Chinese daily fears India may resume nuclear tests

[pluto]

why not using simulator, instead of resuming nuke test?

 

[BigTree.CN]

Exactly. This is the point.

If the date set in NPT happened to be 1960 rather than 1970 .... there would have been only four big countries with "legal" nuclear weapons.

Would China have considered it's own weapons "illegal" too?

China had no role is setting the date to be 1960 or 1970.

Would China still have held the NPT as a Pillar of High Non-proliferation standards, if it were asked to sign the NPT as a Non-Nuclear Weapon State?

In fact, I also wonder .... will China have ever joined United Nations if it were not offered a permanent member of UN Security Council?



I think China's approach would have been:
A. Better to be outside UN, that being a less equal (than USA or anybody else).
B. Better be outside NPT than being a less equal (than NWS).

Interestingly, India has done similar to what China would have done in case of (B), but not in case of (A).
Though, it's trying to sort out (A) from within UN.

That is one reason, it has in reality already achieved a de-facto (B).
(A) would not be achieved as easily as (B).

Only losers will complain like that.

There is a reason why only the P5 are legitimate nuclear powers while others are not, it is because only the P5 managed to developed nuclear weapon before anyone else. This is a race, you fail to meet the deadline, you lose. That is what India did, it failed to detonate that nuclear bomb before the NPT was established, therefore its nuclear weapons are illegal. But China detonated that nculear bomb before NPT was established, our nuclear weapons are legal. You lag behind, you lose.

And China is one of the P5 because China fought during WW2 as an independent country while India fought as British colony. The reason why we could be an independent country despite we were invaded by so many foreign countries is that we never surrendered ourselves like India did. In one word, we earned it.

Hence such thing like NPT being established before we developed a nuclear bomb and joining UN without permanent membership won't happen to China, but happened to India.

All of these things, NPT or UNSC, may seem to be occasional to you, but are bound to happen if we take all the differences between Chinese and Indians into consideration.

 

[true_indian]

Only losers will complain like that.

There is a reason why only the P5 are legitimate nuclear powers while others are not, it is because only the P5 managed to developed nuclear weapon before anyone else. This is a race, you fail to meet the deadline, you lose. That is what India did, it failed to detonate that nuclear bomb before the NPT was established, therefore its nuclear weapons are illegal. But China detonated that nculear bomb before NPT was established, our nuclear weapons are legal. You lag behind, you lose.

And China is one of the P5 because China fought during WW2 as an independent country while India fought as British colony. The reason why we could be an independent country despite we were invaded by so many foreign countries is that we never surrendered ourselves like India did. In one word, we earned it.

Hence such thing like NPT being established before we developed a nuclear bomb and joining UN without permanent membership won't happen to China, but happened to India.

All of these things, NPT or UNSC, may seem to be occasional to you, but are bound to happen if we take all the differences between Chinese and Indians into consideration.

You are kidding me? I fail to see why Chinese are thought to have highest IQ? But the question I have is who gave these 5 countries the right to set the deadline? India certainly didn't. If you say because you are the victors of world war II, I would say go to hell. India certainly wouldn't care if you think our weapons are illegal. World is more than willing to accommodate us. Now stop whining.

 

[indushek]

Only losers will complain like that.

There is a reason why only the P5 are legitimate nuclear powers while others are not, it is because only the P5 managed to developed nuclear weapon before anyone else. This is a race, you fail to meet the deadline, you lose. That is what India did, it failed to detonate that nuclear bomb before the NPT was established, therefore its nuclear weapons are illegal. But China detonated that nculear bomb before NPT was established, our nuclear weapons are legal. You lag behind, you lose.

And China is one of the P5 because China fought during WW2 as an independent country while India fought as British colony. The reason why we could be an independent country despite we were invaded by so many foreign countries is that we never surrendered ourselves like India did. In one word, we earned it.

Hence such thing like NPT being established before we developed a nuclear bomb and joining UN without permanent membership won't happen to China, but happened to India.

All of these things, NPT or UNSC, may seem to be occasional to you, but are bound to happen if we take all the differences between Chinese and Indians into consideration.

Great elucidation by you, you can become a news reporter or Professor for sure.

The problem is we exactly don't give a $hit about what you or USA or any other freaking person on this earth says until it is good for us.

IF this was the exact reasoning that you Government follows it wouldn't have helped Pakistan nor would it have okayed the exemption to us.

Now don't go of on a tangent and bring poverty, malnutrition slums toilets into this.

Even if u do, the answer is simple and straight forward. We don't care for these kind of thoughts, preachings and sermons until it may be beneficial for us.

 

[Jade]

Nonsense...who sets the deadline?...America?

Nuclear weapons are weapons of mass destruction and a threat to human race, hence illegal(which ever country may possess)

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

And China is one of the P5 because China fought during WW2 as an independent country while India fought as British colony. The reason why we could be an independent country despite we were invaded by so many foreign countries is that we never surrendered ourselves like India did. In one word, we earned it.

China fought WW2 as an independent country but with immense US military assistance and aid.

