CIA agents raped "terrorism" suspects by shoving garden hoses up their rectums and turning on the water.

[Genghis khan1]

If you don't care about the who, what, where and what they deserved or not, then why would you care about getting anyone else to admit to what you are obviously fixated immovably upon in your mind? That is utterly pointless.

It’s a simple question: Sticking a broom up detainee anus and inserting tubes without medical reason, is it torture or not. Just answer this simple question.

 

[VCheng]

Sticking a broom up detainee anus and inserting tubes without medical reason, is it torture or not.

Who are you talking about in particular and when and where did this incident happen? And who did such an act?

In general, shoving brooms up the anus is not a recognized medical procedure. Inserting tubes may or may not be an issue, but who gets to determine the process of determination of medical need and by what mechanism and supervision needs more details, obviously.

 

[villageidiot]

I asked the question first. You tell me.

I asked a question before that question you asked.
Me: Was their guilt established in a court?
You: Was there ever a court?
Me: Whose job was it to do that? Certainly, not the country that invaded Afg with half the world's armies and was taking in all those detainees, right?

What is clear is that USA came later in the process.

Right right right. Those countries just up and thought of picking up these people for shits and giggles. Not because the US wanted that.

In any case, it is up to the plaintiff to file the complaint in the appropriate venue of jurisdiction.

Wait, so the US wasn't the plaintiff?

Please see the above. If the person's own country reneges on its responsibilities to its own citizens, it is clearly not USA's fault. Your complaints should be directed at them, not USA.

Who's blaming USA? I am perfectly fine with the USA picking up their enemies anywhere across the globe. It's what any self-respecting nation would do. I even admire Mossad for that reason. They hunted Nazis across the globe.

What I find troubling is attempts to justify torture. On people held for years or even decades, without any indictment.

I would love to hear what you have to say on Abu Ghraib.

Leaving the partisanship aside, even if a detainee is determined, beyond a reasonable doubt, to be involved in activities harmful to the US (by the US govt, not the US courts, mind you), how does that waive his rights as a human and the state's responsibilities as a signatory of the UN charter?
According to BBC, around 49,000 people died in the US in 2021 due to gun related incidents. That's around 4000 per month, whereas 3000 people died in 9/11. I don't see any indignation at the NRA and it's touts in Congress. No indignation at the thousands of people going broke due to the broken healthcare system. At the hundreds of thousands living in the streets?

So, does the "everything goes" attitude only apply to a Gitmo detainee who may or may not have done the alleged crimes. Can the US not afford him human dignity while they prosecute him? Is is not a human being, different as he may be?

 

[VCheng]

I would love to hear what you have to say on Abu Ghraib.

Abu Ghraib should never have been needed, and once it did, it MUST be closed down as soon as possible. That process is well underway. Let me be very clear about this from the beginning.

so the US wasn't the plaintiff?

A plaintiff is the one complaining about something as grounds to bring out a case or a claim. USA has no complaints here as far as I can tell.

I am perfectly fine with the USA picking up their enemies anywhere across the globe.

Most detainees were not picked up by USA. USA merely agreed to accept them upon being transferred by other countries according to their own due processes as applicable.

the state's responsibilities as a signatory of the UN charter?

Which provisions of this charter are you referring to here?

 

[Englishman]

Barbaric white European fundamentalist Christians eh guys?

 

[VCheng]

Those countries just up and thought of picking up these people for shits and giggles.

Why don't you ask that question why they picked those people up in the first place?

Can the US not afford him human dignity while they prosecute him?

They are being given due process as defined for those detainees.

around 49,000 people died in the US in 2021 due to gun related incidents.

And the price of onions is rising rapidly too.

At the hundreds of thousands living in the streets?

And the price of potatoes is outrageous too.

No indignation at the thousands of people going broke due to the broken healthcare system.

Which national hockey team player drowned recently trying to seek medical care for her child? USA's? Nope.

 

[villageidiot]

Abu Ghraib should never have been needed, and once it did, it MUST be closed down as soon as possible. That process is well underway. Let me be very clear about this from the beginning.

So what makes you think what went on in Abu Ghraib doesn't happen anywhere else? The fact that we haven't seen pictures of it?

A plaintiff is the one complaining about something as grounds to bring out a case or a claim. USA has no complaints here as far as I can tell.

So, these other countries had complaints about the people held in Gitmo? And they took these people to the US for what exactly? Paryaa Panchayat ?

If the US has no complaints against Gitmo detainees, why is it holding them? Not to mention putting up with their insolence and having to give them nutrition through their rectum to keep them alive? Why did it accept them in the first place?

Most detainees were not picked up by USA. USA merely agreed to accept them upon being transferred by other countries according to their own due processes as applicable.

So, if a crime in Pakistan is a crime in Cambodia, they should just accept if we want to transfer the accused to them? All while they don't have a complaint?
If you kidnap someone and I merely accept them, does that mean only you are to be blamed?

Which provisions of this charter are you referring to here?

Idk. Thou shalt not torture? Or is that too vague for you?

 

[VCheng]

So what makes you think what went on in Abu Ghraib doesn't happen anywhere else? The fact that we haven't seen pictures of it?

What happens elsewhere is not my concern here.

If the US has no complaints against Gitmo detainees, why is it holding them?

USA is not the plaintiff here. The detainees are here for reasons communicated to USA by those who apprehended them. Better ask them that.

 

[villageidiot]

Why don't you ask that question why they picked those people up in the first place?

No thanks. If I answer that, you'll want the minutes for the meeting where the CIA station chiefs told their hosts they wanted those people picked up.

They are being given due process as defined for those detainees.

Like a process was defined for Abu Ghraib detainees?

And the price of onions is rising rapidly too.
And the price of potatoes is outrageous too.

Let's go torture some brown people, then.

Which national hockey team player drowned recently trying to seek medical care for her child? USA's? Nope.

Congratulations. You just fixed US healthcare system with that comment.

 

[VCheng]

If you kidnap someone and I merely accept them, does that mean only you are to be blamed?

Did I kidnap them? Nope.

CIA station chiefs told their hosts they wanted those people picked up

And those spineless noodles just rolled over and dropped their pants?

 

[villageidiot]

What happens elsewhere is not my concern here.

Thanks. Just what I was expecting to hear.

USA is not the plaintiff here. The detainees are here for reasons communicated to USA by those who apprehended them. Better ask them that.

Perp 1 kidnaps a child, hands her over to perp 2 based on their mutual understanding, reasons and processes clearly established and communicated by the two beforehand, and that makes it okay.

 

[VCheng]

Like a process was defined for Abu Ghraib detainees?

There is a defined process for them, yes. With legal representation and all.

Congratulations. You just fixed US healthcare system with that comment.

That's great, but it won't bring her back, will it?

 

[villageidiot]

Did I kidnap them? Nope.

Did you torture them. Yes.

And those spineless noodles just rolled over and dropped their pants?

Nazis weren't to blame because the Jews went like sheep to slaughter.

 

[VCheng]

based on their mutual understanding

LOL. Nice flights of fancy there.

Did you torture them. Yes.

Right back at you.

 

[villageidiot]

There is a defined process for them, yes. With legal representation and all.

You do know there's pictures of said process, right?

That's great, but it won't bring her back, will it?

Curious what example would you have quoted if she hadn't died in those circumstances.