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I know all this. I said 'abolishment' in a specifc sense. All this humbug is equal to 'Separate but Equal' hypocrisy. And the line is not a fine one. Let one Dalit marry a Brahmin in the village and let's see what Bajrang Dal will do.

Either You have been living under a rock with only access to PDF domain and not the world around you. Be informed on thing.

Bajrang Dal + Shiv Sena + BHP + Shriram Sene + other random Senes (that popup like irritating dandelions) are NOT an of shoot of RSS.

and RSS is not a Hindu version of The catholic Church that has one central organization as RSS. It not a monollith like my way or the highway. Even RSS is not a Deoband like organization or Taliban like organizational. I can be sure of one thing your idea of Hindu (which is colonial concept) is so minuscule that can only be observed with a microscope.
 
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Not inviting them ,IF this thread is about a Hindu officer or Hindu politician these guys will be the first to react ,Then teach us about tolerance ,secularism ,and the evil satanic RSS

add high HDI ,literacy rate
they are nothing but hypocrites and cowards of the highest order.
 
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Seriously ?

THIS is Christianity Today.

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This is Hinduism today,

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Yoga is very Christian. :D
 
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are you comparing a political party and cultural organization with a religion who dreams to convert everyone to their way of life?

Modi is a part of the government isn't he? Getting the same facilities as a senior beurocrat with a salary? As an employee of the state, he too has crossed the line hasn't he?
 
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they are nothing but hypocrites and cowards of the highest order.

Nope, they are hypocrites, but not cowards. Its people like Nair who are the true Cowards. Foolishly chanting "intolerance" in the face of massive Hindu discrimination.
 
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Modi is a part of the government isn't he? Getting the same facilities as a senior beurocrat with a salary? As an employee of the state, he too has crossed the line hasn't he?
He is Member of BJP, which formed the government. I don't know where the confusion is. Stop derailing the thread further.
 
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The Baptist Church is a lair of the terrorists.

Kerala CM is himself a Christian. An adarsh one at that.

Christianity only accepted in 2000 CE that the earth revolves round the sun. You see it took them 500 years since Copernicus told them in the 1500s. The lowly Hindus, observations by Yajnavalkya (9th Century BCE), had propagated the same thing.

One more thing the issues ailing the Hindu society are a social evils and usually end with legislations. the other ills however like in the Abrahamic faiths are theologically compelled.
 
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How the **** can a chief secretary say that he's not speaking as a chief secretary but some son of a church,absolutely ridiculous ,imagine every senior Hindu official endorsing ghar wapsi from his position,forget about the hue n cry,these same minorities will be at war with system at every level,their should be action against him..
 
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Christianity only accepted in 2000 CE that the earth revolves round the sun. You see it took them 500 years since Copernicus told them in the 1500s. The lowly Hindus, observations by Yajnavalkya (9th Century BCE), had propagated the same thing.

One more thing the issues ailing the Hindu society are a social evils and usually end with legislations. the other ills however like in the Abrahamic faiths are theologically compelled.

You are mistaken, Hindu social evils are CODIFIED and PROPAGATED by Legislation. It can never be abolished when its protected by the Constitution.

Why do you think Yadav's Vote for LALU ? or Mulayam ?
 
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This distinctions are for only you and me. You think amoing the upper castes the fine lines were discussed that way? hell the only people who knew Sanskrit were limited upper catste people. 'according to scripture each man has a role and place-inevitably determined by birth'. I wonder from which part of the body a computer scientist is supposed to be from.

Hence attack the social structure - they are external to the Shruti and Shruti commentaries (upanishads).

You can't lump Hinduism into one construct and try to bring it all down.

Tell me if any abrahamic faiths even remotely accept that elements of theirs were human made/written constructs? Everything is divinely revealed or presented as an unquestionable narrative of ultimate truth.

Hinduism never had a council of Nicaea where a consolidated censorship and narrative was established for Christianity (after witnessing how various other Monotheistic religions including Judaism were split by civil war stemming from conflicting religious interpretation of even the straight and narrow path to ultimate salvation). But that did nothing for them in the long run......though it would probably have been even worse had such things like the gospel of Judah, coptic, ethiopian and armenian versions of christianity come into contact with whatever mainstream christianity was being practiced at the time. Not to mention a massive schism in Christianity after crusaders butchered fellow Christians in Constantinople under orders from the Western pope....

I can keep going on about this, but the basic reality is that Hinduism is much more open to internal self-reform (of its dogma) than any of the abrahamic faiths and always has been. How else do you explain the rise of Puranic systems to take dominance over the earlier strict vedic based system...the clear establishment yet coexistence of dvaita and advaita and even "nastik" systems like carvaka and later Buddhism...all having their own influences back onto the parent streams as well?

Please show me which Abrahamic religion has the coexistence of polytheistic, monotheistic, monist, agnostic and even atheistic streams of philosophy?

Social constructs through conceited power structures (and the continual short-term human desire to perpetuate them) exist worldwide and flourish when there is no education. You want to know about the scavenging class and peasantry of Europe before the industrial revolution? You want me to put quotes from many European philosophers, revered today because of certain works.....as to what they wrote in other works....what they thought of lower classes and what they thought their fates should be - and how this mentality perpetuated in things like eugenics and ultimately an exceedingly abhorrent version of fascism espoused by that man with the funny moustache smack bang in the middle of the 20th century?

There is no magical perfect society when there was no massive education. It literally came down to where was the situation the most dire and pressing for revolution given the close proximity of many nation states with no big strategic depth along with massive rivalry and just enough chaos and "luck" compared to other parts of the world to forment the revolutions that would ultimately lead to mass education and liberation of society and later economic development from the rigorous hierachies imposed by monarchies and clergies before them.

