Chinese to overtake English as the dominant language of the internet

[harshad]

so whats the big deal here

 

[beijingwalker]

Chinese so desperate to prove to the world that they're powerful, they even resort to threads like these

This doesn't mean that your language will be dominant because you have influenced other countries like UK has with English. It just means you breed like rabbits.

Joke of a country

UK has much more people per squaremeter than China,so you might say British breed like rats.

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"Chinese to overtake English as the dominant language of the internet" This is the funniest thing that i have read for today....

and all of those reports are from western media,go google.

 

[beijingwalker]

This doesn't mean that your language will be dominant because you have influenced other countries like UK has with English. It just means you breed like rabbits.

UK has much more people per squaremeter than China,so you might say British breed like rats.

List of sovereign states and dependent territories by population density
List of sovereign states and dependent territories by population density - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ranking
China:80
UK:53

 

[wealdcn017]

dude could you pls post chinese sentence spelled in english just for fun......

刀 means knife, added a dot become 刃， means edge of knife.
止 means stop, 戈 means weapon, 武 means power, so if you can stop the war and maitain peace, you have real power.

 

[harpoon]

刀 means knife, added a dot become 刃， means edge of knife.
止 means stop, 戈 means weapon, 武 means power, so if you can stop the war and maitain peace, you have real power.

This exactly why English will be the dominating language as its far more easy to learn.

 

[wealdcn017]

This exactly why English will be the dominating language as its far more easy to learn.

engish is sound language via spelling the sound, like assembly language;
chinese is philosophy language via meaning, like C++, or java.
you can't say C++ is difficult than assembly language.

 

[beijingwalker]

This exactly why English will be the dominating language as its far more easy to learn.

Chinese charaters contain more information than English letters,a fast glance over Chinese newspaper you can generally read through all the news and reports.and texting is very popular in China because you can easily use a few Chinese charaters to convey a lot of information,but my American friends dont like texting cause a simple message will take 2 pages and very troublesome.

 

[oct605032048]

Language is just a tool to convey information. With all sorts of translation software we can translate one language into another without losing much information.
Plus nowadays more and more people outside China are learning Chinese.
The first person I talked when I flied to US at the Seattle airport was an American cashier girl, and she greeted me with Chinese when I was trying to send some postcards to home. That was a sort of suppress.

 

[manojb]

do these languages have the same words or alphabet ? In china, we speak different dialects, but write the same words.

they are all different languages , different scripts.
most of indians who cross 10th grade know at least 3 different written language. they dont sound same,write same, read same. I am fluent in 4 languages.

English world is made of only 26 characters (21 consonants + 5 vowels)
Most of indian languages are made of 40-50 characters

How much characters Chinese language have? I heard it is more complected than other languages? It takes long time for Chinese kid to master all characters? please educate us..want to hear from real chinese ..

one more thing, as long as computer hacking languages are not in chinese(or any other language) i am not worried.

 

[gambit]

Chinese charaters contain more information than English letters,a fast glance over Chinese newspaper you can generally read through all the news and reports.and texting is very popular in China because you can easily use a few Chinese charaters to convey a lot of information,but my American friends dont like texting cause a simple message will take 2 pages and very troublesome.

You need to read up on 'semiotic'...

Semiotics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Semiotics, also called semiotic studies or (in the Saussurean tradition) semiology, is the study of signs and sign processes (semiosis), indication, designation, likeness, analogy, metaphor, symbolism, signification, and communication. Semiotics is closely related to the field of linguistics, which, for its part, studies the structure and meaning of language more specifically.

Ideogrammatic languages like Chinese and Japanese are very close to symbolism. So while symbols can convey ideas quickly in a short time, when it comes to details, a symbol's inherent weakness is that it can only withstand so much additions to it before the symbol itself become indecipherable. The main reason why simple symbols are powerful is that because each symbol require the receiver to be reasonably well versed in the details of what the symbol is trying to convey in the first place.

For example...The 'skull and crossed bones' symbol. Its imagery is mysterious and visually repulsive because the items are generally associated with death. So when sea travelers encounter that symbol, the worst of humanity comes to their minds. But how many here associate the 'hourglass' symbol with the 'skull and crossed bones', as in signifying death and destruction? Not many. The 'hourglass' is far more associative to technology than the 'skull and crossed bones'. The device mean a measure of time, and when it is used to frighten people, it convey the message that a person's time on this life is running out. So if a person who has no concept of the measurement of time, the 'hourglass' as a symbol of fear, death, and destruction, is meaningless.

