CIA agents raped "terrorism" suspects by shoving garden hoses up their rectums and turning on the water.

[Dalit]

Didn't IK promise he would get USA to release her?



Nope. This was nutritional support. Torture for fun would be something more, like mandatory anal swabbing for Covid.

Such detail and interest. You seem to have an awful lot of interest? Is everything okay?

Americans got some really brutal torture tactics. They developed them during the cold war under the umbrella of Alan Dulles.

CIA largely trained ISI on intelligence, for sure that ISI learnt to be dirty from CIA. But apart from that, they did not take the good part, which includes hiring young agents and allowing them a level of Freedom to operate with their mind. But nop, ISI continued to work with retired havildars and subedaars of Army for field ops and retired Cols or serving majors/cols with rogue behavior. What they wanted to develop ISI was into a thaanedaar department. A local police station kinda, which they've.

No doubt. ISI is primarly a sibling of CIA. The ISI was trained thoroughly by the Americans during the Cold War era. We all know the stories. ISI has an oversupply of boomer uncles.

 

[BHAN85]

 

[villageidiot]

It was done to save their lives, obviously.

Or you could just let them go.

 

[VCheng]

Or you could just let them go.

Not really. They have crimes to answer for.

 

[villageidiot]

Not really. They have crimes to answer for.

Was there a trial where the veracity of the allegations against them was ascertained?

 

[BHAN85]

Christian eschatology talk about chasing and harassing of Christianity believers in the end of times.

That is not happening.

But if you change Christians by Muslims (Muslims also believe in Jesus/Isa as prophet), then that's happening since USA war against terrorism after 911 self attacks.

A lot of false accusations and arbitrary detentions.

i.e: USA is acting like the Beast of bible Revelations book.

 

[flameboard]

Who cares, Guantanamo was a long time ago.. what next, Vietnam napalm atrocities, Hiroshima/Nagasaki ?

Guantanamo is still open

 

[VCheng]

Was there a trial where the veracity of the allegations against them was ascertained?

Was a court of jurisdiction determined for any of that to happen? The primary crimes and subsequent apprehensions were done other countries. The process should rightfully start there and then proceed as indicated.

Guantanamo is still open

It is in the process of shutting down as the inmates are accepted by the countries of relevance to the circumstances of each one.

 

[TheSolution]

Americans got some really brutal torture tactics. They developed them during the cold war under the umbrella of Alan Dulles.

CIA largely trained ISI on intelligence, for sure that ISI learnt to be dirty from CIA. But apart from that, they did not take the good part, which includes hiring young agents and allowing them a level of Freedom to operate with their mind. But nop, ISI continued to work with retired havildars and subedaars of Army for field ops and retired Cols or serving majors/cols with rogue behavior. What they wanted to develop ISI was into a thaanedaar department. A local police station kinda, which they've.

Nothing wrong with taking training from the best.

It's what you choose to do with it that matters.

Should Pakistan not use guns, or F-16s, or fighter jets or tanks because it's all taken from foreigners?

 

[Goritoes]

11 years works on LE, 3 years as a Military intelligence specialist mostly work in HUMINT. I can tell you outright, Torture do NOT work.

As a cop, you learn how to interrogate people, as a military intelligence officer, you learn how to work people, both of which did not involve torturing people, in fact, torture is what we are against doing, not because we don't want to hurt the detainee, but because people say anything for pain to stop. You are going to chase tail if you use torture on someone. You aren't going to get good result.

There are two ways you can get good info on something.

1.) Ask the right questions.
2.) Manipulate your subject.

As for how you can do that? That's the trade secret here.

On the other hand, do I mean torture did not happened? No, give someone enough power over someone you are ALWAYS going to see abusive behavior, be in Gitmo or local jail. Most of the time, the world demand we treat criminal better than they treated their victim, and once you know that, you wouldn't care about the people you have power over, and that's how torture started.

