Chinese police besiege town and cut of food supplies in bid to quell riots

[ashokdeiva]

Chinese Brothers, Kindly some one enlighten other bloggers on Chinas policy on procuring land for development purpose or for corporate companies.
1) Are the people from whom the land is procured is settled with the Market price of the land, or is it bought at cheaper price.
2) Are the people involving themself in protest against such land procurment?
3) What promises does the government give to the land owners from which the land is bought for private companies, do they offer job in the industry that is planned as part of the urban development programs?

I am asking these questions, because people in India too suffer these troubles, the land if procured by the governement for private owners for sure they buy from the people below the market value of the land, there is also no promise for job, compensation, etc

 

[Irfan Baloch]

wow, again this thread is turning into a comparison one. pfft

indeed

the challenge is to show who is worse and who will turn the blind eye when shown the mirror. I am sure all people here are respectible, educated and from well to do familes to have access to the net as in this part of the world many dont.
but then agian the kind of fighting I see over the threads is very disappointing.

Chinese Brothers, Kindly some one enlighten other bloggers on Chinas policy on procuring land for development purpose or for corporate companies.
1) Are the people from whom the land is procured is settled with the Market price of the land, or is it bought at cheaper price.
2) Are the people involving themself in protest against such land procurment?
3) What promises does the government give to the land owners from which the land is bought for private companies, do they offer job in the industry that is planned as part of the urban development programs?

I am asking these questions, because people in India too suffer these troubles, the land if procured by the governement for private owners for sure they buy from the people below the market value of the land, there is also no promise for job, compensation, etc

very well said

the locals always have misgivings, Naxalites in India have their issues India industrialises and exploits the natural resources that land has to offer . same is the case in Balochsitan re Pakistan and building of hydro powered dams is always controversial too

the ones making the loudest noise get what they want and can decide still to be unsatisfied and some take what the state offers.

re Pakistan jobs and good value commercial and residential plots are offered along with cash. thats what happened with hydro power projects, (Islamabad expansion) and exploration in Balochistan.

Bughtis were taking 150 vehicles every year + had jobs for hundreds in OGDC (exploration co.) along with cash payments and royalties.

 

[ashokdeiva]

indeed

the challenge is to show who is worse and who will turn the blind eye when shown the mirror. I am sure all people here are respectible, educated and from well to do familes to have access to the net as in this part of the world many dont.
but then agian the kind of fighting I see over the threads is very disappointing.

Brother have you heared about certain species of Sheeps, that do imitate the one that leads the heard, its the same here. most of the members jump on blind patriotism to save their country instead of talking on the thread and the following posts will be in direct response to that first fool.
The rest of the sheeps here in the PDF follow the same fool, I have been trying to explain them to be what they are not to get manipulated just by one single offensive post. yet i am about to see a thread that is not filled with the fighting between men of differnt country men.

 

[HongWu]

Chinese Brothers, Kindly some one enlighten other bloggers on Chinas policy on procuring land for development purpose or for corporate companies.
1) Are the people from whom the land is procured is settled with the Market price of the land, or is it bought at cheaper price.
2) Are the people involving themself in protest against such land procurment?
3) What promises does the government give to the land owners from which the land is bought for private companies, do they offer job in the industry that is planned as part of the urban development programs?

I am asking these questions, because people in India too suffer these troubles, the land if procured by the governement for private owners for sure they buy from the people below the market value of the land, there is also no promise for job, compensation, etc

Of course what's happened is illegal. Corrupt local government officials took away farmer's land without adequate compensation, so they rebel. The Chinese Communist Party is in an internal struggle to crack down on corruption. The most common is abuse of power by local governments in small villages and towns.

If this incident is true, the local government officials will be arrested or disciplined by Beijing central government. Most Chinese people would sympathize with the farmers.

 

[Nomenclature]

If this incident is true, the local government officials will be arrested or disciplined by Beijing central government. Most Chinese people would sympathize with the farmers.

I'm not sure. Most likely the central government still need to go through Guangdong provincial government to get anything done.

Anyway, it's well-known the Guangdong party secretary Wang Yang is the most liberal of China's senior leaders. A lot of pro-democracy activists will sacrifice their first-born if Wang Yang can come to power and be China's Gorbachev. Has anyone noticed half of village riots and police brutalities in China take place in Guangdong? Guess that's what happens when a liberal is in charge, law and order breaks down.