So criticizing Hinduism through a biased prism of what it is as a "religion" when it really is not a religion to begin with (in the western sense of dogmatic salvation) basically opens up the debate to completely rip to shreds every other belief structure out there many magnitudes more....and I am being quite conservative here since I dont want to overstep various sensitivities present on this forum (as I have already done and got banned).

This is not the forum really for that sort of discussion to be "all out". But trust me when I say the negative labels that have been given to non-Hindus to its very fabric come from various warped perspectives made in very fragile glass houses.

We will solve our real social problems on our terms, not any other....because they do not even understand it in the first place.
 
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former jail DGP Alexander Jacob sir ,For him IPS was indian pastoral service

Do you know Melvin pauda's case ?

Nope, but I'll look it up.

Hence attack the social structure - they are external to the Shruti and Shruti commentaries (upanishads).

You can't lump Hinduism into one construct and try to bring it all down.

Tell me if any abrahamic faiths even remotely accept that elements of theirs were human made/written constructs? Everything is divinely revealed or presented as an unquestionable narrative of ultimate truth.

Hinduism never had a council of Nicaea where a consolidated censorship and narrative was established for Christianity (after witnessing how various other Monotheistic religions including Judaism were split by civil war stemming from conflicting religious interpretation of even the straight and narrow path to ultimate salvation). But that did nothing for them in the long run......though it would probably have been even worse had such things like the gospel of Judah, coptic, ethiopian and armenian versions of christianity come into contact with whatever mainstream christianity was being practiced at the time. Not to mention a massive schism in Christianity after crusaders butchered fellow Christians in Constantinople under orders from the Western pope....

I can keep going on about this, but the basic reality is that Hinduism is much more open to internal self-reform (of its dogma) than any of the abrahamic faiths and always has been (how do you explain the rise of Puranic systems to take dominance over the earlier strict vedic based system...the clear establishment yet coexistence of dvaita and advaita and even "nastik" systems like carvaka and later Buddhism...all having their own influences back onto the parent streams as well?

Please show me which Abrahamic religion has the coexistence of polytheistic, monotheistic, monist, agnostic and even atheistic streams of philosophy?

Social constructs through conceited power structures (and the continual short-term human desire to perpetuate them) exist worldwide and flourish when there is no education. You want to know about the scavenging class and peasantry of Europe before the industrial revolution? You want me to put quotes from many European philosophers, revered today because of certain works.....as to what they wrote in other works....what they thought of lower classes and what they thought their fates should be?

There is no magical perfect society when there was no massive education. It literally came down to where was the situation the most dire and pressing for revolution given the close proximity of many nation states with no big strategic depth along with massive rivalry and just enough chaos and "luck" compared to other parts of the world to forment the revolutions that would ultimately lead to mass education and liberation of society and later economic development from the rigorous hierachies imposed by monarchies and clergies before them.

So criticizing Hinduism through a biased prism of what it is as a "religion" when it really is not a religion to begin with (in the western sense of dogmatic salvation) basically opens up the debate to completely rip to shreds every other belief structure out there many magnitudes more....and I am being quite conservative here since I dont want to overstep various sensitivities present on this forum (as I have already done and got banned).

This is not the forum really for that sort of discussion to be "all out". But trust me when I say the negative labels that have been given to non-Hindus to its very fabric come from various warped perspectives made in very fragile glass houses.

Chsristians do- especially when it comes to the old testament. Over time they've whittled down references to only the 'good god', especially in mass media. Muslims don't, which is why they are not fitting into the 21st century. There are many sections of the Quran which are unacceptable- 4 wives per man etc. You can whitewash but that don't change a thing.

I wasn't saying that Hindus don't accept certain sections of the scriptures as bad. We do, which is why we're evolving. But there is a fringe that does not accept it fully. More importantly that challenging the likes of evangelicals cannot be done efffectively until sincerely remove some of the despicable practices on our side.

He is Member of BJP, which formed the government. I don't know where the confusion is. Stop derailing the thread further.

All right...I touched a nerve there :lol:....once a guy becomes a PM, he is employee of the state. He is to be led by constitution and his responsibility is for policy, cabinet secy is responsible for execution. That is the only difference. If you can allow him his rigt to bring in RSS workers, you should allow said secy to have his say too.

Either You have been living under a rock with only access to PDF domain and not the world around you. Be informed on thing.

Bajrang Dal + Shiv Sena + BHP + Shriram Sene + other random Senes (that popup like irritating dandelions) are NOT an of shoot of RSS.

and RSS is not a Hindu version of The catholic Church that has one central organization as RSS. It not a monollith like my way or the highway. Even RSS is not a Deoband like organization or Taliban like organizational. I can be sure of one thing your idea of Hindu (which is colonial concept) is so minuscule that can only be observed with a microscope.

It is not, but they are the loudest self proclaimed leaders of Hindus. As @Marxist will vouch :lol: (though lenin would have all had them lined up and shot :angel:)
 
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which one? Thomin? Or Siby? Can't be Siby- forget evangelist he's the manifestation of the devil himself walking on earth.

Not a big fan of Him ,His and RB Srikumar's (Gujarat fame) role in fabricating and torturing of Nabi naryanan (deputy director of the Liquid Propulsion Systems Centre) in ISRO spy case is unforgivable
 
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All right...I touched a nerve there :lol:....once a guy becomes a PM, he is employee of the state. He is to be led by constitution and his responsibility is for policy, cabinet secy is responsible for execution. That is the only difference. If you can allow him his rigt to bring in RSS workers, you should allow said secy to have his say too.

Are you accusing Modi of indulging in Ghar wapsi program, because this chief secy is openly supporting evangelism.
 
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