Chinese Submarines

[shuttler]

It doesn't matter, we will see the real Type 096 soon.

Yeah, the PLAN keeps the secrecy of the project really well.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yeah, the PLAN keeps the secrecy of the project really well.

JL-3 is indeed DF-41, and Type 096 can also have 16 SLBMs instead of 24.

With 16 SLBMs, it can be stealthier and have higher chance to survive, especially in China's littoral zone.

The next gen SSBN of the USN will also carry 16 SLBMs.

 

[shuttler]

JL-3 will indeed be DF-41, and Type 096 can also have 16 SLBMs instead of 24.

With 16 SLBMs, it can be stealthier and have higher chance to survive, especially in China's littoral zone.

The next gen SSBN of the USN will also carry 16 SLBMs.

Yes the shorter the submarine the lesser the chances to be detected

When JL 2 has a strike range of 14,000 km, JL 3 may have it at 20,000 km - that can post a threat to the west coast and deeper inland when fired from say Guam.

 

[Fsjal]

Yes the shorter the submarine the lesser the chances to be detected

When JL 2 has a strike range of 14,000 km, JL 3 may have it at 20,000 km - that can post a threat to the west coast and deeper inland when fired from say Guam.

I don't think JL-3 has 20,000km range. Probably 12,000km

 

[shuttler]

I don't think JL-3 has 20,000km range. Probably 12,000km

I dont know.But if JL-2 has a range of 14,000 so I would have thought the strike range should be longer for JL-3 or some other new features can be seen in JL-3

 

[Akasa]

Yes the shorter the submarine the lesser the chances to be detected

When JL 2 has a strike range of 14,000 km, JL 3 may have it at 20,000 km - that can post a threat to the west coast and deeper inland when fired from say Guam.

That 20000 km rumor is almost definitely fake. A missile like that would not fit in a submarine.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yes the shorter the submarine the lesser the chances to be detected

When JL 2 has a strike range of 14,000 km, JL 3 may have it at 20,000 km - that can post a threat to the west coast and deeper inland when fired from say Guam.

JL-2 has a range of 8000km with 2800kg of full payload, which is similar to Trident II, but it also has significantly less MIRVs, probably 3-6 MIRV warheads instead of 10-12 MIRVs.

JL-2 can also hit 12000km, but it has to reduce its payload.

JL-3 probably can also have a full payload of 2800kg, but its range has to increase to 12000km with 10-12 MIRVs in addition.

 

[shuttler]

That 20000 km rumor is almost definitely fake. A missile like that would not fit in a submarine.

better engines, lighter but stronger casing, better fuel efficiency, better explosives can trim down sizes without sacrificing power. Something to be work on in the future perhaps?

 

[Martian2]

Reuters photograph: Chinese submarine launches anti-ship missile

China's military might | Reuters.com

Photo 18/30: A missile is launched from a Chinese submarine during a China-Russia joint military exercise in eastern China's Shandong peninsula, August 23, 2005. (REUTERS/China Newsphoto)

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You're probably wondering about the identity of the anti-ship missile in the photograph above. To me, it looks like the Chinese YJ-82 anti-ship missile (aka "Chinese Exocet" or "Chinese Harpoon").

China's Eagle Strike-Eight Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles: YJ-81, YJ-82, and C802 | Defense Media Network

"China’s Eagle Strike-Eight Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles: YJ-81, YJ-82, and C802

Figure 6: Model of the YJ-82 and its submarine torpedo tube launch canister. Note the lack of a booster on this missile. (Chinese internet courtesy of Christopher P. Carlson)

It wasn’t until 2004, at the Zhuhai Airshow China exposition, that the first photo of a model YJ-82 was seen in a CPMIEC brochure. The photo showed a YJ-8 type missile, without a booster, in an unpowered capsule that is an almost exact duplicate of the U.S. Sub-Harpoon system (see Figure 6). Subsequent Internet photos of encapsulated YJ-82 missiles are consistent with the brochure model, and the length of these capsules is virtually the same as the 6.1-meter submarine-launched encapsulated Harpoon missile. Photos of actual launches show a YJ-8 type missile, sans booster, rising from the ocean surface, very similar to submarine-launched Harpoon firings."

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PLA Cruise Missiles / PLA Air - Surface Missiles

YJ-82/C-802A cruise missile at Zhuhai 2008 (image © 2009, Zhenguan Studio).

China's indigenous response to the Exocet and Harpoon lies in the YJ-8 (CSS-N-4 Sardine) family of missiles, available in ship, sub, land and air launch variants. The basic air launch rocket powered YJ-8K achieves 27 NMI (50 km) range, the improved YJ-81 cca 43 NMI (80 km), the turbojet YJ-82 (CSS-N-8 Saccade) cca 65 NMI (120 km), and the recently trialed YJ-83 variant around 135 NMI (250 km). These are the primary weapon of many PLA-N warships, and the FH-7 maritime fighter carrying four rounds. The most recent air launched variant is designated the KD-88.

Aft view of YJ-82/C-802A cruise missile at Zhuhai 2008 (image © 2009, Zhenguan Studio).

 

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[shuttler]

Source: Sina Military

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Pure beauty

Yes it is faked on a second look of it.

The wiki poto model looks like this:

so when comparing the 2, the raised silos compartment is not there in the first one.

 

[shuttler]

海军最新型039宋改柴电潜艇
PLAN's newest Type 039 Song Class upgraded diesel-electric submarine

Song class
Source: wikepedia

Yuan Class
source Wikipedia

Yuan class conventional submarie

T041 元级常规潜艇
Type 041 Yuan class conventional submarine

All Sourcees: Sina military (or stated)

 

[Broccoli]

This ONI projection from 1997 has been used a lot to show noise levels of PLAN nuclear submarines, but there is quite a lot of wrong about it, and these mistakes make me question it's accuracy.

1. Vanguard-class is a boomer not any sort of SNN.
Vanguard-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. Report claims that Trafalgar-class SNN with pumpjet propulsion and hull covered with anechoic tiles is equal to Victor III. I'd assume that British submariners who see this projection should be quite insulted.
Trafalgar-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


How is Type-093 very noisy if it's in same class with Trafalgar-class what is still used by Royal Navy? Why there hasn't been articles how noisy RN boats are? Yes, Trafalgar's are older submarines, but I bet no one would like to go against them in war situation.

 

[shuttler]

Type 095 display model

Credit: Sina military forum and fyjs.cn