Church Should Introspect on its Mission: Jiji Thomson

[Nilgiri]

Chsristians do- especially when it comes to the old testament.

The old testament is accepted in Christianity to be a jewish narrative...mostly written by Moses. (at least up to exodus)

Jesus made a new pact (covenant) where the old stuff remains as "context" for reference but it has never been a massive theological imprint for traditional Christianity per se (unlike the jews). However in practice again this could be quite different (Especially if you did not like turning the other cheek as Jesus espoused, but preferred the raw emotion of the old testament god....sacking, pillaging and burning entire cities).

Even today it depends on context. Plenty of church leaders use the most emotionally charged phrases....and they are not all fringe groups like the WBC....I mean even in Catholicism there has been no new council of nicaea to purge the dubious parts of the old testament....given the precedent it would set (which would ultimately doom itself) and inconsistencies and quite possible mass resentment it would create (I doubt they could even technically do it even if they wanted to). You can only whittle away so much from something so straight and narrow to being with. So people often have to leave when things no longer make sense to them to stay on that.

This is the problem when you have only one dimension to offer, and any other dimension = straight to damnation and hell.

The reform to Christianity was imposed from the outside, by revolution, mass uprisings and outright church divisions (like how protestantism was formed) were all quite violent and bloody...and not always in the right direction (as far as humanism is concerned). Each one of these episodes were not ever 100% done cleanly either. Just look at Martin Luther's views on the jews for example. The so called rennaisance and then englightenment was again quite external to religion, in fact religion fought against both quite viciously at certain times, again when human creativity/thought/questioning exceeded what was allowed "morally".

So this "whittling down" is quite open to speculation. I see much looney hatred kind of stuff going on with various evangelical movements, and those are also the fastest growing (they are going all out in Africa as we speak to compete against Islam)....and when all else fails they indulge in a healthy amount of soul vulturing at opportune times.

Their faiths are quite extroverted in practice basically....whereas the Dharmic ones always preach balance between looking in and looking out in my opinion.

Anyways I have had enough talking about Religion for now. I would also watch what you say about Islam here.

 

[skyisthelimit]

This is called TOLERANCE by secular brigade. Of course whole knows how Christian missionaries convert people around the globe showing fear (against majority) and money power.

But when a Hindu calls for such comments, immediately we are INTOLERANT, we are HINDU talibans.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

This is called TOLERANCE by secular brigade. Of course whole knows how Christian missionaries convert people around the globe showing fear (against majority) and money power.

But when a Hindu calls for such comments, immediately we are INTOLERANT, we are HINDU talibans.

Don't you know ? Christians are always "Victims" except when they are killing Jews, Hindus, Muslims or Buddhists.

Like a Virus which invades the hosts and have the need to spread everywhere, these "victims" have the need to infect the host till the sickness become prevalent all over India.

Then India will mutate into a "modern" nation where we can Kill others with impunity.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

The old testament is accepted in Christianity to be a jewish narrative...mostly written by Moses. (at least up to exodus)

Jesus made a new pact (covenant) where the old stuff remains as "context" for reference but it has never been a massive theological imprint for traditional Christianity per se (unlike the jews). However in practice again this could be quite different (Especially if you did not like turning the other cheek as Jesus espoused, but preferred the raw emotion of the old testament god....sacking, pillaging and burning entire cities).

Even today it depends on context. Plenty of church leaders use the most emotionally charged phrases....and they are not all fringe groups like the WBC....I mean even in Catholicism there has been no new council of nicaea to purge the dubious parts of the old testament....given the precedent it would set (which would ultimately doom itself) and inconsistencies and quite possible mass resentment it would create (I doubt they could even technically do it even if they wanted to). You can only whittle away so much from something so straight and narrow to being with. So people often have to leave when things no longer make sense to them to stay on that.

This is the problem when you have only one dimension to offer, and any other dimension = straight to damnation and hell.

The reform to Christianity was imposed from the outside, by revolution, mass uprisings and outright church divisions (like how protestantism was formed) were all quite violent and bloody...and not always in the right direction (as far as humanism is concerned). Each one of these episodes were not ever 100% done cleanly either. Just look at Martin Luther's views on the jews for example. The so called rennaisance and then englightenment was again quite external to religion, in fact religion fought against both quite viciously at certain times, again when human creativity/thought/questioning exceeded what was allowed "morally".

So this "whittling down" is quite open to speculation. I see much looney hatred kind of stuff going on with various evangelical movements, and those are also the fastest growing (they are going all out in Africa as we speak to compete against Islam)....and when all else fails they indulge in a healthy amount of soul vulturing at opportune times.

Their faiths are quite extroverted in practice basically....whereas the Dharmic ones always preach balance between looking in and looking out in my opinion.

Anyways I have had enough talking about Religion for now. I would also watch what you say about Islam here.

I have never seen GND THIS SHAKEN up before.

Perhaps the trick worked. @Mamsalaphala

Attack IS the best defense.

Christians are always "Victims"

Christian evangelicals or extremists.