 

[ashokdeiva]

I'm not sure. Most likely the central government still need to go through Guangdong provincial government to get anything done.

Anyway, it's well-known the Guangdong party secretary Wang Yang is the most liberal of China's senior leaders. A lot of pro-democracy activists will sacrifice their first-born if Wang Yang can come to power and be China's Gorbachev. Has anyone noticed half of village riots and police brutalities in China take place in Guangdong? Guess that's what happens when a liberal is in charge, law and order breaks down.

this is not about a leader, its a flaw in every system including INdia where farming lands are forcefully taken. I am against this move.
A country like India and China can find place or is capable of building a new satilite town in remote places with good road and rail roots but instead they always eye on fertail soil which is used by farmers to make a living.

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Of course what's happened is illegal. Corrupt local government officials took away farmer's land without adequate compensation, so they rebel. The Chinese Communist Party is in an internal struggle to crack down on corruption. The most common is abuse of power by local governments in small villages and towns.

If this incident is true, the local government officials will be arrested or disciplined by Beijing central government. Most Chinese people would sympathize with the farmers.

I hope the Central government steps in and do some thing to stop the abuse on farmers. I am a farmer and I do not support the idea of procuring lands of farmers forcefully so that some corporate a$$ hole can make more $ for his pocket.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

this is not about a leader, its a flaw in every system including INdia where farming lands are forcefully taken. I am against this move.
A country like India and China can find place or is capable of building a new satilite town in remote places with good road and rail roots but instead they always eye on fertail soil which is used by farmers to make a living.

---------- Post added at 01:36 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:34 AM ----------


I hope the Central government steps in and do some thing to stop the abuse on farmers. I am a farmer and I do not support the idea of procuring lands of farmers forcefully so that some corporate a$$ hole can make more $ for his pocket.

This is not the first time riots have broken out in Shanwei.

In 2005, over a dispute about power plant pollution and land acquisition, farmers in this city rioted with Molotov cocktails, knives and bombs. They also attacked and repelled civilian police sent to calm them down, so the government was forced to send in military police. Tear gas and rubber bullets failed to disperse the protesters, and the military police were forced to barricade themselves in the control tower of the power plant.

Eventually, the military police started firing warning shots, the protesters still did not retreat, so they shot and killed 2 people.

Dongzhou protests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was another protest in 2010, but that one had a media blackout.

 

[HongWu]

I'm not sure. Most likely the central government still need to go through Guangdong provincial government to get anything done.

Anyway, it's well-known the Guangdong party secretary Wang Yang is the most liberal of China's senior leaders. A lot of pro-democracy activists will sacrifice their first-born if Wang Yang can come to power and be China's Gorbachev. Has anyone noticed half of village riots and police brutalities in China take place in Guangdong? Guess that's what happens when a liberal is in charge, law and order breaks down.

When liberals are in charge, the system serves the rich, not the common people, so party discpline breaks down. When party discpline breaks down, law and order among the common people break down too. You end up with a cold, heartless, selfish collection of individuals consumed by materialism and greed. That's why all these social problems (like the Xiao Yue Yue incident and problem with African illegals) all happen in Guangdong :Tdown:

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

you indians have a lot of nerve to be laughing at some civil unrest in China -- civil unrest takes place everywhere


hell -- if anything, you indians should be sympathetic! How many tens of thousands of poor tribal Christians in your northeast are having their lands seized? How many of them have faced discrimination, how many of them have been screwed by corporations how many of them have not even felt anything from india economic growth that it's seen the past few years?

(and i'm no marxist/socialist type -- im the complete opposite)


so you shouldnt use this as some way to take jab at China because I think a lot of countries in Asia need to revisit some of their policies and ensure that swift justice is afforded to all those who feel disenfranchised or let down.


this is where action groups, NGOs, civil society can play a good role......hopefully a free and fair media too ---and as a friend of China I would suggest to them to liberalize their media. Doesnt mean all western reporters with their agenda must come flocking in. No. But internally at least. It will make them only stronger

 

[Obambam]

you indians have a lot of nerve to be laughing at some civil unrest in China -- civil unrest takes place everywhere


hell -- if anything, you indians should be sympathetic! How many tens of thousands of poor tribal Christians in your northeast are having their lands seized? How many of them have faced discrimination, how many of them have been screwed by corporations how many of them have not even felt anything from india economic growth that it's seen the past few years?

