CIA agents raped "terrorism" suspects by shoving garden hoses up their rectums and turning on the water.

[Genghis khan1]

I will let the irony of your persistence in discussing the posters and not the content of the posts speaks for itself as evidence that you have no coherent argument, or simply are intent on refusing to see reality. Luckily, removing your ignorance is not my responsibility.



Can you please send over a few of these dozen desi locals to come and help me clean my driveway of the half a foot of snow? I need to go to work.








To remain on topic, please keep in mind that 9/11 was a huge event in recent US history. The two countries most responsible for it were Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. However, given the importance of both of them to US national interests, long term changes need to be set in motion to ensure that those goals continue to be met. And here we are.

Those who wish to fixate on merely portraying USA as the great evil are only doing so to hide their own country's willing involvement in these long term changes, because the blunt truths that I continue to state are simply too uncomfortable for them to realize. Since realization of a problem is the first step in trying to solve it, Pakistan in particular continues to enlarge its own glory hole, until the inevitable rupture.

Question here isn’t the significance of event, question is obtuseness of your moral Compass . If you refuses to distinguish between good or bad, left from right, you lose any grounds for an argument.

 

[VCheng]

Question here isn’t the significance of event, question is obtuseness of your moral Campus. If you refuses to distinguish between good or bad, left from right, you lose any grounds for an argument.

It would be too easy for me to make the counterclaim that my moral campus is far better calibrated and experienced than your moral compiss, and declare victory, but there is no satisfaction in that.

The real reason is that it takes a certain level of accomplishment to begin to understand that morality belongs in the personal domain, and thus does not apply to issues of international geopolitics, where there is simply no concept of morality or ethics, only the relentless pursuit of national interests.

If you can comprehend that, then I could continue and say that USA identified what could be improved in its own responses to the interrogation of those that attacked it, so that it can be better prepared for any similar attacks in the future, if they were to occur. It did that by due process, like the investigation and the report I linked above, and the internal processes wherever needed, that have been, and are being implemented to make sure that such responses are in line with the ever improving standards that this society sets for itself. It will never be perfect, but it will continue to try and improve itself wherever possible. The topic of this thread is just one example.

CAUTION: Readers are clearly advised NOT to read what comes next unless they understand the concept of FIGURATIVE and LITERAL arguments.

As much as one could be tempted to go out and get a garden hose to clean out whatever needs to be cleaned out in this thread vigorously, but it would be more productive to make a nice cuppa tea, stoke the fireplace, sit in a comfy leather chair and finally begin reading the book that arrived a few days ago: Big Capital in an Unequal World: The Micropolitics of Wealth in Pakistan. Yes, definitely. And listen to some smooth jazz and glance at the snowflakes falling outside from time to time.

(Oh, and maybe one could go and consult a dictionary to find out whatever the hell a compass is. After all, that is how one tries to improve oneself little by little, but only those who have the desire to do so.)

 

[Abid123]

Yeah. Just the like APS atrocity in Peshawar, or the Beslan massacre in Russia or the Dunblane tragedy in Scotland? If USA is Satan for attacking itself on 9/11, then so many other countries are obviously its followers.

Not to worry, those that were responsible for the 9/11 attacks are eventually getting the justice they deserve by due processes. As will all their sympathizers. To stay on topic, that is.

Where is the evidence that Al Qaida did 9/11?

 

[VCheng]

Where is the evidence that Al Qaida did 9/11?

I think that is that thread down the hall, three doors down to the right. The 9/11 conspiracy group meets in the next building every Thurday at 12 midday, over biryani, if that is what you are looking for.

Here, improving proper supervision and implementation of interrogative techniques to improve information gathering would be a good thing to discuss. Some of it might even be useful to Pakistan.

 

[aziqbal]

why is this even surprising

they do this all the time to their own women in the Pornos

apparently because the girl consented it makes it ok

and they call it acting

 

[VCheng]

they do this all the time to their own women in the Pornos

Really? Obviously you need to consider watching some other types of pornos too. Just a suggestion.

Oh wait, did you just imply that the detainees consented to this?

apparently because the girl consented it makes it ok

 

[JackTheRipper]

This is not new,

what france did in algeria, even raped to men

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Link 3

 

[Mrc]

It was pakistan who let this happen.

Not Osama bin laden or people like of whom blew up Peshawar mosque?

 

[VCheng]

This is not new,

what france did in algeria, even raped to men

Link 1
Link 2
Link 3

Nice whataboutery, but totally irrelevant to the topic.

