Christian couple killed for 'desecrating Holy Quran' near Lahore: police

[Solomon2]

Pakistan Problem is more big than a person living in USA can even dreamed of ..... the day you put your feet in Pakistan you will start to realize it ...

I offer perspective from a distance with historical analogies and comparisons.

the collective problems are put a side , our country is facing other issues ...

The first Pakistani leaders - elected as Indians - were more interested in making problems than solving them, to better secure their hold on power after the split, through war and confusion. That never really has stopped, has it? Then you and your friends have to step forward and present a new paradigm for your countrymen to evaluate.

 

[rockstar08]

I offer perspective from a distance with historical analogies and comparisons.

The first Pakistani leaders - elected as Indians - were more interested in making problems than solving them, to better secure their hold on power after the split, through war and confusion. That never really has stopped, has it? Then you and your friends have to step forward and present a new paradigm for your countrymen to evaluate.

and i appreciate that sir ...

but again this is Pakistan , you cant even stand for election in city like karachi as independent ... no one is going to protect you ..
and yeah our politicians add more problems than solving it ..

 

[Solomon2]

but again this is Pakistan , you cant even stand for election in city like karachi as independent ... no one is going to protect you ..

"The system", as is, is not going to help you. MQM didn't start with a city-wide election but with a group of friends. While MQM was established as a personal dictatorship, by contrast you and your friends could run your own elections, keep anonymous ballots and honest vote-counting as a matter of high principle, and you're on your way.

 

[Jaanbaz]

No Pakistani here appears willing to organize politically to demand justice be served to the perpetrators of this deed. Why not? Is the victim always at fault? Why blame your leaders for what you yourselves are unwilling to advocate? Do you think good things happen if good people decide to hide under rocks?

Good people get shot and killed by their own body guards. Speaking for the rights of minorities in Pakistan is asking for trouble.

 

[rockstar08]

"The system", as is, is not going to help you. MQM didn't start with a city-wide election but with a group of friends. While MQM was established as a personal dictatorship, by contrast you and your friends could run your own elections, keep anonymous ballots and honest vote-counting as a matter of high principle, and you're on your way.

well than read the history of MQM , full of bloody days ..... and for argument sake suppose one would make a stand ... next day he will be found in pieces .. and if not .. the day he rise his voice anything contradicting with islam ... he will be " Wajib-ul-qatal " next day

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

brtual attack...even if they did desecrate a Quran (even IF) -- 1,000 more can be printed. No need to kill people over it - b/c murder is also blasphemy

when people get overly emotional and do such vigilante things it is not helpful at all


but of course media overlooks the good stories - like Muslims donating funds to help restore ancient historical churches or hold solidarity protests

The faith of so called sarkari Muslims is so weak that they even perceive fart danger to their religion, I am sure if you ask the b@sstards who are involved in it the basic questions about Islam they will fail.

youre right

 

[Solomon2]

Good people get shot and killed by their own body guards. Speaking for the rights of minorities in Pakistan is asking for trouble.

You may not be interested in asking for trouble, but trouble is interested in asking for you. Will your legs run to do evil or gather to make a stand?

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." - Benjamin Franklin

.. the day he rise his voice anything contradicting with islam ... he will be " Wajib-ul-qatal " next day

I'm sorry, but suggesting specific tactics and methods for protection is beyond what I can do from a distance (and since it's not my battle I'm not coming in person). What I do know is that if you're not willing to fight for freedom, then you're not going to have it. It's pure logic: if not B, then not A ≡ if A then B.

 

[Jaanbaz]

You may not be interested in asking for trouble, but trouble is interested in asking for you. Will your legs run to do evil or gather to make a stand?

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." - Benjamin Franklin

You should address to the Pakistanis belonging to the majority Sunnis. Since they hold all of the power like Army, Judiciary, Government . Coming from a small minority Sect, me or my Sect has no worldly power what so ever. If the majority of Pakistanis rise up against injustice then minorities will support our fellow Pakistanis. You can't expect people like me or Pakistani Christians or Hindus to speak in public about injustices in Pakistani society. We have families too. No one wants to see their families hunted down by a mob or gunned down in their mosques or temples.