 

[danger007]

full retard? idiots? quite a tolerant way of replying to genuine question. Do you have any answer or are going to play the victim card by mass tagging john dayal's of PDF?

I can see who is tolerant lolz... and who is playing card... Ambika darbar Bhakt

That is not an apt argument. Church resources can remain with the church, unless it is gained in fraud. Same goes for Temples, Gurdwaras, etc. Temple money, Church money, etc etc are for the benefit of the community. They may choose to spend it anyway they deem fit.

Mostly True.

Depends on the religion.

Oh. So evangelism by Government workers is kosher? The evangelical in you is coming out loud and strong. Planning to go on a date with Sadhvi are you?

with whom sadhvi? it's better to commit suicide or reveal about my ex gf to my wife....

That is not an apt argument. Church resources can remain with the church, unless it is gained in fraud. Same goes for Temples, Gurdwaras, etc. Temple money, Church money, etc etc are for the benefit of the community. They may choose to spend it anyway they deem fit.

Mostly True.

Depends on the religion.

Oh. So evangelism by Government workers is kosher? The evangelical in you is coming out loud and strong. Planning to go on a date with Sadhvi are you?

with whom sadhvi? it's better to commit suicide or reveal about my ex gf to my wife....

 

[Mamsalaphala]

Christian evangelicals or extremists.

They are not the exception. Its an oxymoron like "moderate" muslims.

At first instance they will tell you about "caste" "toilet" and "rape".

 

[SarthakGanguly]

They are not the exception. Its and oxymoron like "moderate" muslims.

At first instance they will tell you about "caste" "toilet" and "rape".

No. There are others too. Those who are cultural Hindus/Indic.

 

[Levina]

KOTTAYAM: Chief Secretary Jiji Thomson on Thursday called upon the Church to introspect on its mission. He was delivering the keynote address on the mission of the Church at the valedictory function of the bicentenary celebrations of the Kottayam Orthodox Theological Seminary (Old seminary) here.

He also called for taking up the mission of spreading Christianity and added it was Biblically imperative to bring people unto Jesus.

Thomson, who spoke at a function being attended by Governor Justice P Sathasivam, highlighted the importance of the evangelisation mission.

Thomson began his speech by saying that he was speaking not as a Chief Secretary, but as a son of the Church.

“The ultimate mission of the Church is to spread Christianity and I am thinking of ways to fulfil this mission. There are three ways to achieve this goal, which are Church evangelisation, personal evangelisation and mass evangelisation. While mass evangelisation is being held through Bible conventions, everyone can go on the path of personal evangelisation,” he said, elaborating the term gospel as ‘go’ and ‘spell.’

When Express contacted Thomson over phone and asked whether his speech amounted to evangelisation, he said being a Christian he had the right to speak about Christianity. Replying to a question whether it is proper for him to speak about attracting people to Christianity while holding the Chief Secretary’s post, he said everyone has religious freedom and he could speak about it as a person.

“There is nothing wrong in speaking about Christianity while being a Chief Secretary,” he said.

Church Should Introspect on its Mission: Jiji Thomson -The New Indian Express

And these guys cry foul when Hindus indulge in Ghar Wapsi.

@Rain Man @HariPrasad @Echo_419 @Mike_Brando @magudi

Does that mean my status from being a half Christian/ Muslim/ Hindu will change to a full Christian soon?

 

[ranjeet]

I can see who is tolerant lolz... and who is playing card... Ambika darbar Bhakt

I asked you one simple question and instead of replying to that you got personal. Anyway sunday is almost here you can lolz and roflz after listening to this son of church.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

No. There are others too. Those who are cultural Hindus/Indic.

Yes there are. But they are not in majority. They are the one's who will not talk about Caste, Toilet and Rape. How many of them will you find ?

 

[ranjeet]

Does that mean my status from being a half Christian will change to a full Christian soon?

Didn't you read this
Hindu-Christian marriage not valid if either does not convert: Madras HC | The Indian Express

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Does that mean my status from being a half Christian will change to a full Christian soon?

No. You are an ex-Bangladeshi.

Didn't you read this
Hindu-Christian marriage not valid if either does not convert: Madras HC | The Indian Express

In the alternative, their marriage should have been registered under the Special Marriage Act, 1954, if they preferred to follow their religions without conversion. - See more at: Hindu-Christian marriage not valid if either does not convert: Madras HC | The Indian Express

The headline is very 'secular'.

 

[Levina]

Didn't you read this
Hindu-Christian marriage not valid if either does not convert: Madras HC | The Indian Express

I knew about it.
But what happens to special marriage act?

No. You are an ex-Bangladeshi.

Lol
You're more closely related to Bengal than me.

 

[ranjeet]

No. You are an ex-Bangladeshi.


In the alternative, their marriage should have been registered under the Special Marriage Act, 1954, if they preferred to follow their religions without conversion. - See more at: Hindu-Christian marriage not valid if either does not convert: Madras HC | The Indian Express

The headline is very 'secular'.

I was pulling her leg.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I was pulling her leg.

Me too.