Ideogrammatic languages are similar in that you must modify the original ideogram (or symbol) to convey a new idea. The modification must conform to certain rules and the new symbol must have some relation to the old. Alphabets do not have that restriction. For example...Modify 'car' and you get 'ram'. The former is a man-made object. The latter is either an animal or an action. In texting, the initals 'OMG' convey an idea of being surprised, so much that one is inclined to call upon God for assistance in dealing with the shock. No different than what a symbol or an ideogram could do. The initials 'OMG' is no different than the old 'shorthand' quasi-languages that stenographers and the once professional secretaries must master. So in this case, alphabets can be just as versatile as ideogram in that both require a receiver to have foreknowledge of the idea itself before he can see a different representation of it: 'Oh My God' versus 'OMG'.

When details matter, alphabets are better suited to convey both details and the larger idea. Viet Nam abandoned the Chinese ideogram, not because the colonialist French forced it upon us but because the Vietnamese acknowledged the flexibility that alphabets have over ideograms. Keep in mind that much of Vietnam's culture have Chinese influences, including spoken and written language, for centuries. So it is absurd to think that the French can literally wipe out this one factor in a couple of generations. How many trays must a Chinese typewriter has? Ultimately, a letter in an alphabet is a symbol, but its meaning is constricted by design and the result is that the alphabet typewriter is more compact and can still convey as complex ideas as the Chinese typewriter can.

The evolution is: Pictogram (Egyptian) to Ideogram (Chinese) to Alphabet (Roman).

 

[gambit]

For the hardcore 'geeks' out there, an apt analogy is binary versus hex with the former the most simple and most flexible.

 

[wealdcn017]

You need to read up on 'semiotic'...

Semiotics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ideogrammatic languages like Chinese and Japanese are very close to symbolism. So while symbols can convey ideas quickly in a short time, when it comes to details, a symbol's inherent weakness is that it can only withstand so much additions to it before the symbol itself become indecipherable. The main reason why simple symbols are powerful is that because each symbol require the receiver to be reasonably well versed in the details of what the symbol is trying to convey in the first place.

For example...The 'skull and crossed bones' symbol. Its imagery is mysterious and visually repulsive because the items are generally associated with death. So when sea travelers encounter that symbol, the worst of humanity comes to their minds. But how many here associate the 'hourglass' symbol with the 'skull and crossed bones', as in signifying death and destruction? Not many. The 'hourglass' is far more associative to technology than the 'skull and crossed bones'. The device mean a measure of time, and when it is used to frighten people, it convey the message that a person's time on this life is running out. So if a person who has no concept of the measurement of time, the 'hourglass' as a symbol of fear, death, and destruction, is meaningless.

Ideogrammatic languages are similar in that you must modify the original ideogram (or symbol) to convey a new idea. The modification must conform to certain rules and the new symbol must have some relation to the old. Alphabets do not have that restriction. For example...Modify 'car' and you get 'ram'. The former is a man-made object. The latter is either an animal or an action. In texting, the initals 'OMG' convey an idea of being surprised, so much that one is inclined to call upon God for assistance in dealing with the shock. No different than what a symbol or an ideogram could do. The initials 'OMG' is no different than the old 'shorthand' quasi-languages that stenographers and the once professional secretaries must master. So in this case, alphabets can be just as versatile as ideogram in that both require a receiver to have foreknowledge of the idea itself before he can see a different representation of it: 'Oh My God' versus 'OMG'.

When details matter, alphabets are better suited to convey both details and the larger idea. Viet Nam abandoned the Chinese ideogram, not because the colonialist French forced it upon us but because the Vietnamese acknowledged the flexibility that alphabets have over ideograms. Keep in mind that much of Vietnam's culture have Chinese influences, including spoken and written language, for centuries. So it is absurd to think that the French can literally wipe out this one factor in a couple of generations. How many trays must a Chinese typewriter has? Ultimately, a letter in an alphabet is a symbol, but its meaning is constricted by design and the result is that the alphabet typewriter is more compact and can still convey as complex ideas as the Chinese typewriter can.