 

[rockstar08]

You may not be interested in asking for trouble, but trouble is interested in asking for you. Will your legs run to do evil or gather to make a stand?

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." - Benjamin Franklin

I'm sorry, but suggesting specific tactics and methods for protection is beyond what I can do from a distance (and since it's not my battle I'm not coming in person). What I do know is that if you're not willing to fight for freedom, then you're not going to have it. It's pure logic: if not B, then not A ≡ if A then B.

you are right ... but in country like Pakistan .. until we have proper law and order , no one can or will make a stand .. if a person know that my murderers will be hanged than he will not that disappointed ... but in Pakistan .. everyone know that even if you give your life , nothing will change ...

 

[Solomon2]

... but in country like Pakistan .. until we have proper law and order , no one can or will make a stand ...

Stop thinking in terms of authorities who are responsible for "proper law and order". You make your own law and order on a moral and democratic basis. It's the difference between serfdom and a free people.

 

[pak-marine]

another brutal murder of minorities pakistani civil society has decided to keep its volume low over religiously sensitive issues this hypocracy is soon to reach their back yard ... do some thing or get ready to be fckd

 

[airmarshal]

Now why would a Christian couple want to desecrate the Quran in Pakistan of all places ? If somebody told me that they jumped into a boiling pot of water claiming that they would return as angels, that would make more sense to me. This defies all logic

Exactly! and that too when Christians constitute just a fraction of 3% minority.

Something else at play here. An attempt to land grabbing may be. Punjab govt has biggest land grabbers in ruling party. I cant understand why all cases of 'blasphemy' happen in Punjab? Sind and particularly Karachi has a sizable non-Muslim population, never a blasphemy case from there.

 

[rockstar08]

Stop thinking in terms of authorities who are responsible for "proper law and order". You make your own law and order on a moral and democratic basis. It's the difference between serfdom and a free people.

Sir its not 19 or 18th century ...peoples are so busy in their life and earning that they dont even care if someone died for a change ....

 

[Solomon2]

another brutal murder of minorities pakistani civil society has decided to keep its volume low over religiously sensitive issues this hypocracy is soon to reach their back yard ... do some thing or get ready to be fckd

Yep. And as near as I can tell it all goes back to, and is a consequence of, rejecting the right of Jews to re-settle and establish their own government in the land of Israel. Because the hypocrisy, the denial of rights, the rejection of truth and justice, all can be traced to that point, because that's what was needed to demean the Zionists, who have excellent cause and case for their motives and deeds and justice over the past century.

At some point you guys - if you act - are going to be accused of being secret Zionist stooges anyway. So if forty of you banded together to form your political agenda and cited Israelis and the Zionist example you would be sure to get attention if nothing else - and, I suspect, inspire hope in the hearts of the oppressed. No one can accuse you of secret leanings that you proclaim openly and the Pakistani diplomats and citizens who asked for my help can't be the only ones of like mind in the world, even if they are all in the U.S.

Sir its not 19 or 18th century ...peoples are so busy in their life and earning that they dont even care if someone died for a change ....

Americans (and before them, the Swiss) established democratic governance with much lower standards of living than Pakistanis have today. So your struggle for sustenance is no excuse: you're going to have to elevate good governance in your tree of values. Frustrating, of course, as there's usally no immediate financial benefits without corruption. But their are other rewards: the knowledge that you're serving your community and country in the great moral cause of bettering the lot of all. If successful, you'll likely earn the sort of honors money can't buy - along with calumny from your enemies.

 

[Strigon]

Need to get rid of this stupid blasphemy law asap. Anyone can accuse without any evidence and morons will still hurt people just because they can. Beat the murderers to death in return, or better yet hand them to the victim's relatives and let them decide their fate.