I understand where you are coming from, but we do have example of Abu Gharib prison and we have leaked picture, than testimonies from the detainee from Guantanamo Bay prison about the brutal torture methods that include sexual behaviors, and P1ssing on them etc. And thing is that those are things that got leaked, now its hard not to believe that there must be hundreds of black sites all over the world run by USA homeland security, CIA etc and what happens there is either classified or never came out to Public.
Humans have a tendency of putting Animals to shame when it comes to behaviors, just as a ISIS fighter behead a person on video is wrong, a innocent person tortured for years both mentally and physically is also wrong, no matter what excuse someone say, ISIS fighters claim they are doing for God, and CIA/Agencies say we are doing to for national security, In my opinion both are wrong.

 

[Big Tank]

Nothing wrong with taking training from the best.

It's what you choose to do with it that matters.

Should Pakistan not use guns, or F-16s, or fighter jets or tanks because it's all taken from foreigners?

Where did I say that taking training is wrong? But it comes at a cost, which is called compromising the men.

There could be our own training influence or at least from a country that wasn't penetrative like US is.

 

[TheSolution]

Where did I say that taking training is wrong? But it comes at a cost, which is called compromising the men.

There could be our own training influence or at least from a country that wasn't penetrative like US is.

You're right, similar happened to Afghanistan before Soviet invasion

 

[Genghis khan1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1630608490984095762

one interrogation techniques so far no one exposed:

Slow burning via room heater. Detainee were placed under direct sun in summer or hot room and than heater placed next to him. slow roast until detainee Sh!t and piss himself and begs for water.

Another method commonly used was, 50,000 volt taser to the head. Right after capture, high power tasers were use in skull bone to obtain information in the field.

It was pakistan who let this happen.

They were doing it themselves. After joint raid, They (fire) grilled one AQ guy for CIA, before officially handing him over to CIA.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Wrong title, as usual. Nutrient enemas were necessary to prevent the prisoners from the consequences of their hunger strikes. It was done to save their lives, obviously.

Read the report, they were doing it without medical reasons. Medical practice for this has long being abandoned due to injuries.

 

[jhungary]

I understand where you are coming from, but we do have example of Abu Gharib prison and we have leaked picture, than testimonies from the detainee from Guantanamo Bay prison about the brutal torture methods that include sexual behaviors, and P1ssing on them etc. And thing is that those are things that got leaked, now its hard not to believe that there must be hundreds of black sites all over the world run by USA homeland security, CIA etc and what happens there is either classified or never came out to Public.

You need to go back to the last point I raise which is this

On the other hand, do I mean torture did not happened? No, give someone enough power over someone you are ALWAYS going to see abusive behavior, be in Gitmo or local jail. Most of the time, the world demand we treat criminal better than they treated their victim, and once you know that, you wouldn't care about the people you have power over, and that's how torture started.

Torture is done mostly because people want to torture people, as I said, when you give someone power over someone or something, you are giving them something to abuse, if you are a parking enforcement officer, you get to decide who you will give your ticket to, that is something you can abuse. All the way to being a cop, you can pull over whoever you wanted and you can issue ticket to whoever you want, you bound to abuse those power.

Same goes with Abu Grarib or Gitmo, a bunch of people was tasked to imprison other, that's immense power for those people to abuse. And sadly, this always the case.

Humans have a tendency of putting Animals to shame when it comes to behaviors, just as a ISIS fighter behead a person on video is wrong, a innocent person tortured for years both mentally and physically is also wrong, no matter what excuse someone say, ISIS fighters claim they are doing for God, and CIA/Agencies say we are doing to for national security, In my opinion both are wrong.

Well, as a cop, I can never hit people, I can't remember how many times I was sitting across someone who rape a child, burn her and have that stupid smirk on his face bragging what they did, how many times I fantasize putting my weapon inside his mouth while he is talking and pull the trigger. Problem is, I can't do that, I lose my job and went to jail if I do. And he walk if he survive.

But then there are times I would use more force I should have to bring someone down, breaking a nose, splitting some lips, bruising some chest, I did that not because I need to, I did that because I wanted to, thinking about how much these people treated their victim, I don't feel bad or guilty for roughing them a little. Is it wrong? Or is it right? You be the judge.