Chiang Kai Shek was almost a stooge of the US and Mao too joined in!!

Another flight on gossamer wings of fantasy is that they never surrendered.

Manchus?

Japanese?

Germans?

Americans?

British?

Any recall of these people?

Must we open up the Pandora's Box?

 

[huzihaidao12]

China fought WW2 as an independent country but with immense US military assistance and aid.

Chiang Kai Shek was almost a stooge of the US and Mao too joined in!!

Another flight on gossamer wings of fantasy is that they never surrendered.

Manchus?

Japanese?

Germans?

Americans?

British?

Any recall of these people?

Must we open up the Pandora's Box?

At least you need to tell it what is the difference in the temporary defeat and surrender.

As for the Manchus, they all are Chinese, the other even without meaning to mention.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

At least you need to tell it what is the difference in the temporary defeat and surrender.

As for the Manchus, they all are Chinese, the other even without meaning to mention.

Read up on the Treaty of Nanjing , which ended the First Opium war . That definitely counts as a surrender.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Read up on the Treaty of Nanjing , which ended the First Opium war . That definitely counts as a surrender.

Temporary defeat, did not yield, even though we have repeatedly defeated, we do not surrender, otherwise,you think what is the Boxer Rebellion? because we do not surrender, so China is only a semi-colonial, and must not become a full colony.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

Temporary defeat, did not yield, even though we have repeatedly defeated, we do not surrender, otherwise, what do you think is the Boxer Rebellion? because we do not surrender, so China is only a semi-colonial, and must not become a full colony.

Semi-colonial I agree , but signing a treaty is a sort of surrender - and a "rebellion " also inherently implies that you were under that particular Imperialistic power's control and then you rebelled against the control so in effect it was a surrender. But regardless , it does not mean much - Imperial britain with its navy and ground forces were the strongest power during that time so its nothing to be surprised or consternated about.

However I find it surprising that some Chinese members are bragging about us ( Indians ) being fully colonized and them being semi- colonized as because they are more brave , have more self respect blah blah blah ...

In fact I even saw a Jackie Chan film in which this idea was openly propagated to score a brownie point.

The fact is India was directly under the crown because of an accident of History . China neither had the natural resources , nor the strategic location nor the immense number of military manpower during the 18th and 19th centuries -- Britain was quite content to leave China semi-colonized , but unfortunately not us. Is that a lot to brag about..?

 

[xataxsata]

why not using simulator, instead of resuming nuke test?

We are using super computers to simulate test still we need to perfect out thermonuclear and miniature nukes.

India will not test nuke till 2020 because we need not do the mistake of offending everyone and attracting obstruction in our development.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Semi-colonial I agree , but signing a treaty is a sort of surrender - and a "rebellion " also inherently implies that you were under that particular Imperialistic power's control and then you rebelled against the control so in effect it was a surrender. But regardless , it does not mean much - Imperial britain with its navy and ground forces were the strongest power during that time so its nothing to be surprised or consternated about.

However I find it surprising that some Chinese members are bragging about us ( Indians ) being fully colonized and them being semi- colonized as because they are more brave , have more self respect blah blah blah ...

In fact I even saw a Jackie Chan film in which this idea was openly propagated to score a brownie point.

The fact is India was directly under the crown because of an accident of History . China neither had the natural resources , nor the strategic location nor the immense number of military manpower during the 18th and 19th centuries -- Britain was quite content to leave China semi-colonized , but unfortunately not us. Is that a lot to brag about..?

You think Why we do not have to be a colony, the Western forces have been strong enough, the problem is not power, but we will not stop the resistance, the original intention of the West is to completely split China, but in the Boxer Rebellion, they also know that Chinese People will never yield, so keep a Chinese Government, to indirect control of the Chinese people. We must not stop the resistance, has been extended to 1949, completely clear the imperialist forces.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

At least you need to tell it what is the difference in the temporary defeat and surrender.

As for the Manchus, they all are Chinese, the other even without meaning to mention.

Of course Manchus are Chinese and so are space aliens!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Read up on the Treaty of Nanjing , which ended the First Opium war . That definitely counts as a surrender.

Nanjing did it happen?

Opium war?

Capitalist propaganda!

Semi colonalised, fully colonised.

Mao is 30% wrong and 70% right.

Typical Chinese ploy to obfuscate to 'save face'.

Even if the face is muddled with muck!

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

You think Why we do not have to be a colony, the Western forces have been strong enough, the problem is not power, but we will not stop the resistance, the original intention of the West is to completely split China, but in the Boxer Rebellion, they also know that Chinese People will never yield, so keep a Chinese Government, to indirect control of the Chinese people. We must not stop the resistance, has been extended to 1949, completely clear the imperialist forces.

Resistance has been there for every single western colonial occupation - It was there in Vietnam against the Americans , It was there in the Dutch East Indies by Indonesians , against an attempted British hegemony by the Japanese , against an attempted Japanese hegemony by Koreans etc etc..

It was there on a greater scale than any where in the world against the British by Indians since we bore the brunt of their oppression for so many more number of years .

So whats so special about Chinese resistance ?