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That is correct. So?
They have done no such thing. A handful of political gimmicks do not constitute "lobbying". No meaningful voice has ever come from the minorities with regards to this issue. If they want it then let them speak for it. You are not their voice.
You mean the two dozen people standing in that picture.....?
So if you really cared about 'non-Muslims', you'd be suspicious of increased alcohol production in Pakistan but something tells me yours are crocodile tears(I dont know you much but in general, folks are happy at increased alcohol production/availability in Pakistan and just use "non-Muslim" rights as a cover to not outright say it)
Well, my personal life and preferences have no baring on my arguments. I'd prefer if my arguments are answered instead of thinly veiled childish attempts at ad hominem. If you don't, it only shows the person you are.
Still, I'll tell you about myself to prove a point. Alcohol has never been unavailable around me. There is a fridge with a few bottles of beer and wine a few steps from my desk right now. Yet I've never tasted it. The government never had to stop my hand, the people around me never had to stop drinking for me, I never needed others to stop me from it. Because you see I am not an infant. And because I was brought up right, my parents did their job. I am not insecure about myself or my faith. I don't need to enforce restrictions on others' God given freedom to protect my flimsy faith.
The right to consume alcohol for a non-Muslim is a right protected under Islam. You don't get to take it away from them just because of your own misplaced insecurities and emotions.
Nonsense. Pakistan was a state founded for the Muslims of The Subcontinent. It was not formed for the Muslims of South America. It's existence is as dependent on geography as the religion. It was formed so that they could live their lives according to their belief system not that they could force everyone to live in accordance with their belief system.
Now that it does exist, it needs no excuse to exist.
Stop kidding yourself. There is no Islam in Pakistan. Our Musalmaniyat only raises its head to serve our emotional agendas. Very clear from the debate we're having.
Nonsense again. The Israeli claim on their land is based on their religion. A Pakistani does not need religion to claim his land. Pakistan's center of gravity is whatever its people choose it to be.
Pakistan is nothing like KSA....
So because Muslims botch it up for the Non-Muslims we should enforce more regulation on the Non-Muslims? Makes sense.....
You need to take your pick. 1) Do you want to ban alcohol on non-Muslims because it is Haram? Or 2) Do you want to ban alcohol because the non-Muslims want it banned?
1) You don't get to because Islam tells you that you cannot. If you still do then you are a hypocrite.
2) You don't get to because you don't get to speak on the non-Muslim's behalf. Step aside please, let them speak for themselves.
Please stop throwing nonsense around just because you feel like it.
1) In moderation, you'll be fine. The west does just fine with it.
2) Your cultural values cannot be enforced on non-Muslims according to whose cultural values it is perfectly fine to drink.
3) Your religion that you keep making an excuse of completely protects the non-Muslims' right to consume alcohol. Maybe first learn your religion yourself before enforcing it on others? If you don't then according to your religion you are a hypocrite.
And you moaned and wailed for every single one of those instances.
Yes obviously. Your excuse is analogous to "Hey, that man has excrement smeared on his face so I can have it too".
Again, these "random rules" are what your religion and common sense tell you to do. They are there to protect the minorities' rights. Removing them would be to appease the extremely uneducated majority's religious sentiments which are actually against the very religion and on a matter which has nothing to do with them.
Then get to it. Stop trying to meddle in what you have no right to.
Alcohol is haram for you not the non-Muslims. And last time I checked it was banned for you.
Yeah, for the believers. Leave the non-believers out of your beliefs. Pretty stupid to advise otherwise.
Values of bigotry, conceit, oppression, and using Islam to enforce un-Islamic laws? No thanks.
We have no Muslim identity. Had you had it, you would have known how strongly Islam protects these rights of the non-Muslims. Yours are personal self-serving emotions disguised as religious fervor.
I'd be more concerned with what the Prophet (S.A.W) has said on the matter of the non-Muslims' rights, given that you are such a mujahid in Islam's cause.
Please first educate yourself on what "whataboutsim" is before accusing others of it. Just because you heard it somewhere and it sounded cool to you does not mean that you start throwing it around willy nilly.
My argument was very clear. "Your excuse that you want to blanket ban alcohol for 'health reasons' is a lie because you have no intentions or demands to ban substances which are far worse". Also that, "your demand to ban alcohol comes from your religious sentiments not any supposed health concerns for the minorities".
ps: This is not a religious discussion. Please educate yourself on that as well.
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