The evolution is: Pictogram (Egyptian) to Ideogram (Chinese) to Alphabet (Roman).

english and chinese are two kinds of different language.
english try to spell the sound, chinese express the phylosophy meaning.
止(zhi) means stop, 戈(ge) means weapon, 武(wu) means power, so if you can stop the war and maitain peace, you have real power.
so, english is assembly language, chinese is java. many information packed in one character. every chinese character is a project.
vietnam abandoned chinese language and learn english, becomes a failed county. even US, before 2050, half people is speaking spanish. furthermore, the american is learning chinese hard.

 

[gambit]

english and chinese are two kinds of different language.
english try to spell the sound, chinese express the phylosophy meaning.
止(zhi) means stop, 戈(ge) means weapon, 武(wu) means power, so if you can stop the war and maitain peace, you have real power.
so, english is assembly language, chinese is java. many information packed in one character. every chinese character is a project.
vietnam abandoned chinese language and learn english, becomes a failed county. even US, before 2050, half people is speaking spanish. furthermore, the american is learning chinese hard.

And China never abandoned Chinese and became a failed country as well. For how long was that?

 

[Starblazer]

You need to read up on 'semiotic'...

Semiotics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ideogrammatic languages like Chinese and Japanese are very close to symbolism. So while symbols can convey ideas quickly in a short time, when it comes to details, a symbol's inherent weakness is that it can only withstand so much additions to it before the symbol itself become indecipherable. The main reason why simple symbols are powerful is that because each symbol require the receiver to be reasonably well versed in the details of what the symbol is trying to convey in the first place.

For example...The 'skull and crossed bones' symbol. Its imagery is mysterious and visually repulsive because the items are generally associated with death. So when sea travelers encounter that symbol, the worst of humanity comes to their minds. But how many here associate the 'hourglass' symbol with the 'skull and crossed bones', as in signifying death and destruction? Not many. The 'hourglass' is far more associative to technology than the 'skull and crossed bones'. The device mean a measure of time, and when it is used to frighten people, it convey the message that a person's time on this life is running out. So if a person who has no concept of the measurement of time, the 'hourglass' as a symbol of fear, death, and destruction, is meaningless.

Ideogrammatic languages are similar in that you must modify the original ideogram (or symbol) to convey a new idea. The modification must conform to certain rules and the new symbol must have some relation to the old. Alphabets do not have that restriction. For example...Modify 'car' and you get 'ram'. The former is a man-made object. The latter is either an animal or an action. In texting, the initals 'OMG' convey an idea of being surprised, so much that one is inclined to call upon God for assistance in dealing with the shock. No different than what a symbol or an ideogram could do. The initials 'OMG' is no different than the old 'shorthand' quasi-languages that stenographers and the once professional secretaries must master. So in this case, alphabets can be just as versatile as ideogram in that both require a receiver to have foreknowledge of the idea itself before he can see a different representation of it: 'Oh My God' versus 'OMG'.

When details matter, alphabets are better suited to convey both details and the larger idea. Viet Nam abandoned the Chinese ideogram, not because the colonialist French forced it upon us but because the Vietnamese acknowledged the flexibility that alphabets have over ideograms. Keep in mind that much of Vietnam's culture have Chinese influences, including spoken and written language, for centuries. So it is absurd to think that the French can literally wipe out this one factor in a couple of generations. How many trays must a Chinese typewriter has? Ultimately, a letter in an alphabet is a symbol, but its meaning is constricted by design and the result is that the alphabet typewriter is more compact and can still convey as complex ideas as the Chinese typewriter can.

The evolution is: Pictogram (Egyptian) to Ideogram (Chinese) to Alphabet (Roman).

Chinese is a tonal language with many homophones, the problem if you try to force a Latin type of alphabet is that you'd end up with 15 words with the same spelling, which is why this form of writing never caught on in China. You'd either have to do what Japan did which is to include 2 different alphabets, even then they had to supplement their writing with Chinese characters. Or do what Vietnam did which is to create one of the ugliest languages in both the visual and audio sense, they should of just adopted French like some African countries.

 

[wealdcn017]

And China never abandoned Chinese and became a failed country as well. For how long was that?

china's bank collapsed, not american bank. chinese people opucy wall street, and arrested, not US. chinese teacher starved at home because bearu refused to give her sallary, not US teacher.