 

[Genghis khan1]

It would be too easy for me to make the counterclaim that my moral campus is far better calibrated and experienced than your moral compiss. and declare victory, but there is no satisfaction in that.

The real reason is that it takes a certain level of accomplishment to begin to understand that morality belongs in the personal domain, and thus does not apply to issues of international geopolitics, where there is simply no concept of morality or ethics, only the relentless pursuit of national interests.

If you can comprehend that, then I could continue and say that USA identified what could be improved in its own responses to the interrogation of those that attacked it, so that it can be better prepared for any similar attacks in the future, if they were to occur. It did that by due process, like the investigation and the report I linked above, and the internal processes wherever needed, that have been, and are being implemented to make sure that such responses are in line with the ever improving standards that this society sets for itself. It will never be perfect, but it will continue to try and improve itself wherever possible. The topic of this thread is just one example.

CAUTION: Readers are clearly advised NOT to read what comes next unless they understand the concept of FIGURATIVE and LITERAL arguments.

As much as one could be tempted to go out and get a garden hose to clean out whatever needs to be cleaned out in this thread vigorously, but it would be more productive to make a nice cuppa tea, stoke the fireplace, sit in a comfy leather chair and finally begin reading the book that arrived a few days ago: Big Capital in an Unequal World: The Micropolitics of Wealth in Pakistan. Yes, definitely. And listen to some smooth jazz and glance at the snowflakes falling outside from time to time.

(Oh, and maybe one could go and consult a dictionary to find out whatever the hell a compass is. After all, that is how one tries to improve oneself little by little, but only those who have the desire to do so.)

You can pull the smoke screen of geopolitics or play verbal judo to redefine morality, all this will not change the fact that question presented to you was very simple. Shoving another man anus with broom sticks or plastic tubes unnecessarily as describe by medical doctor to be “violent rape”. Does this thing register in your brain as torture or not?

These verbal tricks and smoke screens work in US media and politics but rest of the world can see through the BS. Case in point: After ballon incident, Chinese refuse to answer hotline calling it a gimmick and waste of their time.

Everybody is ripping you a new hole cuz now question is about your moral standing to even discuss merits of torture.

 

[VCheng]

all this will not change the fact that question presented to you was very simple.

And none of that can change the fact that this is not a simple issue which can be pontificated by posing simple binary questions.

My moral standing, or anybody else's, is simply irrelevant because such personal concepts do not apply to the topic at all, try as one might.

Case in point: After ballon incident, Chinese refuse to answer hotline calling it a gimmick and waste of their time.

ROFL. Case in point? Utterly off topic and irrelevant whattabootery.

 

[Genghis khan1]

This is not new,

what france did in algeria, even raped to men

Link 1
Link 2
Link 3

We are not implying that countries don’t torture or other countries are innocent, they don’t try to justify it by stating, that victims had a strep throat so we help him by getting rid of his pain by cutting his throat. You gotta be high level of Satanist to come up with such reason to justify your concisions. As long as you justify your concise, you will keep perpetrating evil.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Don’t confuse your mothers leisure activity with Pakistan. you were likely conceive via a glory hole, and now projecting your insecurities on others.

Show me on the doll where Pakistan touched you? Looks like you were repeatedly molested and can’t shake it off.

Pakistani people are resilient and hard working. They carry on no matter what obstacle is thrown in their way. They will rise to this occasion no matter how long it takes.

Enemies like you will never undo Pakistan no matter how much you wish for its destruction and misery on innocence living there. Kinda reminds of those Iranian dudes that refer to themselves as “Persians” and want America to invade, destroy, rape Iran because they hate the government - that’s if you actually are of Pakistani descent, which I and many on this forum sincerely doubt.

Indian, your cover is blown. POS subhuman.

I doubt he is an Indian. His English would have given him away and educated Indians abroad have better stuff to do than hanging around on this forum.

 

[VCheng]

@jaibi If you have the time to indulge me, have you watched the climactic ending of the movie "Se7en" and debated whether cold-blooded murder, which is worse than torture of course, is absolutely forbidden for an LEO from a moral standpoint? Even the Quran declares such a murder as the murder of all humanity.

(For others who may have not seen it, here is a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_(1995_film)#:~:text=Seven . The movie is regarded by many to be one of the best thriller, crime, and mystery films ever made.)

I am sure that one could come up with a few exercises relevant to the topic of this thread that would test anyone's concepts of absolute morality just as easily.

I doubt he is an Indian. His English would have given him away and educated Indians abroad have better stuff to do than hanging around on this forum.