Church Should Introspect on its Mission: Jiji Thomson

[Guynextdoor2]

And then you will do your ghar wapsi?


So you want unskilled people like them to become unemployed?

'Dignity of labor'. Technically clearing nigh soil in Andhra was also 'exmployment'. It has been banned now because of it's social impact. Typical high caste logic.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

I have read the Qu'ran and am aware of the Sunnat. AR Rahman and Abdul Kalam were/are NOT Muslims in the true sense. They have both strongly violated the Tawheed. We had Islam classes unofficially. Trust me, I know what I am speaking about.

You are not the only one who has read the Quran, and I know what I am talking too.

How many "true" "Hindus" can you find in India ? That entire line of argument is nonsense. How many "christians' believe a snake told adam to eat an apple ? Does that mean they are not "true christians' ?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

'Dignity of labor'. Technically clearing nigh soil in Andhra was also 'exmployment'. It has been banned now because of it's social impact. Typical high caste logic.

So, you want them to starve with dignity? Is that what you are trying to imply?

Why?

What happened to the Affirmative action that Congress boasts about so often over the past 60 years? They did not succeed?

Nice to see you try to divide society based on caste, there. High low medium. LOL. So typical.

 

[Vyom]

Hindus, except Hindutvadis actually work towards removing inequality (and not just talk). Tell me, has RSS put out a statement that says that they prefer abolishment of caste? They will not. Because they're a product of deep roots in a dark space that is now forgotten.

It seems RSS has for your reading.

RSS for Dalit head priests in temples - The Times of India

RSS rips into ban on Dalits entering temples - The Times of India

RSS Wants No Bar for Castes -The New Indian Express

End caste discrimination and save cows: RSS’ Mohan Bhagwat | The Indian Express

‘RSS doesn’t differentiate on basis of caste or religion’ | The Indian Express

End Caste Discrimination Says RSS Chief Mohan Bhagwat

RSS's Nagpur meet decides on inclusive Hinduism as key strategy for next 3 years - timesofindia-economictimes

 

[SarthakGanguly]

You are not the only one who has read the Quran, and I know what I am talking too.

How many "true" "Hindus" can you find in India ? That entire line of argument is nonsense. How many "christians' believe a snake told adam to eat an apple ? Does that mean they are not "true christians' ?

I think you have got my point and agree with it on principle. If you have, good. If you have not, better. Let me focus my fire on the Dharmophobe for now.

It seems RSS has for your reading.

RSS for Dalit head priests in temples - The Times of India

RSS rips into ban on Dalits entering temples - The Times of India

RSS Wants No Bar for Castes -The New Indian Express

End caste discrimination and save cows: RSS’ Mohan Bhagwat | The Indian Express

‘RSS doesn’t differentiate on basis of caste or religion’ | The Indian Express

End Caste Discrimination Says RSS Chief Mohan Bhagwat

RSS's Nagpur meet decides on inclusive Hinduism as key strategy for next 3 years - timesofindia-economictimes

The exploitation of people in the name of caste is a Secular Right. ALL secular parties play one caste against another.

 

[Nilgiri]

Varna on the other hand can't be abolished. How can you abolish the diversity in society? The birth based system needs to go and RSS has repeatedly called for that, even in temples and appointment of priests.

This is essentially it.

Birth based varna is one element of a dogma that was created by human society.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

Yes very true.
Philosophy, cultural and social norms. The connotation "religion" does not capture what Hinduism essential is, since its a geographic name to being with. There is very little dogma in Hinduism.

To me religion is essentially a supernatural/faith based dogma of some kind.

A "Religion" is any belief or cultural systems that try explain existence and meaning of life.

The Philosophy is what explains it, the social norms are its practices.

 

[Nilgiri]

Varna, so beautifully whitewashed by the manusmriti is called caste system. And it is based on birth, eve today. And abolishing all reference to it is what is needed.

And you know what smriti means? It means written, not revealed. It is not accepted as absolute unquestionably infallible truth.

The path to that is given by the Shruti (Vedas) which are essentially narratives that espouse truth seeking, however it must be done.

A "Religion" is any belief or cultural systems that try explain existence and meaning of life.

The Philosophy is what explains it, the social norms are its practices.

We have slightly different definitions. But thats ok in Hinduism

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Hinduism needs to be less inclusive. We are not an island. The intolerant blatant anti Hindus (like you) should NOT be included anyway. There is little space left for reform in Hinduism. The practices differ but in the form of ideology and what is Right and Wrong - we are in tune with the Times.

Now the discipline will simply be implemented.

It does not depend on the Government. It depends on the people.

It seems RSS has for your reading.

RSS for Dalit head priests in temples - The Times of India

RSS rips into ban on Dalits entering temples - The Times of India

RSS Wants No Bar for Castes -The New Indian Express

End caste discrimination and save cows: RSS’ Mohan Bhagwat | The Indian Express

‘RSS doesn’t differentiate on basis of caste or religion’ | The Indian Express

End Caste Discrimination Says RSS Chief Mohan Bhagwat

RSS's Nagpur meet decides on inclusive Hinduism as key strategy for next 3 years - timesofindia-economictimes

I know all this. I said 'abolishment' in a specifc sense. All this humbug is equal to 'Separate but Equal' hypocrisy. And the line is not a fine one. Let one Dalit marry a Brahmin in the village and let's see what Bajrang Dal will do.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

I think you have got my point and agree with it on principle. If you have, good. If you have not, better. Let me focus my fire on the Dharmophobe for now.

That Dharmaphobe has cleverly diverted the discussion from Church to CASTE. ....... and you like a sheep is following the piper.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I know all this. I said 'abolishment' in a specifc sense. All this humbug is equal to 'Separate but Equal' hypocrisy. And the line is not a fine one. Let one Dalit marry a Brahmin in the village and let's see what Bajrang Dal will do.

Oh really?

So BD's actions defines Hinduism's equality index?

Interesting.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

And you know what smriti means? It means written, not revealed. It is not accepted as absolute unquestionably infallible truth.

The path to that is given by the Shruti (Vedas) which are essentially narratives that espouse truth seeking, however it must be done.



We have slightly different definitions. But thats ok in Hinduism

This distinctions are for only you and me. You think amoing the upper castes the fine lines were discussed that way? hell the only people who knew Sanskrit were limited upper catste people. 'according to scripture each man has a role and place-inevitably determined by birth'. I wonder from which part of the body a computer scientist is supposed to be from.

Very similar to how in Islam people try to say that 'jihad' means something else. As if the terrorists cared.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

That Dharmaphobe has cleverly diverted the discussion from Church to CASTE. ....... and you like a sheep is following the piper.

I did not feel like going into child pornography at this time.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Oh really?

So BD's actions defines Hinduism's equality index?

Interesting.

Definitely the inequality index alright.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Very similar to how in Islam people try to say that 'jihad' means something else. As if the terrorists cared.

When it comes to religious conflict, Christianity has the WORST record. And by far.

Christians have the dubious distinction of killing all - natives, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, pagans, Africans, tribals - you name it.