PradoTLC]

he is low level troll....keeps repeating same lines over and over....replying to these trolls keep them alive...

true... but it also shows to new viewers that what a bafoon of a outfit IAF is...

Lol. Not needed when your positions were being pounded by the IAF

you mean an attempt at pounding..?.. why do you think you lost planes.. plus the planes that had to abort due to anti air defenses..

in end of the day for 11 weeks you could not dislodge 300+ NLI troops as your army's unimaginative tactics were ineffective and it took american pressure for you to do so... as General Zinni stated

" I persuaded the Pakistani to withdraw"

 

[PradoTLC]

. Not needed when your positions were being pounded by the IAF? Sure sure. Good thing the RAF didn't think that when the Luftwaffe was attacking.

you were attacking with poor accuracy. that is why for 11 weeks you could not dislodge them

 

[Jackdaws]

you were attacking with poor accuracy. that is why for 11 weeks you could not dislodge them

Accurate enough for them to run away and seek an exit though.

 

[PradoTLC]

Accurate enough for them to run away and seek an exit though.

Err... no


Your forces were ineffective.

your army was applying straight jacket tactics against a nibble and fast adapting NLI that was able coordinate accurate artillery strikes against all assaults. It so bad for the IA that Pakistani soldiers used to bet with each other on how many Indian soldiers they were planning to kill each day.

your airforce was all show and no go. Laser guided bombs in a steep and unstable weather conditions together with sub standard training of IAF pilots meant that for 11+ weeks they had little or no impact.


In end it was your politicans that saved your sorry arse military. Ie via Americans forced PA to withdraw. This is a fact as US Zinni who brokered the negotiations with Gen Musharraf stated on record.

of course foolish the Indians never learned their lesson.

The poor accuracy of IAF was never really addressed so 20 years later on balkot we saw poor standard of IAF bombing exposed so cruelly on 26 feb ....