(and i'm no marxist/socialist type -- im the complete opposite)


so you shouldnt use this as some way to take jab at China because I think a lot of countries in Asia need to revisit some of their policies and ensure that swift justice is afforded to all those who feel disenfranchised or let down.


this is where action groups, NGOs, civil society can play a good role......hopefully a free and fair media too ---and as a friend of China I would suggest to them to liberalize their media. Doesnt mean all western reporters with their agenda must come flocking in. No. But internally at least. It will make them only stronger

It is already happening, but gradually and at our own pace. It is unthinkable twenty years ago that we would have so many foreign companies, students, travelers and generate so much global interests. Looking at where we are now, I think it is a miracle. We even got given freedom which we never had back in the days, things are already changing for the better. But of course, the field is always greener on the other side and people will always want more, which is not going to happen.
China must remain firm against any pressure and continue to do what it is doing, but making sure to lose a few notch here and there along the process.

 

[JayAtl]

Basically, from the comments by the chinese we can gather that they are every bit like those who walked by the 2 year being driven over and over again. They prefer to look the other way when their citizens, innocent ones are starved to death.

Yeah we see Indians being protective , sure, but you will see many Indians who take on their govt- who would challenge and not support basically starving of an entire city. For the Chinese here , the argument is but you do it in india. No they don't, yeah there is riot control and occasional excessive force BUT they don't surround 100,000 civilians and in winter, to try to starve and freeze people to submission

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Basically, from the comments by the chinese we can gather that they are every bit like those who walked by the 2 year being driven over and over again. They prefer to look the other way when their citizens, innocent ones are starved to death.

Yeah we see Indians being protective , sure, but you will see many Indians who take on their govt- who would challenge and not support basically starving of an entire city. For the Chinese here , the argument is but you do it in india. No they don't, yeah there is riot control and occasional excessive force BUT they don't surround 100,000 civilians and in winter, to try to starve and freeze people to submission

i can see that you are a hardcore racist because all the Chinese posters here except 1 are against this government action.

 

[Lyrical Mockery]

All countries have faults. It's no use pointing out each others faults and turning a blind eye towards the faults of own country, but the faults of one's own country is most important to that person.

We should stop this mud-slinging fest here in PDF and rather discuss topics in a decent and constructive way.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I'm not sure. Most likely the central government still need to go through Guangdong provincial government to get anything done.

Anyway, it's well-known the Guangdong party secretary Wang Yang is the most liberal of China's senior leaders. A lot of pro-democracy activists will sacrifice their first-born if Wang Yang can come to power and be China's Gorbachev. Has anyone noticed half of village riots and police brutalities in China take place in Guangdong? Guess that's what happens when a liberal is in charge, law and order breaks down.

To be fair Guangdong today is far better than Guangdong before Wa ng Yan g took over and Shanwei has been a hotbed of both violent protest and police brutality for this entire decade.

I don't blame them, Guangdong is at the forefront of reform and is the one facing the storms, so to speak. There will always be conflicts.

Guizhou also has violent protests and police brutality, but the g ov ern men t there is just thugs in uniform. At least Guangdong gets things done.

 

[indushek]

you indians have a lot of nerve to be laughing at some civil unrest in China -- civil unrest takes place everywhere


hell -- if anything, you indians should be sympathetic! How many tens of thousands of poor tribal Christians in your northeast are having their lands seized? How many of them have faced discrimination, how many of them have been screwed by corporations how many of them have not even felt anything from india economic growth that it's seen the past few years?

(and i'm no marxist/socialist type -- im the complete opposite)


so you shouldnt use this as some way to take jab at China because I think a lot of countries in Asia need to revisit some of their policies and ensure that swift justice is afforded to all those who feel disenfranchised or let down.


this is where action groups, NGOs, civil society can play a good role......hopefully a free and fair media too ---and as a friend of China I would suggest to them to liberalize their media. Doesnt mean all western reporters with their agenda must come flocking in. No. But internally at least. It will make them only stronger

What are you spokes person of Chinese on PDF or the one who decided how Indians should think and write on PDF?? You are a senior member discuss on topic or if you can't leave it. If you don't like what Indians write tell the mods to ban all Indians in one go. Don't put up sign boards for Indians.

The topics used as direct frontal attacks here for trolling aren't something you are not aware of is it? i have seen the feelings you have for India or Indians many times , so don't become self righteous about how topics should be discussed.

Trolling is the eternal truth here and it happens.