Christians in Pakistan ordered to convert

[Awesome]

How pathetic...I spit on those terrorist, I dont care what happened to them,

Then you should spit on the terrorists wearing uniforms as well...

In Pakistan, for minorities; you gotta be kidding me. I beg to differ.

Right we are raping Christian women left and right and using them as slave labor to build the next pyramids...

In Pakistan hard luck has bestowed over the decades to many people of different communities. Majority and minority both. Its just a question of which group has a better marketing manager... I can never respect suicidal people thats why I don't support suicide bombers and nor suicide media whores like the priest. If the going got tough, he should have fought his way up. He did hurt others when he hurt Pakistan's good name.

LOL by that logic of desperation Musharraf should kill myself because he hates the MMA . MMA would then throw a one night only bhangra party.

 

[Adux]

Then you should spit on the terrorists wearing uniforms as well... .

If they deserve yes!!! all those fake killings etc. yes i do with all my heart.

Right we are raping Christian women left and right and using them as slave labor to build the next pyramids...

You havent reached there, you will. if you dont do something about your current trend,

Pakistan's good name.

At this moment there isnt such a thing, Especially when it comes to minorities.

LOL by that logic of desperation Musharraf should kill myself because he hates the MMA . MMA would then throw a one night only bhangra party.

Mushraaf alone doesnt make Pakistan nor a person like Neo. There are others , with a different prespective and they are more in number and power.

 

[Keysersoze]

To be honest Keyser, I am quite sad that a soldier like you would feel that way. You should know better

How so ? Are you not aware of winning hearts and minds? I am a realist who does not fall back into dogma that politicians do.

Please note that several terrorists are now part of the govt of northern Ireland.

And if you want to take it to another level. War is the extension of politics by another means (paraphrasing Clauswicz) and since democracy is supposed to be the will of the people (in democracy) then does that not mean that in order to make a political point you have to make it to the people?

 

[Adux]

So night clubs, schools are legitimate target, for making a political point to the people?

 

[Awesome]

If they deserve yes!!! all those fake killings etc. yes i do with all my heart.

And those rapes and tortures.

You havent reached there, you will. if you dont do something about your current trend,

We will sure... Dude we were much worse than our present standards in our recent past and we've done away with so many things. You seriously have to be a blind fool to not notice that our improvements of societal harmony have been leaps and bounds.

At this moment there isnt such a thing, Especially when it comes to minorities.

Actually we don't have a concept of minorities like India does since we do not have a problem with or for the minorities. Minorities don't get appeasements from us to keep them happy (and show it to the world) because we are horrible creatures elsewhere. Some of Musharraf's own great achievements are doing away with the religious segregation in choosing the nations leaders by introducing a joint electorate system.

Christians are big achievers within the media and have become an integral part of society in many places. This example comes from a troubled zone, where even Muslims live under similar threats.

Mushraaf alone doesnt make Pakistan nor a person like Neo. There are others and they are more in number and power.

Exactly and that's why I can give you a 100 examples of Christians progressing which belong to societal elements and not give you stupid examples of politicians like "My President is a Muslim, My falana is a Pa ji, and his mummy is a christian"... Christians form a very real and a very harmonious part of Pakistan's society.

They might have some issues on a political level, like Pak still needs to remove the limitation of a Christian (non-Muslim) becoming President, but that's just a matter of things coming to the notice for a review now. But to say that THAT would drive someone desperate enough to go suicidal and burn himself? Then you have to be as crazy as that suicidal maniac.

 

[Keysersoze]

So night clubs, schools are legitimate target, for making a political point to the people?

Do you think in a stand up war that the civilians are not a target? Ever heard of the fire bombing of Dresden? Or the bombing of Horishima and Nagasaki? Or the bombing of London earlier in the war?

It was the Kosovo campaign that made me realise this. The Serbs kept saying it was all bullshit etc etc until NATO started bombing......then they stood up and paid attention.

 

[Adux]

If reservation is appeasement, then so is Affirmative action. Funny, that you adovcate in one thread and not in other. Playing it suit your arguement. Sad.
The less said about Pakistani treatment of minorities the better.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...GLG:en&q=Pakistani+mistreatment+of+minorities

 

[Adux]

Do you think in a stand up war that the civilians are not a target? Ever heard of the fire bombing of Dresden? Or the bombing of Horishima and Nagasaki? Or the bombing of London earlier in the war?

It was the Kosovo campaign that made me realise this. The Serbs kept saying it was all bullshit etc etc until NATO started bombing......then they stood up and paid attention.

That is called War, It was between countries, and not private individuals. I dont agree with all those actions, War Crime Tribunal. Armies have the Geneva convention and the Rules of Engagement; Please state what you have been taught when you enrolled, the oath you took.Also please state what kind of Oath OBL taught his cadre. I sincerly hope you are not some terrorist sympathiser. I hope you remember what you told Lemontree, and I see you in no different eyes.

 

[Keysersoze]

If reservation is appeasement, then so is Affirmative action. Funny, that you adovcate in one thread and not in other. Playing it suit your arguement. Sad.
The less said about Pakistani treatment of minorities the better.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...GLG:en&q=Pakistani+mistreatment+of+minorities

Well as I have said before, I suggest you look to your own house before pointing out the faults in another. Neither Pak nor India have a good record.

As for the rest of the post it makes no sense. If you are referring on my comments on how to win against a insurgency then the principle is the same. You win the people over to your side (rather than the opposite)

 

[Awesome]

For India I don't even have to write "mistreatment" to dig up news articles

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-52,GGLG:en&q=Indian+minorities&btnG=Search

Try again...

 

[Keysersoze]

That is called War, It was between countries, and not private individuals. I dont agree with all those actions, War Crime Tribunal. Armies have the Geneva convention and the Rules of Engagement; Please state what you have been taught when you enrolled, the oath you took.Also please state what kind of Oath OBL taught his cadre. I sincerly hope you are not some terrorist sympathiser. I hope you remember what you told Lemontree, and I see you in no different eyes.

Well I would not use civilians as a barrier between me and harm because that would cause me to lose the conflict. The anti-insurgency forces have to win over the populace. There is merely a difference in methods, but the general principle is the same.

If you want a non south asian example I would suggest you look at "bloody sunday" It is a good example of how to prolong a conflict.

 

[Interceptor]

So you attack civilians, or even worse You lay siege to a school with 2yrolds to 13yrs olds..... Hostage's as..Kids!!!
How pathetic...I spit on those terrorist, I dont care what happened to them,

What about governments that dont allow media coverage in disputed areas. Like India does not allow the world to see what they do with 2 year olds or 12 year olds. Dont start simulating fake persona here, The Indian government is buddies with the Russians who have done messacares of the thousands in what is called a disputed area.

 

[Benny Goldenberg]

interesting comments on this thread. minorities are the scapegoats in any society, particularly ones than don't or can't "fight" back.

linking this discussion to pak defence issues, would having a "christian" army unit (similar to the british army gurkhas or bedouin units of the IDF) improve things for them in pak society?

maybe also a "khalsa" regiment of pathan sikhs or "bajrangbali" brigade of sindhi hindus?

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would the above affect the plight of christians in the arab or muslim world?

 

[Benny Goldenberg]

keysersoze, i agree when you say:

If you want a non south asian example I would suggest you look at "bloody sunday" It is a good example of how to prolong a conflict.[/QUOTE]

according to various irish republicans, bloody sunday led to a massive recruitment of volunteers. something the IRA was desperate for to raise their game against the brits. therby ensuring an even bigger military prescence in ulster (alternatively the "occupied counties").